Time to strip Lieberman's committee chair--just called us the "Democrat" party on Face the Nation.

[flpoljunkie]

Lieberman reportedly has been ineffectual in oversight of Bush's Homeland Security Department as Chairman.

Stooping to the lowest common denominator by calling his former party, the "Democrat" party cannot stand unanswered, Democrats. Kick his neocon ass out of any Democratic leadership position, Senator Reid, and do it poste haste!

Wes Clark is up now and doing a terrific job! Host Bob Schieffer was shocked when Wes said being shot down and serving as a prisoner of war, in itself, does not make one qualified to be Commander-in-Chief. Schieffer incredulously cried, "Really?"

Go, Wes! He was great for Kerry, and is shaping up to be a formidable and credible attack dog for Obama on national security issues.

[sharp_stick]

1. That prick is all in with McLame

he knows that the Dems are going to pick up a couple of seats in the Senate come November so his entire pathetic political career is dependant on McLame becoming President. He is well aware what a Democratic victory means to his future, a committee assignment of bathroom cleanliness and that's it.

Fuck you lieberman you POS, I can't wait to see you lose it all.

[Phred42]

10. After November - Liebermann will be irrelavant.....

and he knows it

[polmaven]

21. Right, but it needs to wait

until January. Doing anything to threaten the very tenuous and slim majority Dems have now could be very dangerous to this country.

After January, when the new Congress takes over, we should have a much larger majority, and be able to tell him to pound sand.

[flpoljunkie]

48. Read Dems are afraid R's will beat us over the head with this politically if we throw him out.

Yet how will it make the weak-kneed Dem leadership look when Liebermann speaks or even keynotes the Republican convention in early September, 1-4.

Chairman Joe Liebermann has reportedly failed to provide diligent oversight of Bush's Department Homeland Security, rife with corruption and incompetence.

He won't make the difference on any issues the Dems have on their plate at this point in the presidential election season.

Strip "Independent Democrat" Joe Liebermann of his chairmanship now! He deserves no less.

[msongs]

2. mccain failed his mission and lost his plane - sounds incompetent to me nt

[flpoljunkie]

4. McCain known as 'hotshot' pilot--crashed 5 of 23 planes, before his downing and capture in Vietnam.

[Occam Bandage]

3. I think that endorsing McCain is a better reason than saying 'sibboleth.'

[flpoljunkie]

5. So far, his endorsement of McCain has not hurt him with the party's leadership.

[Occam Bandage]

6. And it won't, until we have more than a 1-vote majority.

[flpoljunkie]

8. Reason stated for not removing him is that his ouster would help the R's in PR war--bullsh*t!

Holy Joe is rubbing it in our faces--it's past time to strip him of Homeland Security chairmanship.

[polmaven]

22. Not in the PR wars!

If he should formally start caucusing with the (R)s, the Dem majority is gone, and Cheney becomes the president of a Senate with a majority again!....Is that what you want to see?

[Hawkeye-X]

29. Actually, that's incorrect.

We can kick out Joe and keep the majority? Why? Reid and McConnell signed a declaration that the Democratic Party is the majority party until the next session of the Congress.

And guess what? the next session of Congress is not until Jan '09.

Just a reminder.

Hawkeye-X

[Buck Rabbit]

34. If this declaration of majority is irrevocable, then strip him, moon him

and pre-piss on his grave immediately.

I had not heard about this declaration before. I have asked when this has come up in other threads whether the majority would switch and you are the first to answer in the affirmative.

[MonkeyFunk]

38. nothing in the Senate is irrevocable

[flpoljunkie]

54. Thanks, HawkeyeX, for pointing this out.

[flpoljunkie]

53. Actually, that is not true this late in the session.

[TheCowsCameHome]

7. Joe is in for a big fall, 'cept he's too cocky to realize it

What a sweet day when he gets thrown overboard with an anchor around his neck.

[Adelante]

9. Just coming on here

I like that they announced Wes as "one of Obama's chief foreign policy advisors" :)

[flpoljunkie]

11. Wes is very high on my potential VP list; hope Obama's team feels likewise.

Wes Clark, born in Chicago and raised in Arkansas, Rhodes Scholar, NATO Supreme Allied Commander, brings foreign policy cred, decency, incredible smarts and style--and, "would do no harm, the first rule of picking a VP.

[ccharles000]

12. What an asshat.

[Faygo Kid]

13. Yes, it's time to take a stand. Kick Joe out of his committee assignments.

The Dems can't reach cloture on anything, anyway. Joe Lieberman is a disgrace to this nation. Kick his ass out of anything and everything.

