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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 03:05 PM
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Only an idiot (Jonah Goldberg) would compare volunteerism to slavery
July 08, 2008

Slavery!

by hilzoy

Jonah Goldberg strikes again:

"There's a weird irony at work when Sen. Barack Obama, the black presidential candidate who will allegedly scrub the stain of racism from the nation, vows to run afoul of the constitutional amendment that abolished slavery.

For those who don't remember, the 13th Amendment says: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime ... shall exist within the United States."

I guess in Obama's mind it must be a crime to be born or to go to college.

In his speech on national service Wednesday at the University of Colorado, Obama promised that as president he would "set a goal for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year."

He would see that these goals are met by, among other things, attaching strings to federal education dollars. If you don't make the kids report for duty, he's essentially telling schools and college kids, you'll lose money you can't afford to lose. In short, he'll make service compulsory by merely compelling schools to make it compulsory."

Maybe in the schools Jonah Goldberg attended, they didn't require things like homework, or attendance, or reading, or math. It would explain a lot. (The idea that he wasn't asked to work his way through all those analogies in preparation for the SATs alone would probably explain most of the "arguments" in Liberal Fascism.)

For the rest of us, though, there have always been lots of compulsory things in schools. If this counts as slavery, children have been enslaved since compulsory schooling began.

I can't wait for Jonah Goldberg's sudden discovery that some children are told -- told!! -- to clean their rooms.


Tuesday, July 08, 2008

LA Times writer calls Obama "the black presidential candidate," says he want to bring back "slavery"

John Aravosis (DC) · 7/08/2008 11:00:00 AM ET
This is what passes for legitimate journalism in the corporate media nowadays. The Los Angeles Times, like the New York Times, decided to hire a far-right activist writer in the hopes that this might stop conservatives from being mean to them. How's that working for you? The LA Times' conservative just called Obama "the black presidential candidate" and accused him of trying to bring back "slavery." Funny, but I'm guessing that an African-American doesn't need a lecture on slavery from some guy named Jonah Goldberg. How many times does the Los Angeles Times and New York Times need to cringe at something these conservatives have written before they realize that these guys don't practice journalism, they practice Limbaughism. They're literary shock jocks. Their "columns" are nothing more than political performance art. It's all about being vulgar and getting attention, all at the expense of their victim, their newspaper, and their own credibility.




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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 03:07 PM
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1. Hey, Jonah! Not every boy's mommy bought them a career!
I wonder if he knows people call him Doughy Pantload?
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 03:18 PM
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10. Yeah. where is mommy dearest..
isn't it about time for her to make an appearance.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 03:09 PM
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2. lol

and he wants people to lose weight and get fit too.

If we simply returned to 1960s level of obesity it would save trillions and make universal health care easily accomplished.

I suppose that he will be comparing him to the SS next.
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 03:11 PM
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3. it must still be silly season
this shit would be funny if the stakes weren't so high
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 03:13 PM
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4. Well . . .
I wouldn't call it slavery, but I am against compulsory public service requirements. If it's required, it's no longer volunteerism. Volunteerism is, by definition, voluntary (DUH I know).

So if Obama is going to tie school funding to public service, I am against that. Kids can of course be required to fulfill educational goals, but I don't think the government has the right to force a student to perform public service.

This is a case of good intentions but bad policy. Encouraging public service is great. Requiring it infringes on our personal freedom.

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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 03:15 PM
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5. You can pay the money back
instead of involuntary servitude.

Sheesh!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 03:18 PM
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9. That's a weak argument.
I remember the truancy problem in the 1970s. Requiring kids to show up for school is compulsory. Some people tried to argue that it was an infringement on personal freedom.



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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 03:28 PM
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12. Just don't call it "volunteering."
That's an insult to everybody's intelligence, especially real volunteers.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 03:34 PM
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14. It is volunteering to anyone with any intelligence.
People volunteer to join the military, can they just get up and walk away if they feel like it?

There are many levels of volunteerism, including the Peace Corp. It's not just going canvassing or going down to the food bank on a weekend to help out once or twice. All important, but all requiring different levels of commitment.

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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 06:58 AM
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18. wrong
I don't mean attending school is forced servitude. But forcing a kid to pick up trash along the road, or work in a soup kitchen, etc. is coerced labor. I disagree with that.

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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 03:33 PM
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13. Its not compulsory.
Just because that jackass who wrote the piece says it is doesnt make it so. :eyes:
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cags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 03:55 PM
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15. I liked the idea until I read your post... maybe a reward then for volunteering
Many middle income families who are just out of the income level to recieve aid still can't afford college because they use there income to get into better neighborhoods or better school districts for their children
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 03:16 PM
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6. You know his mother was a jackal, right?!
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 03:18 PM
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7. I guess I was a slave for 2 1/2 years for my country...
Edited on Tue Jul-08-08 03:18 PM by YOY
It was the toughest indentured servitude I ever loved.
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 03:18 PM
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8. "literary shock jocks" ! I love that one.
So very true.
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predfan Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 03:26 PM
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11. Substitute the term "sweat equity"
If I understand this plan, you can pay off your loans by doing public service work. Hey Jonah, ever done any public service work?

Jerk.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 04:05 PM
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16. Not slavery, but it is blackmail
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 07:57 AM
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19. Trading work for money is blackmail?
interesting take.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 04:11 PM
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17. The only reason that idiot has a job at all is because of who his mommy is
Edited on Tue Jul-08-08 04:11 PM by depakid
Aside from having an obviously below the mean IQ, the guy (quite literally at times) is delusional.

I saw an interview with him on some show where he was pressed about his ridiculous book, and the guy
babbled on senselessly, unable to respond to questions.

Yet American papers continue to print his drivel. Is it any wonder why circulation is spiraling down?
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