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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 08:09 AM
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"Progressives Must Guard Against Helping to Promote Republican Narrative..." by Robert Creamer
Edited on Mon Jul-07-08 08:12 AM by ErinBerin84
Hey, this is an article from the Huffington Post that I thought correlated with the discussions/conflict that is going on here right now. So to preface this posting, let me just say that I don't neccesarily agree with EVERY point of Robert Creamer's in this piece, but I think he does make some good ones otherwise... so make sure that any disagreement with him is not directed at me :) I do think the "Iraq flip flop" charge was completely media manufactured though.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/progressives-must-guard-a_b_111098.html


Progressives Must Guard Against Helping to Promote Republican Narrative That Alleges Obama "Flip Flops"

Robert Creamer



The Republican spin machine is locked and loaded to promote the notion that Barack Obama is a "flip flopper." Four years ago it was their principal line of attack against Kerry and it worked like a charm.

In 2004, the goal of this narrative was to convince swing voters that Kerry had no core values -- that his positions and commitments were blown by the winds of public opinion just as he was blown right and left in the notorious campaign ad of Kerry wind-surfing.

Not long after the 2004 election, I was in a New Jersey taxicab. The driver was a typical male New Jersey cabbie. "So what do you think of Corzine?" I asked. "Oh, Corzine, tough guy. Like him," he replied about the then-Senator.

"What do you think of Bush?" I asked. "Like him too. Tough guy. Stands up for what he believes," came the answer.

"What about Kerry?" I asked. "Kerry? Can't stand him. Flip-flopper."

People want leaders who are firmly committed to their values. The key thing that affected the New Jersey cabbie's view wasn't the positions or views of the candidates. It was whether they stood up for what they believed. There are many independent voters just like him.

I believe that John Kerry has very clear values, but he left himself open to be defined to swing voters as if he didn't.

Barack Obama is firmly committed to progressive values that contrast sharply with the values implicit in necon foreign policy and dog-eat-dog, survival-of-the-fittest Bush-McCain economic policies.

Obama is much less likely than Kerry was to allow himself to be characterized as a flip-flopper without core values, because his entire campaign is rooted in the discussion of values. It has drawn very sharp distinctions with Republicans on the critical symbolic questions of Iraq, the economy and health care. But that won't keep Republicans from doing everything they can to try to make Obama look like he is a "typical politician" without a moral core the same way they did with Kerry.

Last week's near-frenzy in the media over Obama's alleged "move to the center" on Iraq had no substance whatsoever. It was fed, virtually entirely, by the Republican National Committee and the McCain campaign that simply asserted that his statements on Iraq represented a "change " from earlier positions. That narrative was picked up and parroted by various media pundits as if it were true.

Unfortunately, some Progressives fell prey to the media wave and actually gave credence to this non-story, when the fact is that Obama has consistently supported ending the war in Iraq and withdrawing all combat troops within 16 months, at a pace that is responsive to the situation on the ground.

Progressives have to remember that the Republicans don't care about the nuances of these issues. Their goal is simple: make Obama look like he is changing his position.

All Progressives don't agree with every position Barack Obama has taken, but the fact is that very few of his positions have changed since the campaign began.

Progressives who disagree with Barack Obama but at the same time don't want to help Republicans usher in a third Bush term need to remember three things:

1). Go right ahead and disagree with an Obama position or statement -- but disagree on the substance. Don't impute some venal motive. Remember that even when you disagree with him on an issue or policy, Obama shares our progressive values.

2). Don't reinforce the Republican narrative that Obama is a "flip flopper." Disagreeing with an Obama position is very different from arguing that he agreed with you once, but now has changed positions just to win favor with the voters. First, that is generally wrong. Second, if Obama emphasizes one aspect of a position instead of another in order to attract a particular group of voters, that does not mean he "changed" his position. Third, remember that the Republicans are desperate to get Progressives to confirm their narrative and convince guys like my New Jersey taxi driver to elect John McCain.

