I'm going to Concentrate on Slamming McCain, since so many DUers are so busy Slamming Obama!

[FrenchieCat]

It appears that John McCain is now publicly taking credit for a bill that he not only DID NOT Vote for, but that he actively campaigned against; the GI Bill.

A couple of the liberal Blogs have noted McCain's convenient lingo, but not enough of them.

We have an entire weekend to bring this Flip Flop of military magnitude to the attention of the more mainstream media.

The next important news cycle begins Monday.

McCain Flip Flops Again -- Praises GI Bill He Opposed

In today's installment of McCain vs. McCain, the "straight talker" claimed credit for passage of the 21st Century GI Bill of Rights he opposed.

When Fighting Dem Jim Webb vowed to give patriots who enlisted after 9/11 the same opportunity for a first-class education offered to the greatest generation after World War Two, McCain said NO.

When dozens of Veterans Service Organization led by Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America and VoteVets.org, and bipartisan Congressional majorities led by Fighting Dem Senator Jim Webb (D-VA), Chuck Hagel (R-NE), Senate Leader Harry Reid, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and Congressman Harry Mitchell (D-AZ), pushed to make the 21st Century GI Bill of Rights a reality, McCain said NO.

When Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton endorsed the 21st Century Bill of Rights, McCain said NO -- even going so far as to offer his own watered-down so-called substitute.

But the Fighting Dems beat back the Bush-McCain opposition, the bill sailed through the Congress and now -- rather than admit he was wrong -- McCain is claiming credit for the bill he opposed at every turn. Today in Ohio McCain said:

"I'm happy to tell you that we probably agreed to an increase in educational benefits for our veterans that not only gives them increase in their educational benefits, but if they stay in for a certain period of time than they can transfer those educational benefits to their spouses and or children."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christine-pelosi/mccain-flip-flops-again_b_109703.html

Here's the Video clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1aJGaRxDCM

Here's WSJ giving McCain Credit where there is none:

New GI Bill's Recruiting Impact Debated
By Yochi J. Dreazen and Sarah Lueck

WASHINGTON -- The government is set to offer the biggest boost to veterans' education benefits since the concept was first created after World War II. That presents the Pentagon with a pressing question: Will the offer of a free education cause it to lose more troops than it can attract?

The new incentives are part of a war-funding bill that the Senate approved Thursday and that President Bush is expected to sign into law within days. The benefits will cover the cost of a four-year public college degree for veterans who have served at least three years of active duty ...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121461476029012803.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

What does McCain mean by ‘we’?
Posted June 27th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

There was a vote last night in the Senate on the war supplemental, which included the Webb/Hagel GI Bill. The spending bill, including the expanded education benefits for veterans, passed overwhelmingly (92 to 6), and will be added to the $165 billion that the House and Senate have already approved for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The roll-call is online; every Democrat, and most Republicans, voted for the bill. John McCain, as is now common, didn’t show up for work. Barack Obama was there, and he voted for the funding.

What’s especially interesting, though, is McCain’s response to last night’s vote.

McCain, campaigning in Ohio, told voters, “I’m happy to tell you that we probably agreed to an increase in educational benefits for our veterans that not only gives them increase in their educational benefits, but if they stay in for a certain period of time than they can transfer those educational benefits to their spouses and or children. That’s a very important aspect I think of incentivizing people of staying in the military.”

Is that so. McCain is “happy” to promote a bill “we” passed to help veterans with their education benefits.

You’ve. Got. To. Be. Kidding. Me.

As regular readers no doubt recall, McCain opposed the Webb/Hagel GI Bill. He actively fought against it.

Remember this?

The Senate approved a $194.1 billion wartime spending bill Thursday that promises a greatly expanded GI education benefit for veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan…A Vietnam veteran himself, McCain has opposed Webb’s bill as overly generous to veterans at the expense of career military officers and NCOs. McCain did not return to the Capitol for Thursday’s votes…

Indeed, McCain’s opposition nearly scuttled the bill.

What’s more, when the Obama campaign began hitting McCain over this, he got pretty touchy about it.

And now he wants voters to think he supported the bill all along? That “we” — by implication, including himself — increase “educational benefits for our veterans”?

Even by McCain standards, this is pretty outrageous.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/16022.html

June 27th at 4:51PM

John McCain Disagrees With John McCain Once Again

http://blog.indecision2008.com/2008/06/27/john-mccain-disagrees-with-john-mccain-once-again/

Senate Overwhelmingly Passes GI Bill. McCain Absent. Bush Threatens Veto
Today, by an overwhelming 75-22 margin, the Senate passed the "Post-9/11 GI Bill" as part of the war supplemental funding bill. This bipartisan legislation, originally introduced by Senators Jim Webb (D-VA), Chuck Hagel (R-NE), Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), and John Warner (R-VA), is whole-heartedly endorsed by Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA), the nation's first and largest nonpartisan Iraq veterans' organization, and all the leading Veterans Service Organizations. See how every Senator voted here.

http://www.iava.org/component/option,com_/Itemid,67/option,content/task,view/id,2746/

SENATE ROLL CALL ON VOTING GI BILL.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00137

Breaking: McCain Skips Vote On 21st Century G.I. Bill

By Greg Sargent - May 22, 2008, 1:15PM
The Senate just voted to pass Jim Webb's 21st Century version of the G.I. bill, which would greatly expand educational benefits to veterans.

