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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 04:09 PM
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Tell Senator Obama: Hang up on Big Telecom

Tell Senator Obama: Hang up on Big Telecom



This week, Senators Dodd and Feingold won a battle in the fight to stop the FISA capitulation. In an attempt to stop retroactive telecom immunity, they delayed a vote on the bill until after the July 4th recess. This buys us more time to shore up the votes needed to defeat the bill. However, it's unlikely we'll succeed without real support from leaders in Congress, most of whom have already abandoned us.

Senator Reid caved in long ago, and Speaker Pelosi folded just last week.

There is one leader left who could make a difference and support our cause: Senator Barack Obama.

Back in December, Senator Obama's office released a statement that he "unequivocally opposes
giving retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies."1


On Wednesday, however, Obama said in a press conference that "My view on FISA has always been
that the issue of the phone companies per se is not one that overrides the security interests
of the American people."2

Senator Obama still has time to make this right, but it won't happen unless we all work together to hold him accountable.

The delay in the FISA vote gives senators a new chance to stand up for the Constitution -

- will Senator Obama stand with them? Sign this petition and urge Senator Obama to vote

his conscience and stand by his previous statement: No retroactive immunity for telecoms.

No caving on the constitution.


Sources:

1 Senator Obama's statement on retroactive immunity from December 17, 2007.
http://obama.senate.gov/press/071217-statement_from_2/

2 Video and selected text of Senator Obama's press conference from June 25, 2008.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/obama_on_fisa_telecom_immunity.php

Sign the petition



I urge you in the strongest possible language to vote no on H.R. 6304, the FISA Amendments Act of 2008, and to ask your colleagues to do so as well. This bill would expand the powers of the President while weakening the powers of the courts. It would give a blank check for President Bush to continue his warrantless wiretapping program and a get out of jail free card for the telecoms suspected of helping him illegally spy on Americans. Last December, you said you were "unequivocally opposed" to retroactive telecom immunity. For the sake of our country, stand by your previous statement. Surely, the machinations of an election year are less important than the enduring promise of the Constitution -- the civil liberties of all Americans. We need leaders who will make tough choices and do what's right. I hope you will be one of them.

I just signed a petition calling on Senator Obama to stand up for the Constitution by voting no on FISA -

- I hope you will too.

Please have a look and take action.


http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/obama_stop_fisa/?r_by=503-1649025-tS2sQ9x&rc=paste

Thanks!


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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 04:36 PM
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1. Nothing has changed since December to warrant a change
in Obamas's change to not continuing oppossing retroactive immunity to telecommunication companies. Back in December, Senator Obama's office released a statement that he "unequivocally opposes
giving retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies."1

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Misskittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 04:45 PM
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2. Done.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:59 PM
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12. Cool beans!
;)
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 04:52 PM
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3. if you calm your hysteria for a minute you'd see the bill gives civil immunity NOT criminal immunity
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 05:09 PM
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4. That is a false issue
Edited on Sat Jun-28-08 05:10 PM by bamalib
Criminal charges can't be filed by private individuals. For prosecutors to show criminal liability they would have to show intent and they can't in these cases because the companies were asked to perform the taps by the government itself.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 05:14 PM
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5. Exactly. In addition, immunity is not the only issue
http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/statements/08/06/20080625f.htm

This legislation is going to be remembered as the legislation in which Congress granted the executive branch the power to sweep up all of our international communications with very few controls or oversight.

Mr. President, I’m talking about Title I of the bill, the title that makes substantive changes to the FISA statute. I’d like to explain why I am so concerned about the new surveillance powers granted in this part of the bill, and why the modest improvements made to this part of the bill don’t go far enough.

This part of the bill has been sold to us as necessary to ensure that the government can collect communications between persons overseas without a warrant, and to ensure that the government can collect the communications of terrorists, including their communications with people in the United States. No one disagrees that the government should have this authority. But this bill goes much further, authorizing widespread surveillance involving innocent Americans – at home and abroad.

First, the FISA Amendments Act, like the Protect America Act, would authorize the government to collect all communications between the U.S. and the rest of the world. That could mean millions upon millions of communications between innocent Americans and their friends, families, or business associates overseas could legally be collected. Parents calling their kids studying abroad, emails to friends serving in Iraq – all of these communications could be collected, with absolutely no suspicion of any wrongdoing, under this legislation. In fact, the DNI even testified that this type of ‘bulk collection’ would be ‘desirable.’

The bill’s supporters like to say that the government needs additional powers to target terrorists overseas. But under this bill, the government is not limited to targeting foreigners outside the U.S. who are terrorists, or who are suspected of some wrongdoing, or who are members or agents of some foreign government or organization. In fact, the government does not even need a specific purpose for wiretapping anyone overseas. All it needs to have is a general “foreign intelligence” purpose, which is a standard so broad that it covers all international communications. That’s not just my opinion -- the DNI has testified that, under the PAA, and presumably this bill, the government could legally collect all communications between the United States and overseas. Let me repeat that: under this bill, the government can legally collect all communications – every last one – between Americans here at home and the rest of the world.



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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:55 PM
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10. You rock, PeaceNikki!!!
:yourock:

;)
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:54 PM
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9. Awe, is "hysteria" the only adjective you know?
Poor baby.... :(

Look up the word Thesaurus on google. ;)
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:11 PM
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14. That has no bearing ...

I gather from your comments in another thread you have absolutely no understanding of this issue, and this only proves it.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 05:18 PM
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6. K and rec
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:58 PM
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11. THANK YOU!!!
;:yourock:

(non 'hysterical response) Happy! :rofl:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 05:31 PM
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7. Done
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 06:59 PM
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8. .
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:10 PM
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13. HEY!
K&R! :hi: :P
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:47 PM
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15. I K&R'd you too!!!
:P

:hi:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 10:33 AM
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16. kick!!
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