So Senator Obama voted yes on FISA and Senator Clinton voted no?

[Seen the light]

My world has just been turned upside down. :(

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[democrattotheend]

4. Welcome to DU!

[LowerManhattanite]

35. And farewell. n/t

[democrattotheend]

2. Smart politics on her part

Give some of Obama's netroots supporters buyer's remorse. I applaud her for her vote but she would not have voted that way if she were the nominee.

[TeamJordan23]

8. agree. nm

[leftofcool]

3. Go Hillary!

I knew she would vote the right way

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[emilyg]

165. I love Hillary.

[TwilightGardener]

5. Clinton is not running for anything. She doesn't matter now. If the situation was

reversed, I guaran-damn-tee you that Little Miss Obliterate Iran would have voted for it to prove her manliness, just like she did with the IWR.

[FredfromSpace]

10. Either way, we are all losers.

On this day of shame.

[TwilightGardener]

11. Somehow, we shall go on.

[FredfromSpace]

129. I fear this plays into the Puke's hands more than a YEs would have

They are already using it in fact., you know, another "flip-flop" to prove that he is "just another politician"....

They may even be on to something, which is the real tragedy here....

[TwilightGardener]

131. Obama voted against telecom immunity, but refused to obstruct final passage

of the bill. A flip-flop would be if he suddenly came out and spoke in favor of telecom immunity.

[FredfromSpace]

134. He also promised to support a filibuster.

Which is what the cloture vote was.

He broke that promise.

It will come back over and over to haunt him.

And it should.

[TwilightGardener]

137. So, you hope he loses? Is that what you mean by "haunt him"?

[FredfromSpace]

149. I still hope he wins

But not as enthusiastically as I would have...

He's just another lousy, half-assed Dem candidate now.

I always end up voting for them.

But boy am I sick of it.

[TwilightGardener]

150. Calling him "lousy" and "half-assed"--Free Republic is that-a-way.

[FredfromSpace]

154. Who Are the Brain Police?

nt

[nosmokes]

155. Which is voting for the war after voting against it.

I ain't voting for anyone that voted to kill the fourth amendment, not for any office. If they're willing tho sell out that one what other rights o mine are they willing to give up to keep the corporations inviolate?

[Seen the light]

14. But isn't she still angling to be on the ticket?

She's at least still on the top tier right?

[gateley]

141. If that's the case

(angling to be on the ticket) then she's to be even more HIGHLY commended for her vote.

Either way, she did the right thing and she deserves our gratitude for that.

[BOSSHOG]

26. Is your post

supposed to be a compliment for Senator Obama? Are you saying if he wasn't the nominee he would have voted differently? I'll just keep reminding myself that the makeup of the supreme court is the reason I will vote come November.

[TwilightGardener]

32. Yep--he would have voted differently, if he didn't have the welfare of the entire Democratic party,

the nation, even the WORLD riding on the outcome of this election.

[Seen the light]

39. I still don't see how a "no" vote would have been so damning come November

Most people don't even know what FISA is. I don't get how we're supposed to believe that this would have been such a devastating issue for him if he had voted "no" come November.

[TwilightGardener]

45. Ad: "Barack Obama voted NO on spying on foreign terrorists--will he keep America safe?"

That's why. The more complex and arcane the issue, the easier it is for the GOP to dumb it down into a fear-factor weapon.

[Seen the light]

74. But McCain missed the vote completely

Wouldn't he have to explain why he missed it if it was that important to stopping TERRUH?

[TwilightGardener]

81. You are counting on the media to inform people that McCain didn't bother?

Really?

[Seen the light]

104. I don't know? Skip the media completely and put it in a response ad?

Sorry, just feel kind of jaded and cynical today. I'm sure I'll snap out of it tomorrow.

However, I think Senator Clinton voted the way she did just to make this feel even worse. Yes, that's right. I think she voted for one way and one reason only: to spite Seen the light. :)

[TwilightGardener]

108. I think she voted against it because she has NO upcoming elections--

why the heck wouldn't she? There's no risk to taking the "pure" Dem stance for her right now.

