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Mon Jul-07-08 06:38 PM
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Poll question: Obama's VP: BIDEN : KERRY : CLARK : EDWARDS - You Decide |
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Edited on Mon Jul-07-08 06:41 PM by rndmprsn
if you were limited to these 4 choices...who would you pick and why?
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Mon Jul-07-08 06:39 PM
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1. Webb is out. Biden is more likely, Kerry would be fine. |
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:25 PM
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59. After Clark "misspoke" about McCain last month, didn't Obama distance himself from Clark... ? |
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Edited on Mon Jul-07-08 11:00 PM by Radio_Lady
At least, some of the bloggers were saying that Clark would be dropped from consideration.
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Wed Jul-09-08 10:56 AM
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112. When did Clark "misspeak" about McCain? |
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If you're referring to the dustup the M$M made over him noting that McCain has very little leadership/executive experience and that, while his military service was honorable, it didn't provide him any specific qualifications to be president, I think we all know Clark was right and the media (and others) are misrepresenting Clark's comments.
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Mon Jul-07-08 06:39 PM
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3. Hopefully none of the Senators... We need them right where they are! n/t |
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Mon Jul-07-08 06:40 PM
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4. you might want to take Webb off since he's already a no-go. However.. |
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Could you please add LIEberman?
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Mon Jul-07-08 06:40 PM
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6. Why would Lieberman be on the list? |
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He's been out there attacking Obama for months and he supports McSame.
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Mon Jul-07-08 06:42 PM
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14. Yep, I want to know why Lieberman as well.... That would absolutely suck. n/t |
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Mon Jul-07-08 06:40 PM
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5. Kerry as VP choice would just be awkward |
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It just seems weird to me to have someone who ran on the top of the ticket be at the bottom of the ticket this time. And Kerry has become kind of polarizing due to unfair vilification from the right. I think he's a terrific choice for Secretary of State but not for VP.
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Mon Jul-07-08 06:41 PM
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Mon Jul-07-08 06:48 PM
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Why the hell would Obama make Lieberman his VP? Lieberman has been out smearing him for months.
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Mon Jul-07-08 07:06 PM
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24. well, it would be so awkward to have Kerry and his anti-corruption, pro-progressive, pro- |
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diplomatic votes.
We just as well have someone who has experiences as a VP contender. One who has an "in" with the current government. And one who knows how to kiss up to the President!
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Mon Jul-07-08 07:31 PM
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Who says the VP contender has to be someone who ran before?
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Mon Jul-07-08 09:18 PM
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48. Well, the media (hearts) LIEberman. And we want to win don't we? |
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LIEberman will lead us through Iraq--for 40 years instead of McCain's 100. And because the media (hearts) him, they will immediately stop uttering those right-wing talking points at Obama. And there's a saying about holding your friends close but your enemies closer...We can hold LIEberman very tight.. ;-)
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Mon Jul-07-08 06:42 PM
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13. My god, somebody who can make her point without using MSM talking points. |
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Edited on Mon Jul-07-08 06:43 PM by Mass
Thanks.
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:53 PM
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77. Nonsense, those who put country first-like Senator Kerry would have a problem serving wherever he |
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is needed. Other American leaders have done this.
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Mon Jul-07-08 06:41 PM
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Mon Jul-07-08 06:41 PM
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8. The benefits of LIEberman |
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Mon Jul-07-08 06:41 PM
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9. This poll is not base on KNOWLEDGE. Webb was on short list an refused. Kerry is also rumored. No |
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others in poll are on the short list. So what is the point? Only Kerry is a valid choice.
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Mon Jul-07-08 06:42 PM
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12. sorry...i am not perfect, neither are you |
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Mon Jul-07-08 07:07 PM
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25. You have NO idea who is on the short list. Please, give it a rest. |
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Your last post stating that it is an "embarrassment" to the campaign that Webb refused the Veep slot is just beyond ridiculous.