[fishwax]

14. it'll be a beautiful day when he's tossed

:puke:

[Mz Pip]

15. Lieberman must have

a political death with. His only claim to fame these days is supporting an unpopular president and an unpopular war. What does he get out of it? He gets to stand on the stage with the other losers.

He kind of reminds me of the wannabes with no talent who keep trying out at the talent shows. THey keep getting booed off the stage but always come back for more.

[tom_paine]

16. I think Joe has ALWAYS been a Bushie, giving them info from our counsels,

letting them know about our strategies and just pretending to be one of us.

And getting Gore to pick Joementum as his running mate in 2000 was as big a score as a made Mafiosi being named Deputy Director of the FBI.

Once Bushler took over and helped or made 9/11 happen, and murdered Carnahan and Wellstone, ol' Joementum wasn't needed as the dream of a neutralized Democratic Party such as the watergate Conspirators dreamt of, had come to pass.

Joe was no longer needed to be "undercover".

This I believe.

[crimsonblue]

30. murdered carnahan and wellstone?

I do hope you are being hyperbolic.. Because it's not a very funny joke.

[tom_paine]

31. No joke. No hyperbole. I believe there to be a greater than 50% chance one or both men were

murdered.

In case you are misunderstanding me, no I don't think Joe Lieberman was involved.

But one or both of those men were murdered.

Their lives were the difference between the Bushies gaining Total Control of the legslature much earlier than they otherwise would have.

Those two lives meant three extra years for the Bushies to loot and pillage and reduce the Constitution and Bill of Rights to rubble.

Am I sure? Hell, no. It is still under discussion whether Hitler and the Nazis set the Reichstag Fire, so the only thing I am SURE about is that we don't know and we will never know.

But I suspect. Oh my yes do I suspect. Given the arch-criminals we are dealing with in the Bushies, one would have to be a fool to dismiss it is 100% impossible.

Cui bono?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cui+bono

I wish this was a joke. I wish the last seven years were a nightmare I dreamt after eating some bad turkey.

But it isn't, and they haven't been.

[crimsonblue]

33. hmm

i guess you're entitled to your crazy conspiracy theories... whatever.

[tom_paine]

40. And I guess you're entitled to your bullshit head-in-the-sand Coincidence Theories.

Whatever.

[crimsonblue]

41. fuck you then

Seriously? are you really trying to connect the two plane crashes? freaking seriously? maybe you should check into the mental hospital, because you're fucking crazy.

[tom_paine]

43. And a hearty fuck you to the oh-so-holier than thou anti Conspiracy Crusader.

The head-in-the-sand Coincidence Theorist.

Hey, dumbass, let me say it so you can understand it:

#1) In my posts, I am the one who is saying that either one of us might turn out to be right. YOU, asshole, are the one who is saying I am 100% wrong and saying shit like I should be in a mental hospital.

Who's got the closed mind here, bright boy?

#2) For all you bullshit head-in-the-sand asshole sneering Coincidence Theorists, so sure that conspiracies don't happen, why is Criminal Conspiracy on the books, then, if all conspiracy theories are bullshit?

You know, if you sneering assholes had even an ounce of humility, the thought that, "maybe I could be wrong," maybe you would be a little easier to stomach.

But you're not. Just cry Conspiracy Theorists and that's it.

Except Watergate WAS a conspiracy, and assholes like you blathered at many in the early 70s to stop with the craziness.

Lucky back then some dug a little deeper than you head-in-the-sand Coincidence Theorists trying to shout everyone down with your bullshit holier-than-thou superiority.

Lucky they weren't all asshole sneering head-in-the-sand Coincidence Theorists like you or Nixon would have finished out his term and initiated even bolder lawbreaking.

#3) Every investigation that ultimately yields evidentiary results STARTS with a hunch, a Conspiracy Theory, usually postulated by a law enforcement officer. Conspiracy Theories get investigated. Not all of the turn out to be true. Some of them do.

And some, don't get investigated at all, or shoddily. But if Conspiracy Theories are all bullshit, why was RICO invented?

That reminds me of another classic Coincidence Theorist Asshole from history: J. Edgar Hoover. It is a historic fact that all through the 30s and 40s, Hoover turned a blind eye to the Mafia and it's many criminal enterprises including the taking over of the unions through beatings and murder.

Could you imagine being a union guy, terrorized by Mafiosi and having seen his friends in the Construction Union beaten and murdered, then going to the FBI to have some asshole like YOU laugh him out of the office for his "crazy conspiracy theories"?