[LVjinx]

175. So the only reason for dems to vote like dems is if they're up for re-election? Pathetic.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

85. McCain has missed more votes than Obama but the talking point is *only* about Obama's missed votes.

McCain has flip flopped much more than Obama, but the talking point is only about Obama the flip flopper.

[comradebillyboy]

153. you are correct

Obama would improve his chance at victory in November by standing up for what he purportedly believes in and demonstrating his willingness to fight for his beliefs instead of throwing them in the toilet. People like a fighter more than they like a compromiser.

[BOSSHOG]

51. So after he gets the nomination

he's going to concede the election to mccain? I guess I'll divorce my wife for the good of our marriage.

[TwilightGardener]

56. Why are so many people bringing Teh Stoopid today?

Talk about hyperbole and melodrama. Holy Christ.

[BOSSHOG]

63. I have no idea Wiener

please share with us why?? Ya got the old he is never wrong cult blood all boiled up today?? And thanks for throwing the stupid word around. What a great teammate you continue to be.

[Dogmudgeon]

Guess what, WD?

Obama just became Little Lord Bush-Gets-A-Pass.

Just like "he" (Hillary) did with the IWR.

We need to get on the phones -- now.

My Democratic Senator, Bob Casey, is a big Obama promoter. So my phone may be tied up for a while.

--p!

[TwilightGardener]

43. No equivalence between allowing the FISA bill to pass and giving Bush

the permission to kill thousands upon thousands for no reason. None. FISA is not the Iraq War. FISA is actually a necessary law, although its components can be argued.

[polmaven]

113. Please tell me why

EVERYTHING needs to be turned around into a reason the bash Hillary and/or Bill Clinton!

I will say again what I have said so many times!!!! THE PRIMARIES ARE OVER!!!! It is time to focus on turning Senator Obama into President Obama! Bashing the Clintons is a distraction from that goal. TIME TO GET OVER IT!!!!!!

[JoFerret]

180. Eat your nice rhubarb

But don't eat the leaves - they are poisonous.

Thank goodness we have someone tuff on terra.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

7. Obama is running for president. Senator Clinton is not.

Obama is about to have a barrage of ads attacking his patriotism thrown against him for the next 4 months.

It sucks, but that is the absolute, cold reality of it. It's politics.

[Drunken Irishman]

13. Especially if there is another "terrorist" attack.

And it doesn't have to be on American soil...maybe a base in the Middle East.

[leftynyc]

17. Hmmm

I don't remember that being a valid excuse when Sen Clinton voted for IWR. Can someone please explain what has changed.

[TwilightGardener]

21. FISA is going to kill thousands of people, including our soldiers, and cost

us trillions? Really? Those two votes are equivalent in consequence? REALLY?

[leftynyc]

62. Oh - I get it

Politicians can practice politics SOMETIMES. It's a sliding scale. I didn't realize that. This is just a bill that can destroy the country from the inside - that's all.

[TwilightGardener]

78. This bill won't destroy the country. Please. It's not perfect, it may have

a harmful impact in some ways, it may not be what we want, but it won't destroy the country. Hissyfit City today.

[leftynyc]

84. You honestly don't see how this

bill could destroy lives here? How it can be abused - especially with this administration? Aint nothing hissy fit about it.

[TwilightGardener]

93. I repeat: One foreign surveillance bill will not destroy the country.

Yes, there, I said it.

[Radio_Lady]

100. ACLU plans to fight it anyway after Bush OKs it.

Check GD and LBN for this story.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

27. Obama is the presumptive nominee, not a primary contender?

[leftynyc]

60. I'm voting for Sen Obama regardless

I'm just surprised that people here have finally discovered that politicians practice politics. What was unforgivable is now politics. Such is life.

[Redbear]

30. Maybe she is smarter now.

A LOT of people were fooled by the Bush admin's lies about Iraq.

[leftynyc]

57. True dat

I know republicans that have left the party because of what the chimp has done.

[merh]

83. Yeah, she is smarter

that's why her fellow Mark Penn is owed a bundle by her and he did so well for her and then there was that Columbia deal and now he is teaming up with Karen Hughes.