3). Remember that there is a huge gulf between the values of Obama and McCain. Obama stands clearly in the progressive tradition of giving every human being equal opportunity to fulfill their potential. McCain stands squarely on the side of ultra-conservative values that protect the power and prerogatives of the wealthiest among us.

Obama stands firmly against the neocon foreign policies of preemptive war and unilateral action that lay at the root of the worst American foreign policy disaster in a generation. McCain stands just as firmly for the neocon vision and the Bush approach to the rest of the world.

Obama believes that economic growth happens from the bottom up and doesn't trickle down on the rest of us. He supports the rights of workers to organize to defend their standard of living, and a world where we're all in this together, not all in this alone. McCain intends to continue Bush's economic policies that have assured that all of the economic growth in the last seven years has gone to the wealthiest 1% of Americans.

Obama understands that our world faces the greatest environmental crisis in history as we seek to prevent human beings from altering our climate. First and foremost, John McCain's loyalties lie with the oil industry.

We need to remember that John McCain's campaign is managed by lobbyists from the biggest special interests in America, while Barack Obama understands the need to mobilize tens of millions of Americans to change Washington from the ground up.

Progressives should go right ahead and question Obama's positions on issues -- and they should continue to hold him accountable when he is elected president. But remember that the Republicans are desperate to convince independent voters that Obama is "just another politician" whose values flow from the latest poll instead of his own commitment to principle. Don't help them. If you do you will be wrong, and you will also help the Republicans fulfill their unthinkable fantasy of a third Bush term.


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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 08:19 AM
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1. K&R. Filed under: don't be a tool.
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 08:30 AM
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2. Still, I was sad to see Obama abandon public financing for his campaign
though I understand why he did it.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 09:10 AM
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6. McCain is raising mega millions through rich donors and soft money
The system is corrupt.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 01:41 PM
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21. But that isn't a change in position.
Edited on Mon Jul-07-08 01:41 PM by Radical Activist
He still supports a public financing system that isn't screwed up.
Our current system got us the President most beholden to corporate special interests in American history.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 08:44 AM
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3. What's the difference between a flip-flopper and a liar ??
Not much. And the Repubs know that. It's politics of personal destruction. It says to the voter: This person cannot be trusted. Democrats have never found an effective counter to this tactic by the Republicans and it is a deadly tactic.
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 09:06 AM
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4. Hi ErinBerin84,
Please be aware that DU copyright rules require that excerpts of copyrighted material be limited to four paragraphs.

best,
wakemeupwhenitsover
DU Moderator
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 09:07 AM
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5. I agree with every damn word of it. I think - as McCamy Taylor pointed out..
...it's pretty easy to spot the GOP/McSame/Lamestream media memes they're putting out there. And to see them parrotted on DU of all places, - by DUers or McSame operatives posting on DU - ought to be handled deftly by DUers so as not to proliferate the crap, at least, if we don't outright bombard the lamestream with the facts and nastygrams telling them we know they're lying - or find some way to get the TRUTH out there to squash bu$hit.

Maybe we need a daily or weekly recap of wingnut/lamestream media memes for DUers to read - and to discourage GOP / lamestream operatives from thinking about trying them here.

Whatever - but I agree with the OP/article.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 09:12 AM
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7. So basically don't believe anything the MsM says....check
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 09:25 AM
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8. good article. I heartily agree.
There's a big difference between challenging/questioning some of his positions
and cultivating doubt/fear about his ulterior political agenda.

I'm sure there are moles here on DU who've invested a lot of time and posts
to become 'trusted' DUers but whose agenda is to sow doubt and fear.

Kids, Doubt & Fear are the great evil gods of our time. Don't let them into
your head. Being a thinking person does not require either doubt or fear.