Your "concern" is unwarranted.
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Mon Jul-07-08 07:09 PM
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27. How do we KNOW Kerry is on a short list -- |
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and how do we KNOW the others are not?
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Mon Jul-07-08 07:13 PM
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33. Clark may be put on the short list since Webb refused. But he did not get a request |
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for information as of last week, from what I have heard.
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Mon Jul-07-08 07:18 PM
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35. Do you have inside info? |
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If so - don't keep us in suspense. There have to be more people than Webb and Kerry -- any insight?
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:28 PM
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60. Well, HOO then, BornAginHooligan??? Please submit your OTHER: |
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Edited on Mon Jul-07-08 10:30 PM by Radio_Lady
Thanks for your participation. Oops, just realized you're missing your "A" --- when did that happen?
On second edit: Maybe you should make it Born Agin' Hooligan -- stands for "born aging hooligan" -- see what you brought out? Let's play Scrabble! :sarcasm: :loveya:
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Mon Jul-07-08 06:45 PM
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15. I would love Kerry, but think it will be Biden. Besides, Kerry promised investigations of BushInc |
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and I want him in the senate uncovering Bush's corruption, and doing so with the cooperation of an Open Government Democratic President this time. Not like the 90s.
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Mon Jul-07-08 07:02 PM
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22. Biden voted for the Iraq War Resolution on 11 Oct. 2002. |
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Do we really need that on the ticket? I think Obama will pick somebody other than another senator.
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:36 PM
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64. I had no idea! Is that true? Did Biden apologize like Edwards did? |
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Tue Jul-08-08 06:45 AM
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105. I don't know if he apologized or not. Here is how they voted: |
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http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&vote=00237&session=2Apology or not, I think it is more simple to just avoid it altogether (I can just hear the Kerry thing coming up again).
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:52 PM
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76. Jack, I'm not a betting person, but I'm sure you don't have anything to worry about. |
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Not for VP, anyway.
Perhaps some other office, but I'd be willing to bet Kerry won't leave the Senate, especially now since Kennedy is ill. We lived in Massachusetts for years -- Kerry is a fixture there.
Keep the faith.
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Mon Jul-07-08 06:47 PM
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17. Kerry for VP and everyone else in the Obama cabinet. |
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Mon Jul-07-08 07:48 PM
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40. that was my thinking as well |
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I wasn't a fan of Kerry in '04, but I wouldn't mind seeing him as VP this time around.
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:55 PM
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78. See my post #76 just above. Kerry won't be the VP choice just as Gore won't be the VP choice. |
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Edited on Mon Jul-07-08 10:56 PM by Radio_Lady
See you in August... who knows? Maybe I'll have to eat my words!
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Mon Jul-07-08 06:50 PM
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19. Please God Not Biden! |
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36% credit cards...absolute tyranny by the banking industry. Biden is the worst possible choice, particularly in this economy.
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Mon Jul-07-08 08:08 PM
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42. Not much chance of that. I don't think Biden wants it very badly. |
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:59 PM
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80. I did resent him voting for that awful bankruptcy bill that has benefited only the banking industry |
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He does have the foreign policy experience, but when it comes down to it, I would rather have Senator Kerry. I think, like Gore, he actually should be president now.
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Mon Jul-07-08 06:54 PM
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20. The wingers are dying to go after Kerry on his "liberal" record |
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Remember how in '04 he was the most liberal senator? Two "most lib" senators doesn't feel like a go. And Massachusetts will vote for Obama anyway.
I'd prefer Edwards as AG. Clark is out since even Dems jumped down his throat over his McCain assertions. Too bad.
From your list Biden seems to fit the bill since Obama could use a running mate from a southern state. Delaware straddles that spot. Biden can be a good attack dog during the debates. His armed forces creds are good given his Senate committee spots over the years and he has a son in the military who served in the Middle East.
Biden is my choice.