:crazy:

[LaurenG]

36. It's irrelevant but voting for a bill you didn't read is quite different

especially now that 4000 Americans are dead. But like I said it's water under the bridge, Obama is the nominee so it doesn't matter unless he chooses her as his VP.

[leftynyc]

55. Will people be more forgiving of the

vote in the GE? I'm not sure about that.

[LaurenG]

82. I would. I don't know about others.

:shrug:

[polmaven]

116. If it is irrelevant

why did you feel the need to say it?

[LaurenG]

162. For the same reason you thought to reply to me I suspect. nt

[newmajority]

54. If Hillary was "running for President" in 2002

Then that was pretty fucking stupid of her? She campaigned for 6 years and still lost. :rofl:

[leftynyc]

68. Oh - so that's what matters

If you're running for President, you're allowed to pander. I hadn't realized that. I'll keep that in mind.

[newmajority]

122. You're the one making that argument, not me.

I don't think Hillary was campaigning for President in 2002. I just think she was 100% compliant with the PNAC agenda. Or at least the slightly whitewashed PPI version. (her buddy Will Marshall signed both)

[leftynyc]

143. Not really

I think that vote was a nod to her constituency. And it's not like hers was the tie breaking vote. What I'm finding amusing is what was unforgivable during the primaries is glossed over in the GE. Like every season has it's time, so does, apparently, pandering.

[Marie26]

But Clinton co-sponsored

the amendment to strip telcom immunity while she was running in February. I just can't see the FISA vote being a dealbreaker - it's not something most Americans know about, & if they do know, most Dems & many Independents don't like it.

[Marie26]

58. dupe. nt

[BeyondGeography]

9. Someone's running for President in 2008

and someone's playing for the left that rejected her this time around for 2012.

Surprise, surprise.

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[BeyondGeography]

19. Right, Mr. 8 posts

Glad you were feeling fought for with that whole IWR thingy.

[vaberella]

25. Obama voted against the war in Iraq, Hillary votef for it---when was she always fighting for us?!

[SemiCharmedQuark]

He did not vote against it. He spoke out against it.

[polmaven]

120. He was a legislator in Illinois

when that vote was taken....He was not a Senator.

[mvd]

15. Well, this way Obama can have it both ways

He voted against the immunity part of the bill while preserving the overall "stop terror" message of the bill. I don't like it, but it might be smart.

[liberal1973]

22. I don't think so

[mvd]

33. What I mean is it could be smart framing of the message

Again, though, we should have had enough Dems for a filibuster of the overall bill - with or without Obama.

[Marie26]

61. Yeah, sort of like voting "present". nt

[SemiCharmedQuark]

65. I think that's a misunderstanding of how the "present" vote works in Illinois.

With regard to that womens' rights bill.

[Marie26]

69. Perhaps. But the larger point stands.

"Present" triangulates both positions & avoids making a stand. Like voting for Dodd's amendment & then voting for the FISA bill anyway.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

79. That strategy was proposed by the Illinois Planned Parenthood. They asked Obama to vote that way.

and he did.

I agree with your underlying premise, but being an Illinois citizen, that particular "present" talking point irks me.

[mvd]

101. Hi, SCQ!

:hi:

It's a bad bill (my mom was even called during the height of the spying while doing GENEALOGY business overseas - they pretended to be the bank,) but some pandering happens in GEs, unfortunately. I would have taken the risk and voted the other way.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

140. Yeah, it is a bad bill

I would have voted the other way. But then again, I would probably never get elected anything in the first place.

:hi:

[KittyWampus]

16. Clinton is running for 2012.

[vaberella]

18. She's always been Pro-War and commended McCain. If the shoe was on the other foot

I'm certain she woulded have voted for FISA and all the angry Obama people now would be angry at Clinton and drama would ensue.

[helderheid]

20. you and me both

:cry:

[LWolf]

23. I don't know why that surprises you. n/t

[democrattotheend]

28. For one, she did not even vote on the Dodd amendment back in February

She was silent on the issue until now...I think she did this to subtly dig at Obama by trying to give some of his netroots supporters "buyer's remorse". I commend her for her vote but I am under no illusion that she would have voted the same way had she been the nominee.