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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 11:19 AM
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12. I agree with you 100%. In my short time here for about 2 months or so I've seen a few posters who
I'd say are extremely commendable and have really seemed to give a lot to DU and Obama, do a complete about face and have mentioned a few questionable things which I thought most supporters of Obama would know better of.
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 10:06 AM
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9. Read George Lakoff
This is exactly what he says - don't let the opposition frame the argument - you have already lost if you do.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 10:11 AM
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10. Do you have a link?
I'm not familiar with him.

thanks in advance
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 11:10 AM
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11. here...
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 11:21 AM
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13. Don't Think of an Elephant should be required reading
It is a distillation of some of his longer works - spot-on analyses
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 12:14 PM
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17. That is not responsive to my question.
I think you need to read that book, you have allowed the GOP to frame the debate. Be very afraid, Obama doesn't like the constitution - that is the falsehood they have put forth and far too many are believing it because of a bill that is not as bad as it is alleged to be. It isn't perfect, but it isn't the affront to our constitutional rights as alleged.

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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 01:25 PM
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19. excuse me?
who are you responding to? You stated that you were not familiar with Lakoff so I posted a link to his book.

sheesh.

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 01:35 PM
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20. I do apologize
I misread your post, please forgive me.

I thought the title of the book was a slap against my posts, that I was being seen as having issues that the book would help with. I need to step away for sure, too much bickering with folks because I don't agree with them and some vocal dems. Its got me punchy, no excuse, just a weak effort to apologize and explain.


Again, I am so very sorry and I appreciate the information. :blush:
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 01:51 PM
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25. No problem. It's happened to me before too. This place can make you punchy! n/t
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 02:22 PM
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27. thank you for understanding
and accepting my apology.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 11:37 AM
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14. Kerry did a pretty good job of illustrating some of the flip-flops
of McCain yesterday. Pretty substantial ones- Our surrogates would to well to continue that tactic-
His 'flip-flop's are very provable, and fundemental-

peace~
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 11:38 AM
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15. McCain flip-flops daily.
Edited on Mon Jul-07-08 11:38 AM by anonymous171
He's like a fish out of water, flopping around, gasping for air.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 11:45 AM
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16. I read that Mark Halperin (of Time's The Page)
Edited on Mon Jul-07-08 11:46 AM by ErinBerin84
"broke" the bullshit "Iraq flip flop" story with the headline "Obama softens on Iraq", and that the AP picked up on it directly from him, along with the other outlets. We all know where Mark Halperin's sympathies lie (well, we have overt proof of it. All media outlets' sympathies lie with McCain, it goes without saying). Of course, Mark Halperin was on all of the weekend shows saying that it was "the biggest political story of the season". Does anyone know if he was the first person to write about it? The MSM has been setting this "story" up all of the last week it seems, but I wonder if they were all pick up on this particular snippet if Mark Halperin didn't have that headline. I thought that they might wait until after his Iraq trip to set the trap for Obama. And it now allows all channels to simply have the headline "Obama flip flops? Wiretapping, Iraq", with the reporters being all coy about the non-Iraq flippage.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 01:01 PM
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18. The GOP really knows how to play the Left.
Listen to their comments today. "Boy, that Obama is really flip flopping on Iraq. Now he's not going to bring them home in 16 months!"

These assholes want to stay in Iraq forever, but what do they argue? The same points we read daily here by the concern members. God knows if only people would be half as concerned that we could lose this election if the naysayers don't stop spending all their time worried about OUR nominee's drive to the center. You'd think it would be the GOP that is falling apart with McCain as their nominee, but the GOP has better sense than that, which is why they kick our asses in presidential elections so often. They know how to play the dissension that IS the Democratic left. Every four years, our leftmost party members act as if they're shocked, SHOCKED, that the nominee isn't dancing a jig to please them.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 01:46 PM
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24. Its also the Green/Socialist game.
There are some on the far left who want us to believe there's no difference between the two parties and they're willing to trash talk a liberal Democrat to prove it.
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Nia Zuri Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 01:43 PM
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22. Big, big kick. We are being played like fiddles
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 01:44 PM
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23. Excellent. Almost every post about Obama moving to the middle lacks substance.
I see a lot of spin on his words, misinterpretation of a position, and guilt by association games. What I don't see is specific, concrete examples of positions he changed.