Guess who skipped it?

John McCain.

http://tpmelectionc entral.talkingpo intsmemo. com/2008/ 05/breaking_ mccain_skips_ vote_on.php

How about we contact General Wes Clark who will be appearing on Face the Nation tomorrow and mention this to him, in case he hadn't heard what John McCain said?

Gen. Wesley Clark http://securingamerica.com/feedback - Contact Page

What about if we contact Meet the Press? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6872152/

:shrug:

[LaurenG]

1. Thanks!

kicked and recommended. :kick:

[FrenchieCat]

2. I realize that McCain is boring, but this is ridiculous......

He has us doing his work for him, while he is being left alone. What kind of shit is that? :shrug:

[LaurenG]

6. It's pretty lame sh**, that's for sure.

I appreciate this post very much.

[wyldwolf]

3. I'm with ya! Two Clarkies - together again!

[FrenchieCat]

17. There you go!

Let get busy winning this election, instead of trying so hard to defeat ourselves.

There is no principle in losing, last I checked.

[davidinalameda]

96. make it three

Frenchie is my hero!

[Saturday]

4. Thanks for the unity title.....did you mention slamming?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6423508

[FrenchieCat]

9. I'm sure you are on that one, right?

Me, I'm on McCain's case. He's running.

[Saturday]

18. Yes I am. You better believe I'll be defending both Clinton's

from every unnecessary attack that I see here. Maybe as the winner you ought to tip toe down and wag your finger at those who once again bash anything Clinton? Oh wait, I forgot, it's OK with you if they bash anything Clinton. Only Questioning Obama is wrong.

[FrenchieCat]

22. Did you have anything to say about John McCain? Because if so,

I missed it.

[George II]

116. He/she didn't, for most here it's all about finding fault with DEMOCRATS, like Rovian plants.

[Jazzgirl]

31. What the hell are you talking about???

I am totally confused. Isn't the OP about McCain? Why are you talking the Clinton's? Maybe you need to post your own thread.

[greguganus]

42. He/She has fingerwagginitis. n/t

[Jazzgirl]

55. LOL! n/t

[papapi]

60. ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - .....

ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - ya - da - etc. etc. etc.

Were not listening,

Need I continue?

[kestrel91316]

102. Why are you opposing Obama and not McCain??

Just curious. I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable explanation.

:sarcasm:

[Patchuli]

113. You and Bill both need to get behind

the Democratic candidate, like apparently Hillary has. That is if it's party and not egos that are driving you both. If Obama offered to help the Clintons with the enormous debt they created for themselves with this campaign, then that shows a CLASS act which is not something I expect out of Bill. He has disappointed me sorely over the past few years...first with the cozying up with G.H.W. * and then with his behavior on the campaign trail. I think his mouthiness hurt his wife more than helped her. Now it's time to concentrate on taking back all the Houses, not lick ego wounds. He should thank Obama for his offer, not tell him to "kiss my ass." He's trashing his own legacy.

[hokies4ever]

65. Why do you hate threads that attack McCain?

[Lord Helmet]

5. I'll k and r this enthusiastically.

thanks

[melody]

7. Amen, Frenchie -- and thank you!!

I was amazed at the number of nasty anti-Obama headlines (whether they are 'provocative' or troll dung) today.

[havocmom]

8. Well done, FrenchieCat! Bookmarking to use against RW spam and other forum posts!

People, this is another one to keep handy! Make this a hot topic around water coolers and grocery check-out lines ;)

BE THE MEDIA!

[FrenchieCat]

13. Folks can also email those who can help give this story

the attention it deserves, but won't get unless we step up.

Keith Olbermann [e-mail]

Rachel Maddows [e-mail]

Randi Rhodes [e-mail]

Ed Schulz [e-mail]

Chris Matthews [e-mail]

Dan Abrams http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19599749/
(Fill in the "Beat the Press" feedback section in lower right column)

Stephanie Miller [e-mail]

Bob Herbert (NYT) http://www.nytimes.com/gst/emailus.html-Contact page

Gene Robinson (WAPO) [e-mail]

These folks have a public voice that can make a difference.

But if we only use our energy and enthusiasm to pan our own nominee as a project, then we don't have time for much else.

[John Q. Citizen]

10. Frenchy, so you understand. I would expect McCain to take credit for something he opposed.

It's classless and phony.

But that doesn't gut my constitution.

McCain's vote on the FISA bill, though is something that I will always hold against him. He's gutting my civil rights with that vote, he's putting the basis of Roe v Wade at risk, and he's tearing down the rule of law.

Now do you get it?

[FrenchieCat]

15. McCain will gut your constitution.......

you are looking at issues in a very narrow manner.

What you don't get is if you don't ACTIVELY work to defeat John McCain,
What Obama does won't matter.

[John Q. Citizen]

27. I can't save politicians from making dumb moves. I can try to warn them, I can

let them know that myself and a whole lot of people may be rather pissed off at them if they do something stupid, or worse.

But in the end, it's their call.

I can't throw them in jail after all. I can't put words into their mouths and make them say them.

Have you checked out this myobama group? http://my.barackobama.com/page/group/SenatorObama-PleaseVoteAgainstFISA


It's almost 2000 members strong. It was created on Thurs. evening. By mid next week, it's quite likely to be the 2nd largest group on the Obama site.

Last night our Montana Public Radio Station local news had it's regular rotating commentary, and the guest editorialist was Terry Kendrick, a local mover and shaker who works with the Dems, the Human Rights Commision, Votewr Registration Drives for low income women, etc. She basically said that her enthusiasm was turning into mush. She started out pushing for Obama but if things kept going like this, she's just going to show up and vote and that's about it. This goes to homes all over the state, because MTPR has repeaters all over the state. She mentioned 2 issues. FISA and Obama's economic advisers. Well his advisers were old news, so to speak. It was FISA that pushed her over the line to make her broadcast.

So right now, instead of putting my energies toward defeating McCain, I'm concentrating on saving Obama from himself or his handlers or whoever it was that had the brilliant idea that flip flopping on FISA was a good move, both politically and in policy terms.

[FrenchieCat]

37. Can you walk and chew gum at the same time?

This op is about McCain. Is there anything that you are going to do to get this out to the Corporate media?

Didn't think so.

As you were.

[greguganus]

43. Your post has brought some out of the woodwork. n/t

[John Q. Citizen]

47. I read about this earlier (McCain claiming credit) I was responding to your headline which

was about Obama as well.

How soon they forget.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

86. Excuse me

I appreciate your words and I am with you. It is not that I am against Obama and for McCain. I am very upset about Obama's betrayal to us. McCain is not betraying me. Obama promised to filibuster any attempt to pass this POS FISA bill. Now he is on board the GOP train to hell.

Frenchie - I feel betrayed by the man I voted for. Get it?

[FrenchieCat]

87. We know. We've heard all about it for 8 days now.

But it's about more than just you.

I'm suffering too, and you ain't helping.

[George II]

115. So? How many issues are there that are important?

And in how many has Obama "betrayed" "US" (Who T F are "us" anyway?)????

You'll be looking for decades to find a candidate that agrees with you on EVERY issue! Oh, so Obama betrayed you on the FISA bill? If you don't support him, who will win? McCAIN!!! Guess what, he didn't betray you on FISA because he supported it all the way.

Did you even BOTHER to read Obama's talk about FISA and why he felt he should support it in it's final revised version? I'll bet not. He had good, rational, and practical reasons. Give it a read.

Now, back to that three hour tour.

[elocs]

11. Here's another Rec. Let's elect Obama first, then we can pick him apart.

I'd hate to see the McCain campaign use a lot of quotes by Democrats accusing Obama of being a flip-flopper. Let's give up consuming Democrat as our main meal.

[FrenchieCat]

16. That's the problem.....and I, for one, find it selfish that we should expand

so much energy against our own, and ignoring the real villain in the wings...who is rubbing his hands together laughing at our zeal to slam our nominee for going on a week now.

[pnorman]

19. That expresses very nicely what I had been planning to say here.

n/t

pnorman

[Peacetrain]

12. Thank you and you are so on target !

I keep waiting for this generalized movement to go forward to fight the republicans..and we seem stuck in the mud spinning our wheels, splashing mud all over our canidate.. thanks for the info .. and leading the way..

[CTyankee]

14. Thank you for this. It will form the basis for my next LTTE.

Last time I wrote I got a piece of hate mail (don't ask, you don't want to know...).

I suspect that this year there will be many nodding heads when readers of the New Haven Register see my letter! I'm laughing at the sheer joy of it all...

[FrenchieCat]

36. There should be a lot more LTTE against McCain.......

than there are.

[CTyankee]

41. Actually, here in New Haven it hardly seems necessary, except to piss off the right wingers

who live like little clumps of crabgrass on our beautiful liberal, progressive lawn called New Haven. And they have been pretty silent lately, as their beloved W fades slowly into oblivion.

However, my primary care physician says he loves my LTTEs and looks forward to them. So mebbe I'll do this one for him.

Actually, no. I agree that this is an issue that deserves more, not less, media attention. If I get another piece of hate mail I'm taking it to my local police station (a woman's name attached to one of my LTTEs somehow elicited a rather nasty sexual innuendo in the anonymous hate mail I got).

[azmesa207]

20. Your going to slam

McCain .That all well and good but when Obama makes as big a political mistake as he has done by supporting the new FISA Bill after he said he would filibuster it and condemned Bush for using warrant less spying and giving Tel Com companies protection from civil and criminal suits is as big a political flip flop he could have made . The republican are attacking him on it already if this continues he will blow this election just like Kerry did . Not only that but its a slap in the face to the people that supported him because they felt he would not cave in to the republican and bow down to there every wish .

[FrenchieCat]

21. You should do what turns you on......

just like this poster has:

Once again, a choice between bad and worse
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6423584

Now, that poster is stating that he won't vote for OBama.

So why don't you join him on that thread and continue your show?

This thread is about slamning John McCain, and I don't see a contribution from you on this.