[paulk]

42. she hasn't been silent on the issue

from Januare -

"Today, I will vote against Republican efforts to shortchange the debate on the FISA Amendments Act, important legislation that would modernize our surveillance laws and give our nation's intelligence professionals the tools they need to fight terrorism and make our country more secure. Rather than allow the Senate the opportunity to consider important amendments to this vital legislation, Republicans are instead blocking meaningful debate on this bill by playing procedural games, choosing instead to score cheap political points at the expense of our Homeland Security.

This legislation deserves a thorough debate. Several provisions - including those which would have a profound impact on the civil liberties of Americans - need to be the subject of careful deliberation. For example, the bill under consideration gives telecommunication companies blanket retroactive immunity for their alleged cooperation in the administration's warrantless wiretapping program. I continue to believe that a grant of retroactive immunity is wrong, and I have cosponsored Senator Dodd's amendment to remove that provision from the bill. The Bush Administration has blatantly disregarded Americans' civil liberties over the past seven years, and I simply will not trust them to protect Americans' privacy rights. With the temporary Protect America Act set to expire on February 1st, I strongly believe that we need to pass balanced legislation that protects our civil liberties and the rule of law while giving our law enforcement and intelligence agencies the tools they need to protect our country."

[LWolf]

46. You know,

only those with a stake in the primary wars would need to see it like that.

Without a stake, liking neither of them better than the other,

it's not a surprise.

Obama voted the way he said he would. Unfortunate, but no surprise.

Clinton voted the way Democrats SHOULD have voted. Sometimes she does that.

Again, no surprise.

[Tom Rinaldo]

48. Just give her the credit due her and move on

It is what it is. Obama didn't have to sit in the U.S. Senate and vote againsgt the IWR in person, some say that takes away from giving him credit for having the right position at the time. Hillary doesn't get to run for President, so some say that takes away from giving her credit for having the right position at this time. Second guessing is like alternative history fiction, no one ever knows for sure. The record has to speak for itself.

[democrattotheend]

59. I said she deserves credit for her vote today

But I don't think she would have voted the same way if she were the nominee. And I am not entirely sure that Obama would have voted against the Iraq War, although I read that he was nervous about how giving the speech would impact his chances to win the Senate seat and he did it anyway, so that gives me some hope. But she deserves credit for her vote today, and I apologize if I did not make that clear.

[Tom Rinaldo]

77. You're being fair about it

I think my comment probably should could have been better placed on this thresd. I realized that after I posted it. I was making more of a composite reaction to a few poats left than to yours in specific. Shoulda been clearer about that :)

[polmaven]

126. And you are getting your

information from ....oh...maybe Kreskin the Magnificent and his crystal ball?

[democrattotheend]

156. Who's Kreskin the Magnificent?

[polmaven]

157. Oh, I guess I'm a little older than you are...

Johnny Carson of the Tonite Show - BEFORE Jay Leno - did a charachter calle Kreskin, the Magnificent, who was a fortune teller, reading peoples futures etc. with a crystal ball,

[jenmito]

24. Once again-a vote for political reasons-just like her vote for the IWR and K/L...

she's not running for president and now she can use this vote to further divide the party-"See? SHE voted AGAINST it. We should've nominated HER!" If she was the nominee, no way would she have voted against it.

[democrattotheend]

31. That's my thinking

It was the right vote and she should be commended for it, but I think you hit the nail on the head about why she voted against it. Plus, that way the media gets to have a field day talking about Democratic disunity yet again.

[jenmito]

41. Yup...

Here we go again.

[Skip Intro]

49. Oh, Hillary's vote was for poltical reasons?

All part of her evil masterplan to destroy the party?

Of course, Obama voted only out of deep conviction and loyalty to his solemn pledge to defend and uphold the constitution.

alllrighteee then

[jenmito]

71. Of course it was! And as suspected, they're now talking about it on MSNBC about how

she voted against it while he voted for it-on the very day they're having a joint fundraiser.