Some people are expecting Obama to move to the middle (maybe because they supported someone else in the primary) and they seem eager to believe any article that tells them what they want to hear.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 02:16 PM
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26. Of course they lack substance, he didn't have to move at all...
Indeed, that was one of the primary reasons why I didn't support either him or Hillary during the primaries, too centrist, both of them. The only people who are surprised are those who didn't know his own policy positions on most issues.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 02:45 PM
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28. Oh come one.
Yes, its people like you who are bitter that their guy lost in the primary that are out there pushing the myth of Obama as a centrist. Get over it. And enough with the "i told you so" bullshit. Obama has a far more liberal career record than Edwards for those of us smart enough to look beyond a campaign speech. There's a good reason Kucinich backed Obama as the second choice in Iowa instead of Edwards this year.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 02:52 PM
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29. I asked you this before, and you have yet to answer, but can you name Obama's liberal positions?
Also, as far as Kucinich, well, he backed Obama because he knew that he had a better chance at winning over Edwards, and I viewed Edwards as too centrist as well, though he was slowly drifting leftwards.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 02:59 PM
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30. Now I see. Comment #24 must be about you.
Here's my list: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
Go to Obama's website. Its full of liberal positions. I don't feel obligated to define anything to the right of socialism as centrist.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 03:14 PM
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31. You may not feel obligated

to think so, but anything to the right of socialism is centrist, that is, if not rightwing then it might as well be.

Get a clue, and a new avatar, you do the man dishonor.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 03:20 PM
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33. Thanks for that comment.
It confirms my point that many on the left who call Obama centrist have an agenda that involves defining any and all Democrats as centrist, and it has nothing to do with where Obama really is on the issues. Its about getting people to abandon the two major parties and/or drop out of the political system all together in favor of direct action tactics. But at some point its dishonest to blur the differences between McCain and Obama, no matter how much some people want them to be the same.

Obama is the first left wing movement activist nominated by a major party. That's common in other countries where labor and other movement leaders also lead a political party. It hasn't happened in the US before and its a significant step forward.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 03:17 PM
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32. I don't expect the guy to abolish capitalism...
But I don't see much on his issues that are any further to the left of, for example, the DLC.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 03:35 PM
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34. Breaking up the media
aggressive clean energy plan with a pledge to build no new coal fire power plants
indexing the minimum wage to inflation with a move toward a living wage
opposed CAFTA and supports fair trade standards
protect and expand the right to organize a union

This isn't corporate DLC stuff.
Did you know Obama got more coverage in his local socialist newspaper through most of his state senate career than he got in the mainstream press? He's one of the few guys who represented an area where they have active, regular socialist meetings in the district.

And I don't think Kucinich would endorse anyone just because he thought they were going to win. He hasn't operated that way before so why should he now? It wasn't so clear who the nominee was going to be before Iowa.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 03:48 PM
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35. He needs to abandon the whole "clean" coal thing then...
as far as indexing minimum wage with inflation, well, I support a type of Federal Living Wage, that isn't a hard number, but basically a requirement the government sets forth to require all localities to have living wage laws that are related to local costs of living. Basically I don't oppose Obama's idea, but its only a first step, not an end result.

As far as being pro-fair trade, even the DLC lately has been making noises about putting in some environmental and human rights standards in trade agreements. And Obama's voting record in this regard has been sparse, not through anything that was his fault, he hasn't had a long history in the U.S. Senate after all, but it is mixed as well. I'm also concerned that he has freetrader Chicago School people as advisers.

Breaking up the media I support wholeheartedly, it would be nice if he supported reinstituting the fairness doctrine as well, but I guess we can't have everything.

Indeed, most of the stuff you listed I support, but then again, its only a minority of his positions, on most things, I agree with him hardly at all, but then again, that's better than not agreeing with McCain under any circumstances.

This is part of the reason why I will say I back Obama 30% percent of the time, and McCain 0% of the time. That's more or less my estimate for how much I agree with either, respectively.
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