The only political mistakes being made are from those who believe they know better what needs to be done, but at the same time, have never run for national office before and don't really know what they are talking about in terms of political consequences.

Obama is the one who won the primaries....but somehow, it is you who believes to know how to win elections. How is that?

I think that you are helping defeat our Nominee; that's what I think.

[Cha]

25. Thanks Frenchie..I just

alerted on that OP. I'm getting pissed at all the rule breakers allowed to be on this board.

We have work to do.

[Jazzgirl]

32. I had alerted on that OP too zidzi.

It was disgusting.

[Cha]

33. Good, thanks,

Jazzgirl!

[FrenchieCat]

68. That poster got a granite cookie......

[Cha]

98. I was hoping that would be

the news! :thumbsup: I tell ya it takes constant vigilance around here.

[rebel with a cause]

85. I alerted on several people last week who were breaking the

rules about what they were saying about Obama and what they were advocating. I have been sick in bed for a week sick, but when I would get up for a few minutes to check in, there they would still be here, posting the same things. So I hope you have better luck with your alerts. As for me, I don't know how long I can keep coming here with this stuff going on, especially with my illness. Like Frenchie Cat and several others of you, I want to get down to attacking the opponent and his party. I am not into taking down my own or continuing the Clinton vs Obama theme that some are determined to continue pushing.

I'm tired of the media kissing mccain's behind while making snide remarks about Obama. I am tired of coming here to find thread after tread attacking Obama. I got tired the other day of the the talking heads tearing apart the Obama/Clinton unity rally. I got tired of hearing them ask where Bill Clinton was. I wanted to scream at the tv that he was in Africa with a lot of other people celebrating Mandela's brithday. I am already tired of all this stuff, but then I am just sick and tired anyway. Maybe when I feel better physically, I'll be able to deal with this kind of crap.

[DevonRex]

23. McCain is absolutely disgusting. He got all his education free.

Yet he doesn't want the GIs now to receive the same benefits. He's an evil asshole.

Thanks Frenchie. K&R.

[crankychatter]

24. another "Grand Slam" from Frenchie - k/r - NT

[cbc5g]

26. Another great post K&R

[trixie]

28. EXCELLENT!

I agree and want to add that his tv ad is laughable. Having the word peace anywhere in an ad for his is stupid.

[Major Hogwash]

29. The people that defend McCain here make me sick.

They have no idea what the hell they are talking about.

McCain has voted against the last 9 or 10 veterans bills.
He didn't even show up to vote against this one.

And then they wonder why veterans can't stand that piece of shit.

[FrenchieCat]

71. Perhaps, if he was a Democrat, then even how he scratch his face

would be fodder. right? :shrug:

[nc4bo]

30. Thank you for doing all this work. I'm all over this too! n/t

[Spazito]

34. Kick

:kick:

(already recommended)

[FrenchieCat]

35. If we could capture the energy that ignites that passion against Obama FISA decision

and bottle it to give to those who want to fight against McCain, but find it boring.

[phrigndumass]

38. Maybe we should be more "concerned" about McCain's oncoming Alzheimer's

than tearing down our own candidate. K/R ... Let Obama Win!

I left a note at WesPAC. McCain will need a wet nurse by the time we get through with him!

[Catchawave]

39. Slamming Obama ?

I see questions. I see issues. I don't see slamming?

It's very important to know the difference, or the Dems step on their johnsons again (h/t mudcat).

So, where do I find the "DUnity" room :silly:

[FrenchieCat]

44. Did you have anything to say about my McCain post,

and or did you even bother to read it?

Please continue on to another thread. We here are busy writing and shit, so that we can elect a Democratic President.


Bout you? :shrug:
















Didn't think so.

[Catchawave]

46. Jus'saying....

I don't notice "Obama slamming" on DU. Your McCain stuff is old news, we all know about that, right?

Rather see DU take a more pro-active unity position, than the poo-poo, ca-ca stuff like this.

How else do you win crossover and independent voters?

:shrug:

[FrenchieCat]

53. So McCain actions are poo-poo and ca-ca old news

not worth discussing? thanks for confirming who's side you are on, although some had already figured.

[John Q. Citizen]

49. See, your headline is causing your own distraction. If you can't accept responsibilty for that,

I'm not sure what to say.

So I will depart your thread and figure it's your problem and your will either figure it out or you won't.

Bye!

[FrenchieCat]

54. Again, you make no mention of McCain........

How odd. :shrug:

[midnight]

40. Thank you Senator Obama for voting for this bill to

give our Veterans a world class education, and help them integrate into a better life.

[jeff30997]

45. K&R! I'm with you:

McSame is the enemy dammit!

[madrchsod]

48. he can`t even find his nose

to pick it......:rofl:



thanks for the picture Stephanie... :hi:

[understandinglife]

50. Recommended. Thank you.

Peace,
Bob

[mzmolly]

51. K and

R :kick:

[TBF]

52. Does McCain even know what day it is anymore?

He seems incredibly confused about his position on, oh, just about everything.

[Major Hogwash]

56. People serving in the National Guard aren't even supposed to be deployed overseas!

Most of them joined to protect Americans while serving in America.

Tell that to John "Fucking Insane" McCain.

He's a piece of shit.

[Major Hogwash]

57. Most of the chickenhawks in Congress know that McCain is full of shit.

That's why they aren't running for re-election as Republicans this year.

The internal memo that was leaked yesterday told them to distance themselves from the Republican party.
Why?
Because the Republican party is dead!!

[Major Hogwash]

58. McCain is a cocksucking piece of dawg shit.

I don't think there will be any disagreements here about that!!

[FrenchieCat]

72. Flattery will get you nowhere!

:rofl:

[mrs_p]

59. k&r - whewhew

i missed so much between heading out to the brew fest and returning home that there is actually an anti-mccain thread on DU!! thanks frenchie cat!!

note of interest.... while leaving the brew fest we were in front of a bunch of "cowboy" frat boys, who, of course, were completely sh**faced, and one of these young gentlemen, was saying he was a republican but he was sick of mccain - then he started yelling "i'm so sick of mccain" over and over again.

glimmer of hope?

[FrenchieCat]

69. Sounds good to me.

in fact, it sounds hilarious! Lol!

[rucognizant]

109. I don't think so..........

I just had lunch with a friend. We talked with the couple at the next table, ( a lovely conversation) who were up from Houston to make settlement on the old family house, but keeping the camp by the lake. ( The Father had died.)
My friend asked about their careers ( keeping them in Houston instead of occupying the house in Maine)
The wife worked for Exon Mobile, and started justifying how nice those guys were to work for, what great environmentalists they were what wonderful safeguards they had to avoid spillage, ( Exon Valdeze right?)
No she didn't think much of Bush; No she wouldn't vote for MccCaine either because he was a ...........
drum roll "Democrat"! A look of distaste, on her face..............
That;s when I started yelling and waving my arms!
They'ere hopeless and COMFORTABLE!

[papapi]

61. Thanks FrenchieCat. And now he can't pay his taxes on time.....

should be a great Monday news cycle . . .
or a full blown exposé of the M$M if they choose not to cover these issues.

[FrenchieCat]

63. It could be a great news cycle, if we acted like we cared more,

but many don't seem to give a shit about McCain....which is how he could win...by flying under the radar.

I expressed my sentiments on that here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6424302

[Eyes_wide_ open]

80. It could be a great news cycle, if we acted like we cared more

I could not agree more about that, lots of ammunition ... really GOOD ammo. That the bad guys are making it so easy should not be boring to anybody really concerned about getting our candidate elected. It really rather excites me as a point in fact.

I'm in. You can count on me to help any way I can. I'm a bit new to this "working from within" a party stuff and appreciate any pointers on how to use the info other than just sharing it with people I know. I also could use a little help with some terminology and abbreviations around here that I'm not familiar with although I'm starting to figure it out I think for instance

OP is original post?
Kick means posting to OP so it goes to the top?
Rec meaning Recommend as per the button I'm not allowed to use yet?
n/t ???

There's been more I can't seem to recall right off, is there a post or a forum somewhere one of you might direct me to? I'd be grateful, I'm really not looking to be off topic.

Great post. I want to fight the bad guys too.

[FrenchieCat]

84. n/t - No text

You'll get it.

Enjoy yourself.

It's quite the jungle.

[George II]

118. Newsweek RAISED the non-payment issue. Aren't they "MSM?

[Scurrilous]

62. K & R

:thumbsup:

[DallasNE]

64. McCain Is Shameless

He must be a Republican. And Karl Rove must be advising him.

Little does he realize how much this makes it look like the only thing he is doing is running for a 3rd Bush term. With the mood of the country right now, that is a sure loser.

[Ken Burch]

66. I WASN'T slamming Obama. Just trying to keep my party from making the elections meaningless.

Otherwise, I'm glad you started this thread.

[FrenchieCat]

70. Cool!

:hi:

I wrote this as an LTTE in reference to McCain and this issues:

Dear Editors,

Senator John McCain actively campaigned against the GI Bill of Education Rights that passed by a margin of 75 to 22 in the Senate last week, yet I haven’t heard an ounce of criticism in the mainstream media about this. It wouldn’t be so bad, if John McCain had bothered to vote against it, as he had advocated that his senate colleagues should, but he didn’t even bother to show up to vote at all.

Worse still, John McCain is now on record of taking credit for the bill’s passage as he now praises it in his stump speech, while leaving out the details of his fight against it with the then rationale that the bill was "too much" of a good thing that it would discourage our fighting men and women to stay in the Armed Forces. In fact, there is a video of John McCain doing such, and yet the media is silent on his disingenuous posturing on this issue.

When will the media scrutinize John McCain’s action as well as his words? I’m still waiting; meanwhile, it appears that once again, John McCain gets a pass. Not only do I want to know when John McCain will be held accountable for his words on the campaign trail, but I also want to know by whom?


Respectfully,

XXXXXXXXXXXX

PS. I sent it to the some media contacts, but there I included the backup sources as they are in this op.

I've sent out 13 letters thus far.

[kestrel91316]

104. I call THIS post of yours a slam at Obama. Indirect, of course, but a slam nonetheless.

You people think you are so clever.