[Skip Intro]

90. Are you actually blaming Hillary for Obama's vote?

[jenmito]

99. I'm blaming her for causing more reason to keep our party divided.

[leftynyc]

107. So she should have voted the

WRONG way just to make Sen Obama look better? That's your argument?

[jenmito]

114. She should've not voted at all. For the good of the party.

[leftynyc]

117. Okay - I think I get it now

All the democratic politicians need to bow down, stop doing their JOBS, stop voting the right way for the country just to make Sen Obama not look bad - because he wants to be a politician.

[jenmito]

121. Not all of them-just Hillary-who's supposedly trying to unite her voters with his.

[leftynyc]

139. I can't believe you mean this

That Senator Clinton (and I'm speaking as one of her constituents)should either not vote (not only what we're paying her to do but what we voted for her to do) just to make things easier for Sen Obama who only voted the way he did to make life easier for himself.

[jenmito]

144. She knew it would pass anyway. I'm one of her constituents, too, and I'm

sick of her divisive ways.

[leftynyc]

145. So now voting the right was is

divisive? I'm having trouble wrapping my brain around your position. Seems like the height of hypocrisy to me.

[jenmito]

148. Why are you having trouble? She, like Obama, voted to strip immunity out of the bill...

she could've done what's best for the party, rather than what I feel is more political expediency, by voting with Obama giving the same explanation he gave. She's supposed to be bringing the party together. This ain't helping and her vote did nothing but give more ammo for her supporters who want reasons NOT to vote for Obama.

[polmaven]

158. Don't even try to understand.

The poster is obviously so consumed with hate that it will be impossible to make sense of it. Hate is in and of it self irrational.

[LostinVA]

160. Tell her you're voting for Lee Mercer, Jr. and see what happens

Good times.

[Beacool]

172. Are you for real?????????

Obama is the one who was on the wrong side today. Take it out on him and stop projecting on Hillary.

[LVjinx]

176. Senator Clinton voted correctly. If it makes Obama look like an ass, whose fault is that?

[seaglass]

50. And now we finally know that if Obama was in the Senate he

would have voted for the IWR. Words, just words.

[jenmito]

76. No we DON'T know that. He spoke out against it while he was in the IL Senate and was about to run

for the U.S. Senate. You sound just like a Repub.

[seaglass]

115. Yes and then he gave him self some wiggle room in 2004,

it's easier that way then you can change your emphasis depending on which message suits you. He showed today that for him the ends DO justify the means.

[jenmito]

118. No he didn't. He was protecting Kerry and Edwards, who both voted FOR it-and he was the keynote

speaker for them.

[NYC_SKP]

128. You're seriously wrong, and walking on thin ice with that suggestion...

...because there is no comparison between the two pieces of legislation, and none between the conditions surrounding the votes.

Hillary wanted to look tough with IWR and K.L., it was superstupid and gave power to Bush just to look tough in advance of her future miserable failure to get the nomination.

FISA, on the other hand, is a compromise and this is a matter that president Obama will be able to address later.

[jenmito]

147. ...

:thumbsup:

[leftynyc]

105. What fucking nonsense

So you're saying Sen Obama's vote wasn't political? That he really believes the govt should be able to spy on us without a warrant? Why is it okay for Sen Obama to behave like a politician and not Sen Clinton? Why the blatent hypocrisy? And if you're so able to read minds, can you tell me what my boyfriend bought me for my birthday?

[jenmito]

112. No, I'm NOT saying his vote wasn't political. He's the nominee.

[polmaven]

127. And if she doesn't believe in it

she should have voted FOR it just to what..show the unity? GET OVER IT!

[wurzel]

29. Obama had to vote "yes". The dems were complicit in crime.

Bush did not do all this by himself. He had plenty of enablers from the leadership of the Democratic party. They were too cowardly to do otherwise. They now find themselves also at risk in Bush's crimes. Obama is now the leader of the Democratic Party and is obliged to protect these craven "leaders". At least until he is elected. That's the way it is.

[mvd]

37. Oh yes, if the Democrats stood for the right position, it would have..

been a lot easier for Obama.

[paulk]

34. get used to it...

If you thought Clinton was a "triangulator", you're in for a real surprise once Obama gets elected.

[snowbear]

44. She's no longer running for president

And if you don't think Senator Obama will make an awesome president, who the phuck are you voting for??

[mvd]

47. Whe he becomes President, we will certainly be more vocal

I'm at least glad he didn't totally vote the wrong way today. The Democrats should have been united against the bill. That disappoints me more than Obama's final bill vote.

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[snowbear]

98. Regardless of whether DU'ers agree or disagree..

... don't you think it's in poor taste to refer to a fello' DU'er as a thug?

Treat other members with respect. Do not post personal attacks against other members of this discussion forum

[paulk]

164. your post was not relevant to mine

and I'm sick of loyalty oaths from some you Obama supporters. If you want to know my position on the matter, you can do a search. If you can find a post where I've said I would not vote for the Democratic nominee, from here or any other site - feel free to post it.

Is that better? Are your fine tuned sensibilities appeased?

As for fellow DUers... the last six months have disabused me of any notion that this place is any longer a community. So no, I don't particularly care if some of you would think my opinions are in poor taste.

[The_Casual_Observer]

38. That's right, Obama voted yes. That's what's important.

[Dogmudgeon]

40. Vote for Obama anyway

We can always crack the whip later on.

--p!

[Bluebear]

64. Good luck cracking that whip. :/

[cags]

66. The whip has no effect it seems...nt

[The_Casual_Observer]

75. We don't have any other choice.

[cags]

53. Sigh..... I miss Hillary nt

[jenmito]

80. And that's why she voted against it-for that very reaction-to keep party DISunity.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

88. I don't think so. Voting *no* was the right vote, IMHO.

[cags]

96. I agree... but I'm sure Barack thinks he did the right thing too

[jenmito]

102. Yes, it was-for the wrong reasons IMHO.

[KittyWampus]

111. It was totally inconsistent with her previous voting record and totally consistent with Clintonian

attempts to stab Democrats in the back.

[LVjinx]

178. Perhaps you can link us to this previous position? I know you aren't just making it up.

[cags]

92. No disunity... It won't change my vote... but you can't be happy with everything

[jenmito]

106. It won't change YOUR vote, but it can give Hillary supporters another excuse NOT to vote for him

or to demonstrate at the convention, etc.

[cags]

109. Did they need another excuse? I don't think so

[jenmito]

124. No, but this IS another excuse.

[nomaco-10]

95. Exactly. Political expediency, even i f it means .....

DISUNITY has always been their MO. They have both been the most politically poll driven and disingenuous politicians to ever come across the democrartic pike.

[polmaven]

132. Bullshit!

Is she supposed to get his permission before she votes?

[Beacool]

174. Oh yeah, Obama casts the wrong vote, but it's Hillary's fault.

Unbelievable..........

[LVjinx]

177. Hasn't Hillary always said she'd vote against it? Obama is responsible for his own vote.

[romana]

179. Unbelievable

This is really just...just unbelievable. Obama votes the wrong way, but somehow, in your twisted little mind, Clinton, who voted correctly, is wrong.

Can you...I'm virtually speechless here...can you, maybe, take a step back and, you know, actually READ what you're saying objectively?

No, I suppose not.

Unbelievable.

[Beacool]

173. Me too!!!!!!!!!

:cry:

[jobycom]

67. Mine has simply been confirmed.

[mvd]

73. If I was running, I would have voted no

Maybe Obama is smarter, but I'm not the compromising type.

[jobycom]

110. I understand why he did it, and don't really dislike him for it.

For one thing, the bill isn't the pure surrender some around here think it is, but that's a different story.

I just mean that Obama won by claiming he wouldn't compromise and had good judgement and all of that, and a lot of people saw him as some purist and Clinton as a triangulating sell-out. Anyone who took the time to learn the facts and the history of both candidates knew the reverse was true. Obama goes where the wind blows, Clinton has been consistent for decades, though she does slant her arguments. In short, she's a leftist pretending to be a moderate, and he's a centrist who briefly pretended, or at least played up assumptions, that he was a leftist.

I'm not bothered by Obama's actions overly much--he's about like any other candidate I would vote for, at least as far as compromising goes. I'm frustrated by those who didn't get it when he was running, and who voted for him believing he was different.

No matter. He's the candidate, so he's my candidate. BushCo must be destroyed in all its incarnations.

[ProSense]

70. What does that mean? Obama was and still is the better candidate.

Hillary dodged the vote on Dodd's bill when she was campaigning.





edited typo.

[Phx_Dem]

72. No surprise there.

Hillary is the biggest panderer that ever lived. Of course she voted no, precisely I'm sure, because Obama was voting yes. She's not a Presidential nominee so she doesn't have to worry about being swiftboated as weak national security. If she were the nominee, there isn't an iota of doubt that she would have voted for it.

[democrattotheend]

87. She deserves credit for her vote today

Although I agree that it was a pander and that she would not have voted that way had she been the nominee. This was a smart move politically for her...try to create a little buyer's remorse among some of Obama's activist base and shore up some goodwill for 2012. But she voted the right way, and at the end of the day, a vote's a vote. So she deserves credit for that.

[mvd]

94. That's how I see it

She voted the right way, especially under her circumstances.

[jenmito]

86. self-delete

[PBS Poll-435]

89. Well....David is wrong on this one

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00168

[jenmito]

97. I know-which is why I deleted it.

[ErinBerin84]

91. this thread is kind of hilarious. I'm sure there are some lurking freepers who are laughing.

I just turned on MSNBC.."Obama voted Yes, Clinton voted No!"

I turn to CNN....same headline.

[bunnies]

103. "sewer" was more the word I had in mind.

:banghead:

[Name removed]

119. Deleted message

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[elkston]

123. Make no mistake. A vote for Nader is a vote for McCain. n/t

[biglake]

130. No- a vote for Nader-is a VOTE FOR NADER- no more elitist corporatists thanks

Obama could have said no on principle. I intend to stand to try for it this time.

[jenmito]

133. Alerted. n/t

[jenmito]

125. If so, you can no longer be a member of the DU. Read the rules. n/t

[biglake]

135. Your threat is perfect jenmito

[jenmito]

136. It's not a threat. It's a fact:

"You may not post threats to vote third party, to vote McCain, to not vote, or to write-in a Democrat other than Barack Obama."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6344459&mesg_id=6344459

[biglake]

146. May not post threats to vote 3rd party on DU? 1st time. I am sure Obama relies on that crap too.

[jenmito]

151. Enjoy your stay here-no matter how short it may be.

:hi:

[LostinVA]

161. And Lee Mercer, Jr. -- I heard Skinner changed the rules just for Mercenaries

[LowerManhattanite]

159. Nader? This should end well... n/t

[jenmito]

163. Maybe it already HAS ended well.

:D

[LowerManhattanite]

167. Yeesh! I go down to the gym for a jog and a carrot juice...

...I come back, and the mods sweep in like the furies themselves!

They are NOT playing around today. The disruptors are droppin' like zapped flies! Ouch!

[jenmito]

168. Ya got THAT right!

I'm SURE they had a little help. :D

[LowerManhattanite]

169. “Why mah dear” (Best Tennessee Williams character voice)...

“Ah have no i-deah whut-so-evah what you could mean bah that! That button off to the bottom lef' there? Why as far as ah'm concerned...that's for summonin' the but-lah for mo' mint juleps, an' nothin moah!”

:)

[jenmito]

170. ...

What a beautiful Southern accent you have there! :) Yes, that's the one!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

138. Maybe she's learned that centrist voting didn't get her anywhere.

Hopefully, the same thing will dawn on Obama.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

142. props from this Obama supporter for HRC!

[polmaven]

152. Well, finally!

Although I do not fault Senator Obama for the way he voted...I think he did what he had to do..., I fail to see how this thread turned so quickly into a Hillary Bashfest! Man, it's like the last 4 weeks since June 11 never happened.

[emilyg]

166. Thank you.

[Beacool]

171. Go Hillary!!!!!!!!!!

Also kudos to Schummer and my senators: Lautenberg and Menendez!!!!!

You all rock!!!!!!!!

:headbang: