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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 10:51 AM Original message |
Prominent civil liberties activist sides with Obama on FISA |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
1. Any comments? |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. But |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Telco immunity is a bad thing, but not the end |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
39. No, the Republic has been gone for awhile. This is just another step toward empire. |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
2. Exactly |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
3. Very interesting. Thank you. |
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MarjorieG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
4. Realizing there's honest FISA disagreement, there is more unwilling to see. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
6. That is what Steny Hoyer said....it is to keep the Blue Dog Dems from voting Republican |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Steny sucks, but it's very possible that he's telling the truth. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Then we cave in. Just like Iraq. Just like all the other stuff. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
8. Thanks for posting this. The panic stricken among us really should take the time |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. The sky-is-falling martyrs are the very ones who WON'T grasp the significance of this. n/t |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. What IS the significance. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. 27 groups are wrong...and Halperin is right. So be it. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
10. We are rationalizing this cave in away....just like we did Iraq. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Is Mort Halperin a sellout capitulator? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Oh hell, yes...nuance. There's the key. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
14. There are DUers who have done the same. MERH for instance... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
15. Then you need to question all of these groups...27 groups oppose the bill strongly |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. My point is that maybe, just maybe, there is |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. A majority of Dems voted against this bill. Go check Tomas about the House vote. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Exactly. The group that Halperin works for is against the legislation. So is Haliprin, but |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Like we went to Iraq out of fear. When do we quit giving in to fear. |
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shagsak (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. if all of these groups oppose it, |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
19. It is clear that the bill is a much more involved piece of legislation than what has been previously |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
21. Wow, whenever I've defended the Obama on FISA here, I've been attacked |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Sorry I didn't see your posts, because I would have been in your corner all the way.... |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
40. Call them out on the fact they haven't read the bill. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
26. I bet if you tried, you could think of more creative names |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. What are you talking about? |
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mloutre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
27. Yep. I posted this Morton Halperin op-ed over in GD earlier this morning, but it sank |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. The problem with so many topics - can't get to all of them.Thanks for listing here - I went, posted |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
32. Most people in Congress do even know the extent of this |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
33. Compromising the Constitution - Editorial |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Thank you. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. YW n/t |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
35. I never heard of "Morton H. Halperin"... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. The Open Society Policy Center opposes this FISA bill. Halperin is speaking for himself, not his Org |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
37. And they side with Bush, somehow that is not comforting... |
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