[Coexist]

67. Amen, Frenchie.

[jonnyblitz]

73. McCAIN SUCKS, VOTE FOR OBAMA, there ya go...

NEXT TOPIC PLEASE? :hi:

seriously though and off topic, I am glad to see that crappy urban dictionary shit about you has been removed. all our infighting should REMAIN here, it's not fair to drag it elsewhere. I have had similar happen to me also.

[FrenchieCat]

74. McCain sucks......Vote Obama! You've got that right!

and I didn't realize that "mess" was gone...

Great, cause yeah, you're again right!
I'm grateful to those who wrote in to get it done. :hi:

[jonnyblitz]

75. yes, go see for yourself. I was curious to see whether they would

get rid of it or not and it was gone. we may lock horns here at DU but we need to keep that crap in house. I voted it thumbs down but didn't comment because it would have gotten lost in the freeper comment invasion. actually the freeper invasion probably assisted in getting it taken down because it illustrated what was going on and that it was a fraudulent entry. :crazy: :hi:

[Duder]

76. Yes, we can!

November will be here before we know it. K & R.

[merh]

77. kick

:kick:

[blondeatlast]

78. Thank you, Frenchie! McCain's LIE should doom him but the m$m will ignore it. It's up to us

to get the word out.

You rock, sister! :hug:

[FrenchieCat]

79. and only us.

:patriot:

[slinkerwink]

81. let's not forget that McCain failed to pay property taxes for FOUR YEARS in California!

[FrenchieCat]

83. Ha no....that is not forgotten.

That's for Tuesday! :)

[shadowknows69]

82. Thank you Frenchie, and you're right about the Obama attacks

This place has become really unpleasant to visit with some of the negativity and bullshit "concern" or "purity" threads.

[FloridaJudy]

88. Have you *seen* McSame's ads?

They're utterly vile and despicable. I feel like I need to disinfect my monitor after stumbling on one this morning. The Republicans can't really point to anything positive about their candidate, so they resort to thinly veiled slander against ours. Taking credit for other people's work also seems par for the course.

Yeah, I have my quarrels with Obama - particularly the FISA issue. But the man's so many light-years ahead of the competition I'm going to work like hell to make sure he's elected.

[tom_paine]

89. K & R

[quickesst]

90. Here's the sad truth....

Now that the illusion of ideological perfection has been exposed as not so perfect, the op and others are upset that some people are finally asking questions, and making character judgements based upon facts. Although Obama has gone back on his word concerning the FISA bill, his more "avid" supporters will point to McShame, and try and convince us that his vote for the FISA bill is somehow worse than Obama's because, well, he's a republican.
Another sad truth is that at this point in the campaign, the democratic nominee should be leading any repug, including a resurrected St. Reagan, by at least thirty to forty points. I'll ask, why isnt this the case? I don't expect, nor desire an answer to that question, for the simple reason, hindsight is twenty-twenty, and obvious.
So, for all all who cannot deal with the revelation of fallacy on a realistic basis, welcome to the real world, where adoration, fauning, swooning, and blind loyalty is not enough to sustain Obama's walk on water to the presidency. I hope Obama wins, and he's getting my vote, but at least I can make my choice based upon the fact that McCain is unacceptable, and that a "not so perfect" Democrat is much more preferable. We had our chance at total slam-dunk with a history making landslide, but decided to risk the possibility of an overwhelming victory based upon a naive, and flawed ideology that most of the country was not, realistically, ready to accept. The chickens are finally coming home to roost, and the Democratic Party better be ready to find a few broken eggs. Instead of crying about it, they should learn how to make an omelette that minimizes the damage. The revelation that the MSM is not, and has never been, a friend to the Democratic Party should have been obvious from the start, and the "tingle" Tweety Matthews felt run up his leg hearing one of Obama's speech, was not one of admiration, but one of anticipation of the general election. Gore, Kerry, and Deja Vu. Thanks.
quickesst

[rtassi]

101. Why; that was rational, honest, insightful, and of course true... Thank you!

I don't imagine it will matter much to the op though. Holding the dear Senator to the highest standards, like telling the truth, and doing what he promised to do, doesn't appear to matter to the faithful, while it appears to be perfectly OK to disparage anyone who sees things differently. Reversing his position on FISA is only the beginning ... The Democratic party has shafted us over and over again, and yet we still won't face the truth about our own. A sadder truth for me is, that no candidate however well intentioned, or hyped, can or will bring about the change some Americans desire. All Candidates for this high office must, by the nature of the system, be compromised before they are allowed to run ... Obama will get my vote also, but I am many decades past the illusion of a savior in the White House.
rt

[Arthurtheking]

91. It's healthy to criticize our own a little bit

Just a little bit, when we believe he has strayed from our path.

[blondeatlast]

92. You are new, grasshopper. Look around. And your deep "concern" over

Franken has been noted.

[placton]

93. Just sayin'

I supported Hillary, and now Obama. Just sayin' tho: if Hillary had been nominated and the ran to the right - oops - center, like this, I would be snarlin' here too. The fact is, the bloom is off the Obama rose. Better than McCodger by light years? Yup. Just another Dem pol who shits on his base? Yup yup.