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26. Wingers are so busy disociating themselves from BUSH and the REPELLS that |
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Kerry looks like a double-chocolate fudge brownie to a chocolate addict!
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:11 AM
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114. Clark may not be out. |
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Ever heard of "diversion?"
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Mon Jul-07-08 06:56 PM
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21. From that list? I'd reluctantly go with Clark or Biden |
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They both have upsides: Clark for his obvious military cred, Biden for his fighting spirit.
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Mon Jul-07-08 07:06 PM
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23. Biden. I love Kerry but I think Biden is the biggest get electorally |
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He'll play very well in OH and PA.
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Mon Jul-07-08 08:42 PM
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45. I think Kerry is better as MA Senator or SoS, but Kerry is easily |
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a better get electiorally. Consider that PA is where Teresa Heinz was their Senator's wife. I live in NJ and I met at least a few former Republicans who voted Kerry, based on their respect and admiration for Teresa. They had no doubt of Kerry's intelligence, and that Teresa married him meant as one said "he couldn't be a sleaze."
Remeber Biden never got above 7% in 2008 and found the water cold in 2004. Kerry came 59,000 people in Ohio from winning. (In fact, while Kerry was possibly running in 2008 he polled far above Biden.)
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Tue Jul-08-08 12:54 AM
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98. Biden would be better than Kerry. |
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Clark would be my second choice. Edwards will be AG. Biden might be Secretary of State. Two Senators on a ticket = president McLoon
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Mon Jul-07-08 11:12 PM
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88. You know, I like Richardson, but there is something inside me that says "no." |
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Maybe he will look better as the summer wears on.
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Mon Jul-07-08 07:10 PM
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29. looks like DU is pretty split on the VP choice |
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Mon Jul-07-08 07:27 PM
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36. Well, your poll is pretty narrow |
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Mon Jul-07-08 07:11 PM
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30. Clark covers all bases. |
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National security, foreign policy, diplomacy, economics, executive experience, military credentials far above and beyond McCain's. He brings everything we need.
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56. As usual when it comes to Clark I 100% agree with you, MrSlayer |
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Edited on Mon Jul-07-08 10:21 PM by dolo amber
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Mon Jul-07-08 11:15 PM
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90. Wesley has never held an elective office. Not even dog catcher! |
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But perhaps that's not a drawback at this point in time. I kind of like the guy in certain ways.
I'll tell you one thing... he's going to look REALLY SHORT next to Obama! :sarcasm:
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Tue Jul-08-08 01:06 AM
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100. That's an asset, he's no Washington insider, doesn't hurt the "Change" message. |
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And Supreme Allied Commander of NATO is an executive position as good as governor.
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125. My husband reminded me that Dwight D. Eisenhower was drafted with just military experience. |
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He apparently considered both the Democrats and the Republicans, but ended up running as a Republican.
Hubby is just five years older than I am, born in 1934 (me in 1939) so his memory of this is a bit sharper than mine.
Thanks for your comments.
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118. Clark would be great, I agree. |
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He could possibly bring along Arkansas or another southern-flavored state or two. As well as all the bases that MrSlayer mentioned Clark is a good intellectual match for Obama (whom I consider a genius). :kick:
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Mon Jul-07-08 07:11 PM
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31. Anyone besides Edwards/Kerry. |
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92. I know absolutely nothing about Tim Kaine. Is that good or bad? |
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After all, one of the things HILLARY CLINTON has going for her is NAME RECOGNITION.
That gets pointed out in poll after poll.
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The choices above don't interest me in the slightest. Most of those people have already run for President multiple times and lost. We need someone new, but with experience.
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Mon Jul-07-08 11:09 PM
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87. That's where I am now that Webb is out. One of those two red state Govs. |
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I could deal with Biden. No thanks to Kerry.
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94. Why am I not on fire about these two men? Simply because I don't think they are important... |
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but, of course, that could change.
I didn't know anything about Spiro Agnew, either.
"Spiro who?"