Aaaah, get out of here you Loonie Lefty Conspiracy Theorist, before I lock you up in the Mental Hospital! What nonsense! Criminals organized like corporations. Criminals wantonly murdering and beating people by the dozens in front of witnesses, and not ONE comes forward? God, what will you nutballs think of next?

Did any of this sink in? Of course not. I'm a wacky Conspiracy Theorist fit for the loony bin, and you are an oh so smugly superior head-in-the-sand Coincidence Theorist who knows everything, right? You don't deign to listen to what I have to say.

Just sneer and get on with it. Oh, and don't forget to look surprised when the Bushies continue to roll us and loot the nation six ways from Sunday.

Or is THAT a crazy Conspiracy Theory, too?

:rofl:

[crimsonblue]

45. criminal conspiracy is way different than

saying that the government blew up or shot down or caused to crash two airplanes. Criminal conspiracy is on the books as a method of prosecuting two or more people that plan a crime.. shit, how bout you keep to the normal crazy conspiracies like roswell, jfk, or 9.11. Wow, I'm surprised by how batshit some people on here are.. Oh well, I guess irrationality runs on both sides of the spectrum.

[tom_paine]

46. See how you embarass yourself?

You lump Roswell in with other "conspiracy theories" that are more likely to have happened.

Roswell, of course, being the ultimate "batshit" brush an idiot like you can find to tar someone with.

Unfortunately, I don't buy the Roswell bullshit nor the UFO aliens bullshit.

How about you keep your smug holier than thou attitude to UFO message boards? You could really take it to 'em, I mean REALLY get some sneering done, not this amateur sneering your are doing here.

I never mentioned, 9/11...but YOU did. Oh, you Coincidence Theorist crusaders! Never debate when you can distract and deflect, eh?

I noticed, of course, you failed to answer my points about Watergate and the Mafia, two notable "conspiracy theories" decried by assholes like you that turned out to be true and then some.

Of course you wouldn't mention them. It demolishes your whole contemptuous thing you've got going on. High dudgeon. Feels good? I'm sure it does.

Oh, and I forgot Enron, which, had they not gone bankrupt and had their books forced open by the law, would probably still be creating phony rolling blackouts in CA and looting billions.

And THAT was a conspiracy involving dozens, even hundreds, including the energy traders tasked with WRITING the power denial computer programs with approriately sinister names such as Death Star.

Don't believe me? Google "Death Star" AND "Enron". Not that you will. An asshole like you doesn't bother with facts that contradict him. Just like a Freeper you are.

Or do you believe Enron and the Phony Energy Crisis of 2001 is a Conspiracy Theory?

You also failed to notice how I am the only one conceding here that certain things might or might not have happened, that we cannot know for sure lacking a reliable investigation. It's YOU who continues to do the asshole-shouting, "NO, it's not possible! 100% certain. You're crazy."

Finally, you split semantic hairs on the idea of Criminal Conspiracy, and continue to insult, sneer and dismiss because YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE. But it's all bullshit semantics, and not very well done at that. Grade school stuff. How old are you, I wonder?

You CAN'T answer me on Watergate, the Mafia, or Enron... three famous "conspiracy theories". You CAN'T answer me on why you have a 100% closed mind while I am more than ready to admit that that certain Conspiracy Theories may or may not have happened, but that further investigation is required, or that Bushie Corruption has now been ESTABLISHED by investigation (ever heard of the DOJ Attorneys Scandal, or is that just another loony Conspiracy Theory, you close-minded holier than thou asshole?) to be well beyond anything we have experienced in our lifetimes, corrupting even the law enforcement agencies we rely on to be a reasonably fair and trustworthy investigator of crimes no matter who commits them?

All you have are insults, trying to link me with UFO theorists to try and make me look crazy, and a closed mind which says only what you believe to be true is possible.

In other words, the short definition of ignorant asshole. You are the short-definition of ignorant asshole.

You are SOOOOOOOOOOOOO invested, it is quite clear from your sneering, pontless posts, in nothing having happened otehr than the way it was explained to you by the TV, it makes me laugh. I suppose you think Tim Russert was a "great journalist", too? After all, the TV said so, and if the TV says so it has to be true.

People like you are the tyrants' best friend. The more criminal they get, the more shrill and whining your denials of what becomes ever more obvious (but never proven, because the tyrants usually run the very law enforcement agencies that otherwise would have investigated them throughly).

You know what was another wacky Conspiracy Theory, right up until the day it was proven for certain? That the Nazis would waste so much effort, manpower and rolling stock on the industrialized extermination of whole peoples, such as Jews, Poles, Gays, and Liberals, in the midst of a war.

It made no sense, after all, that a nation in the middle of a life and death struggle would hamstring itself in this way by diverting vital manpower and resources.

Look it up if you don't believe me. It was a wacky Conspiracy Theory right up until the day the American Army liberated the camps.

And I have no doubt that, had we lived at that time, you would be excoriating me for bringing up such an obviously false piece of "Jewish Propaganda". As I said, your kind the tyrants best friend. Always has been and always will be.

Yet ANOTHER thing you can't answer. If I were you, child, I wouldn't even try, considering your ham-fisted, juvenile and pathetic efforts to refute my point about Criminal Conspiracy being a law routinely prosecuted all over the country daily. Instead you laughably chose to try to draw a line that doesn't exist. When you get to college you'll find out this is a logical fallacy.

Now sneer some more. It's all you have. It's all guys like you ever have.

[old guy]

17. I am beginning to think he wants to be forced out.

He can then play the "poor me" card, and blame the Dems. After all he votes with them most of the time and now they are just being meanies. They made him become a repub. Again, I think he is trying to force a confrontation.

[Rose Siding]

18. He's a creep but I find the idea of majority leader Boehner even more repellent.

We need a bigger majority.

[Zynx]

20. We're going to have well over 245 seats in the House at the end of this cycle.

[polmaven]

23. 245 House seats

is great, but helps nothing in the Senate.

[Zynx]

26. My comment was in reference to Boehner, who is in the House.

As for the Senate, we are going to have a minimum of 55 Senate seats.

[Faryn Balyncd]

19. Would Chuck Hagel call the GOP "Rethuglican"? (Unlike Lieberman, Hagel is principled & a gentleman)

It is time for the leadership to stop the charade, and kick Lieberman OUT.

[TwilightGardener]

25. Hagel always says "Democratic party". I think he hates that silly fifth-grader shit.

[TwilightGardener]

24. When he uses GOP code words to show his contempt for the Dem party, it's beyond overdue to kick

his sorry quisling ass out. I honestly no longer care about the majority in the Senate--we haven't frankly gotten much done except roll over, reap blame, and endure GOP obstruction.

[paulk]

27. and then he joins the Republican caucus

and we lose the majority leadership and all the committee chairs.

Putting up with him for a few more months is preferable, IMO.

[Zynx]

51. Actually no. The organizing vote in January of 2007 is in effect regardless.

[elehhhhna]

28. i thought i heard that. what a tool.

[DeepModem Mom]

32. Then he is drunk on GOP Kool-Aid, and has nothing but contempt for us. Let's get those...

good majorities in both Houses and strip him of everything, and then find somebody -- if we have to persuade God/Goddess him/herself to run as a Dem -- to beat him, real bad, next time in Connecticut.

[DFW]

35. Put yourself in Lieberman's place

Every day you walk into the Senate and sit with people you have betrayed
and they don't take any action. They just look at you, and you can feel their
utter contempt, their looks of disdain penetrating your expensive suit, and
know that they are relishing counting down the days when you will be Joe
Nowhereman and there is nothing you can do about it, and they won't say ONE
WORD, but just sit there and smile at you, squirming at the dwindling moments
of your relevance.

I think his former Democratic colleagues are enjoying this.

[hokies4ever]

36. Olbermann already called him out on this

Lieberman is toast after this election.

[Olney Blue]

37. Lieberman is dangerous.

[BlooInBloo]

39. Er... he's been doing that for a long time.

[TexasObserver]

42. LIEberman will be stripped of his status and perks in 2009 by Senate Dems.

His day has passed.

[hendo]

44. We are democrats. n/t

[flpoljunkie]

47. Neocon Likudnik Joe Liebermann is a one-issue "Republican," and that issue is Israel.

We look forward to the ugly spectacle of his full throated endorsement of John McCain as the "one who can keep us safe" at the Republicans' Convention in Minneapolis in July--ollowing in the footsteps of the loathsome Zell Miller.

[Marrah_G]

49. He is such a little asshat- His religious crusade is an embarassment

[Barack_America]

50. That was a bold thing for Clark to say, but I'm glad that he did.

It's true.

[demokatgurrl]

52. It doesn't help that DEMOCRATS themselves

use the term. That's why I gently correct it when I see it here.

And I agree- we have to get enough of a majority in the SEnate that we can tell Lieberman to go to hell.

[DefenseLawyer]

55. Joementum's days are numbered here at Faber

and he knows it.