[DogPoundPup]

94. One has to look far wide for McCain coverage in the msm

I have looked daily over the last week to find any real negative msm 'news' about McCain and the headlines just aren't there. I found a few articles and posted them, but people pretty much ignored them. Here is one that I posted from an alternet article....
McCains ties to the infamous quasi-governmental organization require far greater scrutiny.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3527057&mesg_id=3527057

Here's the kind of kid glove headlines McCain gets:
McCain, Obama and the Latino Vote NPR - Politics & Society 14:53

McCain's Straight Talk Express grows wings CNN 14:46

In the last 2 hours

McCain Says Obama's Word `Cannot Be Trusted' (Bloomberg) Yahoo! US - Elections 14:19

Vandals in Florida target Obama, McCain, back Clinton Houston Chronicle - News 14:15

A Win by McCain Could Push Court to the Right The Washington Post - Politics 13:46

McCain on Gas Prices: ‘I Don’t See How it Matters’ Outside the Beltway (Weblog) 13:34

In the last 4 hours

McCain's right hand woman Kansas City Star, Ohio - Politics 12:44

In the last 6 hours

McCain, Talabani eye troops pact The Washington Times - Politics 09:34

McCain veers from record to ... The Washington Times - Politics 09:34

In the last 8 hours

McCain a tough military critic Boston.com - Politics 09:00

Roberta McCain steals reporter's heart, strikes fear in handlers' LA Times - Politics 08:04

McCain's unorthodox campaign LA Times - Politics 08:04

Immigration policy reform has Obama, McCain in agreement LA Times - Politics 08:04

Hecklers harass McCain CNN 07:49

Today

Obama, McCain turn focus to Hispanic vote Houston Chronicle - Politics 06:40

McCain, Obama work to buff up presidential images Houston Chronicle - Politics 06:40

Obama, McCain begin courtship of Hispanics Boston.com - Politics 06:18

McCain, Obama woo Latinos, pledge immigration overhaul The News & Observer, North Carolina 06:09

McCain, Iraq prez, claim 'progress' Business Today - 2008 Campaigns 05:19



McCain, Obama court Hispanics Business Today - 2008 Campaigns 05:19

McCain Says Obama `Cannot Be Trusted,' Cites Campaign Financing Turnaround Bloomberg - Politics 05:03

McCain Tells Republican Donors Obama's Word `Cannot Be Trusted' (Bloomberg) Yahoo! US - Elections 05:02

McCain, Obama begin courting Hispanic voters Kansas City Star, Ohio - Politics 04:18

McCain, Iraqi president say country's progress is 'fragile' Kansas City Star, Ohio - Politics 04:18



If elected, McCain vows to make immigration reform 'top priority' Chicago Tribune - Politics 03:47

McCain predicts last-minute win News Hounds (Weblog) 03:21

McCain, Obama court Hispanics with immigration promises Houston Chronicle - Politics 02:48

A Win by McCain Could Push a Split Court to Right The Washington Post - Politics 02:14

Breaking: John McCain In Default On Property Taxes MyDD (Weblog) 01:23



For McCain, Airliner Interior as Campaign Motif The New York Times - Washington 01:19

McCain and Obama court Latino voters (Politico) Yahoo! US - Politics Top Stories 00:35

Cuban-American woman leads McCain's Florida campaign Miami Herald - Politics 00:32

McCain and Obama court Latino voters Yahoo! US - Politics 00:30

Fox Relies on Ex-Clinton Supporters to Tout McCain News Hounds (Weblog) 00:19

Yesterday

What do you mean 'WE' Mr. McCain? The Detroit News - Politics (Weblog) 23:36 28-Jun-08

McCain and Obama Court Hispanic Voters The New York Times - The Caucus (Weblog) 23:31 28-Jun-08

McCain Outspending Obama on MO TV Talking Points Memo (Weblog) 23:21 28-Jun-08

'Hanoi Hilton' Jailer Would Vote McCain ABCNEWS.com - Politics 22:38 28-Jun-08

Both McCain, Obama vow to push immigration overhaul Kansas City Star, Ohio - Politics 22:25 28-Jun-08



John McCain: Domestic Violence is Hi-fncking-larious Comments From Left Field (Weblog) 21:54 28-Jun-08

Mrs. McCain, San Diego County Would Like a Word Newsweek - Politics 21:10 28-Jun-08

Obama, McCain spar for Latino vote (AFP) Yahoo! US - Elections 20:57 28-Jun-08

Taibbi on McCain Political Animal (Weblog) 20:51 28-Jun-08

McCain and Obama woo Latino leaders WAVY-TV 10, Virginia - Political News 20:22 28-Jun-08



Top Story McCain, Obama Vie for Latino Votes -- but Anti-Iraq Hecklers Crash Party ABCNEWS.com - Politics 20:06 28-Jun-08

McCain meets with Iraqi president CNN 19:42 28-Jun-08

Rivals McCain and Obama court Hispanic voters Yahoo! US - Politics 19:28 28-Jun-08

Watch McCain get heckled CNN 18:42 28-Jun-08

Obama hits McCain on immigration flip-flop The Politico (Weblog) 18:26 28-Jun-08



McCain, Obama court pivotal Hispanic voters in back-to-back speeches WISH-TV, Indianapolis - Political News 18:25 28-Jun-08

McCain, Obama's nuclear battle CNN 18:11 28-Jun-08

McCain taps Martinez to help woo Florida's Hispanic voters. Orlando Sentinel, Florida - Political Pulse (Weblog) 18:02 28-Jun-08

Rivals McCain and Obama court ... The Washington Times - Politics 17:54 28-Jun-08

McCain, Iraqi President Meet In D.C. CBS.com - Politics 17:47 28-Jun-08



Rivals McCain and Obama court Hispanics voters Anchorage Daily News, Alaska - Politics 17:41 28-Jun-08

McCain, Obama court Hispanic voters (AP) Yahoo! US - Politics Top Stories 17:29 28-Jun-08

McCain, Obama court Hispanic voters San Francisco Chronicle - Politics 17:27 28-Jun-08

McCain, Obama court Hispanics voters Yahoo! US - Politics 17:26 28-Jun-08

McCain speaks to Latinos, heckled CNN 17:19 28-Jun-08



McCain, Obama Court Hispanic Officials in Back-to-Back Washington Speeches Bloomberg - Politics 16:55 28-Jun-08


Anyhow...I'm with you all the way!

[JNelson6563]

95. What can I say Frenchie?

Other than...

You Go Girl!! :toast:

Julie

Edited to add: I'm gonna kick this every time I stop at DU for the next couple of days to make sure all see it.

[FrenchieCat]

99. I thank you for your assistance.......

as it appears to be needed.

:hi:

[Iwillnevergiveup]

97. Let's not forget LIEberman

Glen Greenwald of Brave New Films has a petition up with just under 40,00 signatures

liebermanmustgo.com

Demand the Steering Committee remove Joe Lieberman's position within the Democratic caucus.

[L0oniX]

100. McLame.

"I ‘Don’t See How It Matters’ That I Don’t Know The Price Of Gas" --John McCain

"I disagree with what the majority of the American people want." --John McCain

[FrenchieCat]

103. I was reading another thread with the poster's idea to make this into a commercial.....

which I think is exactly the correct idea!

[L0oniX]

110. "I disagree with what the majority of the American people want." --John McCain ...

should be a bumper sticker or a poster.

[FrenchieCat]

111. Can we get that done?

I heard that there are websites where one can design one's own bumper sticker!

[psychmommy]

105. thanks for helping to redirect our focus

folks got caught up and forgot what we dems are trying to do. john mccain has a free pass from the media. as a matter of fact id there a news blackout on mccain. i think the media is trying to saturate viewers with obama trying to numb us. instead he is going to be on everybody's mind.

[barack the house]

106. That's the way to go. We must stay on message to November It's all or nothing folks.

[Breeze54]

107. NEVER QUESTION AUTHORITY!! - MY COUNTRY, RIGHT OR WRONG!!!

.... and the OP is so busy slamming DUers that dare to ask; :wtf:

:eyes:

[FrenchieCat]

108. Yeah, but......overkill is not a virtue! Cause after a while.......the panning starts to .....

[Lord Helmet]

117. it's a kind off delusional hysteria some can't break free from

it's like they are too lazy to do some nuanced critical thinking

[Breeze54]

121. Is your helmet on to tight?

[Lord Helmet]

122. at least your hyperbole is entertaining

[MoJoWorkin]

112. Thanks, Frenchie! We can always count on you!

I have been away from DU for a while and I was wondering a bit if the place had been taken over by the dark side.
:yourock:

[George II]

114. Thanks, and give 'em HELL, Frenchie!!

About time someone steps up and points out the folly of many DU'ers here. Sometimes I wonder if I wandered into some conservative website or something. It's great to see some people pointing out that it's McCAIN we should be attacking.

Thanks again.

[Lord Helmet]

119. I'm with you Frenchie Cat.

[1Hippiechick]

120. The AMENDMENT is a slam to those who enter the military for the purpose of obtaining an education.

Enlistees now have to stay active longer to obtain benefits! Just another way to keep enlistees in the army longer! It's F*CKING DISGRACE!

[FrenchieCat]

123. McCain is a fucking disgrace, and it appears that if we don't call him out on this

no one else will.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

124. I've heard DUers bitch and moan about Obama voting "present" on certain bills...

but have they delved into McSame's "absent" and "present" votes? He hasn't voted or shown up to do work in the Senate since April. Far too busy campaigning!! x(

Why haven't DUer's spent time condemning McSame's warmongering and Bush-loving record? We need to be doing just that than crying over Obama's statements or policy positions. As much as I hate it, he MUST appeal to the Center/Moderates if we want to win this thing.

[FrenchieCat]

125. I'm thinking perhaps that they haven't shifted to GE mode still yet.

or they think they know better how to win a national election than Obama does.

Of course, timing is everything....so they need to get to a crackin'.

[Imagevision]

126. people we should kick this around till election day, so many (even repugs) are unaware of this...

[MoonRiver]

127. I suppose

has some advantages.

But, do you really think the M$M is going to do anything but laugh at our emails, now that they have had their way with us? :shrug: