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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 12:41 PM
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To Defeat McCain, We Must Defeat Supply-Side Economics
Edited on Tue Jul-08-08 12:42 PM by Zynx
In his recent economic proposals, John McCain has proposed the same tired old supply-side B.S. that the Republicans have been spewing for years. This is the idea that tax cuts create such rapid economic growth that they more than make up for their revenue loss.

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McCain is in favor of extending the Bush tax cuts, which are set to expire in 2010.

The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities has projected that by extending the cuts, which McCain originally opposed, and including the additional cuts McCain has proposed, the deficit for 2013 would be somewhere around $439 billion to $445 billion.

McCain disputes those figures because "they're static numbers -- not saying that revenues will increase with a strong economy and with low taxes. That's the difference, and I respectfully disagree."
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/08/mccain/index.html

The truth is completely contrary to what he suggests. The following is government receipts, ex-Social Security taxes though the general results hold almost exactly the same with them as well, during the Clinton years, the George W. Bush Years, and the Reagan years.

Clinton Years
Receipts 1993: $842 billion
Receipts 2001: $1.483 trillion
Growth: 76%

Bush Jr. Years
Receipts 2001: $1.483 trillion
Expected 2009: $ 2.086 trillion
Growth: 40.6%

Reagan Years
Receipts 1981: $469 billion
Receipts 1989: $727 billion
Growth: 55%

Source: Congressional Budget Office

As you can see, Clinton had much faster growth in general government revenues following a tax increase than Bush and Reagan did following tax cuts. This is also even though Bush and Reagan had higher rates of inflation than did Clinton which has the effect of boosting government revenues artificially. None of these results should surprise people, but we need to make the point again and again that supply-side economics is a bunch of B.S. and it has empirically been proven to be as much. This is an ideological debate that we need to have in order to beat McCain in this election, and Republicans in general in future elections. They keep repeating the same tripe McCain said that I pointed out earlier and if it is not refuted, people will begin to believe it.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 12:48 PM
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1. aka VooDoo economics
"trickle down" economics does NOT WORK when the obscene profits and retained earnings are used to pay fat bonuses and offshore more jobs. All those tax cuts "trickle" out of the country.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 12:51 PM
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3. It is certainly true in the effect on the economy at large. I was speaking solely
in regards to fiscal matters, but your point is well taken.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 12:51 PM
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2. I was gonna say-- reality has defeated supply side economics
Although lots of fools continue to spout that crappy Trickle Down stuff.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 12:52 PM
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4. We need to beat it down to a fringe 10% position.
Currently I bet 40% of the country believes in it and that is far too much.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 01:48 PM
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8. You're right. Far too many coast along on false platitudes.
Like golly, if you give tax cuts to the rich, they'll invest and create jobs. Even as we're living with the opposite results.

Like privatization makes government more efficient. Just be sure not to calculate how much of the debt we've incurred for invading & occupying Iraq was for war profiteering. Just be sure you don't compare the costs of no-bid-contract privatization and the same services as managed previously in-house.

Don't look back. Just go with the easy phrasing. Private sector good. Government bad. McCainomics.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 01:18 PM
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5. kick for comment
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dtotire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 01:21 PM
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6. Article from Time Magazine
Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
Thursday, Dec. 06, 2007 By JUSTIN FOX

Virtually every economics Ph.D. who has worked in the Bush Administration acknowledges that the tax cuts of the past six years haven't paid for themselves.

If there's one thing that Republican politicians agree on, it's that slashing taxes brings the government more money. "You cut taxes, and the tax revenues increase," President Bush said in a speech last year. Keeping taxes low, Vice President Dick Cheney explained in a recent interview, "does produce more revenue for the Federal Government." Presidential candidate John McCain declared in March that "tax cuts ... as we all know, increase revenues." His rival Rudy Giuliani couldn't agree more. "I know that reducing taxes produces more revenues," he intones in a new TV ad.

If there is one thing that economists agree on, it's that these claims are false. We're not talking just ivory-tower lefties. Virtually every economics Ph.D. who has worked in a prominent role in the Bush Administration acknowledges that the tax cuts enacted during the past six years have not paid for themselves--and were never intended to. Harvard professor Greg Mankiw, chairman of Bush's Council of Economic Advisers from 2003 to 2005, even devotes a section of his best-selling economics textbook to debunking the claim that tax cuts increase revenues.

The yawning chasm between Republican rhetoric on taxes and even informed conservative opinion is maddening to those of wonkish bent. Pointing it out has become an opinion-column staple. But none of these screeds seem to have altered the political debate. So rather than write yet another, I decided to find out what Arthur Laffer thought.
Laffer is a bona fide economist with a doctorate from Stanford. He's also largely responsible for the Republican belief that tax cuts pay for themselves. Now 67, Laffer runs economic-consulting and money-management firms in Nashville. About the best I could get out of him on the question of whether the Bush tax cuts have paid for themselves was "I don't know." But that's only part of the story.

It's a saga that began in a bar near the White House on a December afternoon in 1974. Huddled at a meeting arranged by Wall Street Journal editorial writer Jude Wanniski were Cheney, then the deputy chief of staff to Republican President Gerald Ford, and Laffer, who was teaching at the University of Chicago's business school after a stint in the Nixon White House. In trying to explain to Cheney why a tax hike mooted by the President might not be such a great idea, Laffer drew a chart on a napkin that showed government revenues increasing as the tax rate moved up from 0% but then turning around and heading back toward zero as it neared 100%.
The idea that high tax rates brought diminishing returns was not controversial or even new--Laffer traces it to 14th century Muslim philosopher Ibn Khaldun. But few economists in the 1970s even considered that real-world tax rates could be on the wrong side of the Laffer Curve. Laffer thought they might be, and Wanniski argued on the Journal's editorial page and elsewhere that they almost certainly were. The claim became a key plank of Ronald Reagan's successful 1980 campaign for President.
And how did things work out? Laffer is convinced that the reduction of the top tax rate from 70% to 28% during the Reagan years paid for itself--in part by encouraging the rich to stop finagling--and the evidence mostly backs him up. "You find these enormous responses in the upper brackets," Laffer says. "These guys fire their lawyers and accountants and actually pay their taxes. Yay! Isn't that what we want them to do?"

But Reagan's tax cuts for the nonrich were big money losers, and it took the fiscal discipline of Bill Clinton to mop up the resulting red ink. Laffer gushes with praise for Clinton, but he's also a fan of Clinton's successor. "What Clinton did was, he gave Bush the fiscal flexibility to do what was right," Laffer says. In the face of the recession and terrorist attacks of 2001, Bush "needed to stimulate the economy and spend for defense, and Clinton gave him the ability to do that."

In other words, the Bush tax cuts were meant to create big deficits. But Laffer's O.K. with that. "The Laffer Curve should not be the reason you raise or lower taxes," he says. Perhaps not, but it does make for great campaign promises.


http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1692027,00.html


McCain says that Nobel Prize economists agree with his proposals. He is lying.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 01:29 PM
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7. Good find! Thank you!
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 02:32 PM
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9. Supply side all the time kills a nations currency
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 07:58 PM
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10. That's also true.
They look on a weak currency as a virtue.
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