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Mon Jul-07-08 07:41 PM
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38. Robert Kennedy JR- YEAH! Highly esteemed and hard working! |
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:33 PM
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61. Might be a good choice, but then again... |
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Regrettably he is encumbered with a vocal problem that appears to be growing worse.
I try to listen to him on AAR's "Ring of Fire" but his voice makes me wince. I have a friend with that problem and he takes Botox injections (believe it or not!). It's not a cure, though.
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Mon Jul-07-08 07:42 PM
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39. what? More old white men? |
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:35 PM
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62. So, are we looking for an old white woman? A young white man? |
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Where are the boundaries of the box?
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106. No boundaries! This election is about change. |
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All genders, all ethnicities, all colors.
There are many many qualified people for VP who are not old white men with the same old ideals.
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69. Naw, I don't think so. He's pretty much found a place for himself... |
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Mon Jul-07-08 08:04 PM
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41. I'm playin' the game that it's down to those 4. |
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I think the actual list is quite a bit longer but very, very likely includes some or all of those 4, so here goes:
Ya got 2 Southerners and 2 New Englanders, you got several strong votes for the environment, several good votes for unions. Here and there a vote you'd rather they'd cast differently but the big-picture they paint with a sustained record over some many years is generally to your liking.
If you're big on labor Edwards might be your pick. Clark is going to attract a significant percentage of people for whom a polished military profile is key. I've never seen a Republican yet who can match Biden and Kerry on foreign policy, especially John Bolton who thought he could.
Classy wives to a person. A no-lose proposition on that count.
It would be extremely comforting to have any of the 4 of them making judicial appointments for 8 years. Extremely.
I think any of the 4 would work faithfully to help Barack Obama govern in a time of transition, and that their loyalty would be abiding and genuine and effective. Obama would be able to count on them as allies but also as bedrock friends. I think these 4 would like him a hell of a lot and he the same in return. I also think this would generate a lot of goodwill everywhere else in a given Cabinet.
Were anything to befall a President Obama any of the 4 you list could step in on a moment's notice and govern the nation. You've got 4 absolutely outstanding citizens there, with a lot to like in each.
I think Biden would stand up on the veep debate stage and completely devastate any Republican veep candidate on the entire spectrum of issues.
I'm seeing Clark as Sec. of Defense, and he would be rock-solid and intelligent in that job but unlike Rumsfeld, he would also be ethically sound. What a concept.
I like Edwards at Labor or as AG, doesn't matter which, because both are extremely influential at a time in our national life when working class people need a genuine advocate. They would have one such in John Edwards.
I want John Kerry as Secretary of State. I want John and Teresa stepping off a plane in every country they can land one in to represent us instead of that meringue-headed fool, Condi Rice. I want the best we've got in that job, and Kerry meets that criterion splendidly.
So with assignments for those three rooted in their extraordinary merit, I'm choosing Biden for the veep among the 4 you've given us to work with. They are great enough men and expansive enough spirits to interchangeably serve, were Obama to ask them to do reverse roles, or something else altogether. It's a happy puzzle to solve when the puzzle pieces gleam so.
Biden, then. SEVERAL great Democrats follow him in line on the Foreign Relations Committee. He'd kick serious butt in the public debate forum, and he's been one of the Great Democrats for decades.
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:20 PM
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55. great post - isn't it nice to have so many nice choices? |
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I lean toward Schweitzer or Biden for VP, Biden or Kerry for Sec of State.
Not sure where you're putting Delaware - it's mid-Atlantic or Northeastern, but not New England or South? I don't think geography matters as much as people think anyway (see Clinton-Gore and Bush-Cheney victories)
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Mon Jul-07-08 11:13 PM
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89. Hi, Joe. Sorry about the broad stroke there on Delaware. I'm a |
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Edited on Mon Jul-07-08 11:13 PM by Old Crusoe
Midwesterner and a lot of my conservative relatives felt that anything east of Cincinnati was "back east" generally and in politics, it was all "New England" or "East Coast," meaning "unacceptable."
Except to a small but fierce great aunt who instructed my cousins and I on the virtues of liberalism, Joe Biden included.
I've been fan for a long time.
Good point on the impact of geography in a computerized electoral landscape. I was surprised when Clinton chose Gore and disappointed when Gore chose Lieberman.
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Mon Jul-07-08 11:16 PM
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91. I'm an east-coaster who lived in the midwest for a while |
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and was quite suprised how long it took to drive through all those states :)
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93. LOL! I'm from there but couldn't much wait to get out. |
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It DOES take a long time to drive thru those states. For some folks, an entire lifetime, in fact!
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95. Really LOL! We are East Coaster folks now living on the West Coast! Most of the time, |
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all I did was FLY OVER the Midwest!
I've never been to Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Illinois (oh, sorry -- a few days on a business trip in the 90s and some time at O'Hare, but that doesn't count)!
I told my husband I want to go to all of the above, along with Idaho, Montana, and the two Dakotas... before we croak!
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102. Hi, Radio_Lady. I had to get out when I was younger, and lived in New York |
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City and Berkeley, along with some other places before moving back in late middle age!
'Have learned that there are some fine and undiscovered corners to just about anywhere, but my first Democrats -- the ones i loved earliest and volunteered for a bit later -- were all east coasters or west coasters, with the lone exception of Birch Bayh, I guess.
Yes -- you folks hit as many of these places as you can. There are always some powerfully beautiful things to see and do.
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Wed Jul-09-08 10:07 AM
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110. Hi Old Crusoe -- I think the price of airline tickets and gasoline will be putting a crimp in |
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our travel.
We may be back to the U.S. and environs.
Financially, we're hurtin' just like you other folks -- fixed income, unable to sell our home and scale down, it's kind of a hunkerin' down time.
Thanks for posting (sorry it took me a while to answer).
Warm regards,
Lady Ellen of Alpen Knolls
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Mon Jul-07-08 11:39 PM
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96. I was far too used to clicking off states driving N-S on the east coast! nt |
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:47 PM
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70. Yeah, everything Old Crusoe said... Biden works for me, |
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unless Ms. Clinton is still available. Nice photo of Biden:
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Mon Jul-07-08 11:04 PM
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83. "It's a happy puzzle to solve when the puzzle pieces gleam so"... |
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...Our Democrats GLEAM. Yes, they do! :7
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:16 AM
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116. Clark cannot be Secretary of Defense!!! |
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You've been on this board long enough to know this!!
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Mon Jul-07-08 08:10 PM
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43. Hillary is still my VP choice. Biden second. |
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:24 PM
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58. I'm with Shayes51. Clinton, then Biden. |
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Mon Jul-07-08 11:02 PM
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81. I don't see this at all. The Clinton's represent another time. n/t |
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Mon Jul-07-08 08:19 PM
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44. Clark. Because 1) He's already shown that he's not afraid of a fight. He's not going to |
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puss out and hesitate to speak the truth for fear of being called names, like every other ball-less Democrat. Clark actually has a pair. 2) Of all the issues, the only thing McCain has to offer is his military background, and if Clark is the VP nominee, there goes that. Even taking McCain's POW misadventure into account, he's still a guy who graduated near the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy; his military record is actually pretty undistinguished. Clark is a four-star general who has actually led a successful military campaign. I don't see how the Republicans could throw the military thing in his face.
Kerry!? Aw, fuck no. Kerry's the only one on that list who's actually at risk of contracting Dutch Elm disease. At least Clark also has some personal charisma. Kerry's a bowl of oatmeal in a suit. He's about as inspiring as a mayonnaise and Wonderbread™ sammitch.
Joe Biden's been around too long. I'm actually kind of tired of him. He's too much a creature of Washington by now. And he shares Kerry's excruciating tendency to never use five words when three or four hundred will do. I just can't see him appealing to voters.
And I could actually get behind Edwards, but he's already said he doesn't want it. I've heard his name being mentioned as a possible Attorney General nominee...
Clark, dudes. Clark. Say it with me.
Clark.
Claaaaaaark.
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Mon Jul-07-08 08:49 PM
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46. I guess you missed the 2004 primaries |
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With the good press and support from Bill Clinton, Clark actually connectred extremely well with some people and very poorly with many. Read his speeches - they are brilliant but they are far wordier and complicated than Kerry's or Biden's stump speeches. Kerry got himself elected both lt Governor and then Senator without the support of the party or the media. He is very compelling speaking to groups --- and has been since the 1970s.
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:50 PM
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75. Also, we're still left with the truth: Gen. Wesley Clark has never been elected to ANY office. |
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That was the biggest drawback for me during the primaries.
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:18 AM
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117. I don't care about that. |
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In fact, that's the least of my concerns.
I want a leader, someone honest and someone who'll stand up to the neocons. Whether they've been elected to an office before ranks about 110 on my top 100 list.
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Mon Jul-07-08 08:57 PM
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47. I think it's fucking atrocious if, indeed, the "party elders" |
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have already decided that Clark is "not viable" following his spot-on assessment of McCain in that interview! I guess Bob Shrum must still be pulling the strings behind the curtain...
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Mon Jul-07-08 09:31 PM
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49. I am amazed that you could have such an exciting life that John Kerry's seems boring |
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After all everyone is the top college debater for their colleges years - and was the president of the student union for 2 years (the first Junior to get that posiution) bringing in reknown political speakers. Not to mention, he corresponded with Winston Churchhill's wife after meeting her when he was 10.
He was a highly decorated Vietnam Veteran, the most respected leader of the anti-war movement impressing Congress and the nation with his passion, morality and eloquence. As a prosecutor, he took the MAFIA to court and put leading figures in jail ... and set up the first rape counseling program in a DA's office, copied through MA. He lead the effort as LT to set up a sulfur cap and trade program for acid rain. He is easily one of the most interesting people in the Seanet.
He is an athlete riding 100plus mile bike races at 64 and, I bet you heard, he winsurfs. He is a piulot, he hunts and he rides a motorcycle.
The best case that he is a bit more interesting than you think? Teresa Heinz Kerry married him.
It may be that when speaking on a serious topic, he is serious and thoughtful. In his public life he is dignified and responsible - something that people used to want in their leaders. Otherwise, just vote for Madonna - you likely won't find her boring.
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Mon Jul-07-08 09:57 PM
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being able to attract voters. Now weigh that against your list.
Kerry won a primary and got 59 million votes in a GE. Weigh that against your list too.
Want pictures?
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:00 PM
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They love to chirp when you post facts. :rofl:
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:59 AM
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120. I've got two pictures: |
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:42 PM
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68. "Step Right UP, folks. Get your freshly imprinted T-shirts here!" |
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Mon Jul-07-08 09:54 PM
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50. None of the above. Clinton, so Obama will get the votes of more of her supporters. The recent CNN |
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poll http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/04/clinton.poll/index.htmlshows why it's important for her to be on the ticket. I don't know if Obama will ask her to be his running mate, but I believe he'll be hurting his own chances of winning in November if she isn't on the ticket.
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Mon Jul-07-08 11:06 PM
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86. Oh, my goodness! I'm not the only one who crawled out of the woodwork! Thanks, highplainsdem! |
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I'm with you 100%. Thanks for the link.
Furthermore, if the Democrats put a woman -- ANY other woman than Hillary -- in for VP, I am not sure I will vote for that woman at all.
The fact remains that Hillary beat all of the men listed above in the primaries, and came in second.
Furthermore, if the Democrats give the nod to some other female whom most of us have never even heard of, and who was NOT even tested in the primaries, that will be a VERY big mistake, IMHO.
The Kennedy-Johnson ticket wasn't perfect, but it held up pretty well in November 1960 and then again in November 1963.
(I'd appreciate it if you would not aim any conspiracy bullcrap at me. This ticket does not necessarily mean there will be an assassination!)
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:01 PM
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53. Clark is history. Biden and Kerry represent the "old" politics that leaves Edwards |
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only from the short list and he has already said, been there done that, got the t-shirt.
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:16 PM
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54. Obama/Clark - McCain/Cheney |
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:35 PM
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63. Wesley Clark. Fuck the media and the GOP. |
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:48 PM
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71. Going for Wes would certainly do what you suggest, |
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which is exactly what should be done.
just hope that ob can do it, and dems will appreciate it.
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:38 PM
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65. Anybody, and I mean ANYBODY, but Edwards. |
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In political terms, it would be a disaster. Edwards has no more experience than Obama, is a senator like Obama, and couldn't even carry his home state last time. He brings nothing to the ticket except a minor faction of strong supporters. Outside of his strong supporters, he is seen as disingenuous and phony. He may be the one candidate that could prevent Obama from winning.
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:40 PM
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A 4 star NATO supreme commander with 'ZERO' US casualties.
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:50 PM
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74. among other attributes! |
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:48 PM
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72. I would find any of these acceptable except Kerry. n/t |
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Mon Jul-07-08 10:50 PM
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73. Kerry. He has foreign policy experience, military experience, a diplomatic background, |
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is a familiar name, has a respectful following and has proven himself to be a true leader. He has his detractors, but they are a small RW group and a few lefty freepers, but many people has come to respect Senator Kerry judgment on matters of importance since his hard fought loss in 2004. He was and continues to be right on so many issues that affect us all.
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Mon Jul-07-08 11:06 PM
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84. Biden and I like Wexler too, why don't you list him? |
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Mon Jul-07-08 11:06 PM
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85. I think we are all getting ahead of ourselves here. Obama will chose who he will. |
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He is the candidate. And, whomever he choses, even if it isn't my favorite, I will support and fight for the ticket.
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Tue Jul-08-08 12:49 AM
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97. Any one of those would be fine with me. |
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Tue Jul-08-08 12:57 AM
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99. you forgot Sebelius.... |
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Wed Jul-09-08 12:41 PM
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123. Again, she has a little problem. Name record/recognition to 99.9% of the folks not in Kansas. |
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She wouldn't be in Kansas anymore... pulling into Washington with less experience than Obama.
There isn't a woman around who could get us votes better than Hillary.
Of course, she would lose some, too.
But that's the typical way to get UNITY.
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Tue Jul-08-08 01:07 AM
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101. My two picks: Joe Biden or Jack Reed. |
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He has honor and principles ... and the balls to stand up for them
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Tue Jul-08-08 08:07 AM
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107. Clinton first choice, Biden second. |
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Those are the two choices that will win the election.
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Wed Jul-09-08 10:08 AM
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111. Pretty much agree with you, cricket08. Just my 2 cents, of course. |
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Biden is a good man too, very articulate. Kerry and Edwards both carry that losers tag.
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:03 AM
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113. Eliminate the 3 war voters and you are left with Clark. |
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:13 AM
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115. If it had to be one of those four, I would pick Wesley Clark. n/t |
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:55 AM
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119. Out of those 4 listed, Clark is the only one viable. |
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Two Senators On This Ticket = pResident McLoon.
Edwards isn't a senator anymore but he'd be far better as Attorney General.
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Wed Jul-09-08 12:39 PM
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122. Dunno. He's charming, Hispanic, good talker... New Mexico governor. |
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Could be -- who knows?
Kicked for Wednesday, 7/9
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Wed Jul-09-08 12:56 PM
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124. Clark for Veep, Edwards for Attorney General... |
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Clark complements Obama nicely, adding the area of high-level military decision-making to the mix.
I like John Edwards a lot, but he's better suited to serve as Attorney General.
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