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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 06:25 PM
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Obama and ‘Merci beaucoup’ — the conservative outrage of the day
Obama and ‘Merci beaucoup’ — the conservative outrage of the day
Posted July 9th, 2008 at 2:55 pm



After some very encouraging comments on bankruptcy law in Georgia yesterday, Barack Obama opened the floor to some questions. Someone asked about preventing high-school dropouts and added that she believes “there should be a push more for our citizens to become bilingual here in America.”

I didn’t hear the entire response, but these comments on bilingualism seem to have caused quite a stir in conservative circles.

“You know, I don’t understand when people are going around worrying about, ‘We need to have English- only.’ They want to pass a law, ‘We want English-only,’” Obama said. “Now, I agree that immigrants should learn English. I agree with that. But understand this. Instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English — they’ll learn English — you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish. You should be thinking about, how can your child become bilingual? We should have every child speaking more than one language.

“You know, it’s embarrassing when Europeans come over here, they all speak English, they speak French, they speak German. And then we go over to Europe, and all we can say {is}, ‘Merci beaucoup.’ Right? (Laughter) You know, no, I’m serious about this. We should understand that our young people, if you have a foreign language, that is a powerful tool to get a job. You are so much more employable. You can be part of international business. So we should be emphasizing foreign languages in our schools from an early age, because children will actually learn a foreign language easier when they’re 5, or 6, or 7 than when they’re 46, like me.”


All of this sounds pretty sensible to me. Not surprisingly, a lot of conservatives don’t quite see it that way.

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 06:27 PM
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1. lol McCain has such a spotty record on immigration issues that even this wedge won't work as well
as it used to.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 06:27 PM
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2. Of course they are outraged.
After all, English was good enough for Jesus.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 06:44 PM
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8. LOL
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 06:28 PM
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3. Truth, and years of research frighten them a great deal...
We must have compassion for them all, and find nice secure group homes for them, where they'll be safe and in the company of those they love.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 06:29 PM
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4. Fantastic! We should also change how we teach languages
in this country. The method used at the Defense Language Institute is fantastic.
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 06:30 PM
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5. I cannot disagree...
What's the saying? What do you call a person who speaks 3 or more languages? Multi-lingual. What do you call a person who speaks 2 languages? Bi-lingual. What do you call a person who speaks only one language? American.

There is nothing wrong with learning a different language. I honestly wish I had done it when I was in high school.

If conservatives are so worried about immigrants learning to properly use English I see students learning other languages as a perfect teaching tool. You'd know what they were saying and be flexible enough to tutor them properly.

But that' just my thoughts.
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qwlauren35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 06:31 PM
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6. I'm not surprised...
Edited on Wed Jul-09-08 06:32 PM by qwlauren35
That some Americans will take offense.

There is a subset of extremely arrogant Americans who think that learning a foreign language is a waste of time. The myopia of these people really frightens me.

How can you tell your children to limit themselves when we are in the midst of rampant globalization?

Next thing you know, someone will be saying that it's un-American to speak Spanish.

One of the aims I had when I was in my 20's was to master French, German, Spanish, Japanese and sign language. I fell short, but my French still impresses the occasional Haitian, and even got raves from a few Parisians. And that's NOT easy!

:-)

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 06:38 PM
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7. oboy
fodder for GE. The context will be gone. All they will communicate is this part:

"Instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English — they’ll learn English — you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish."

Couldn't he have said "a second language" instead??
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 06:49 PM
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9. Not a bad idea overall, but a stupid political move.
I'm already hearing people say stuff like "So, he thinks we're illiterate morons." That's exactly how the media will spin it, too.

Also, his "you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish" will have every other nationality up in arms.

Even though in the real world what he said makes sense, from a purely political standpoint it was an amazingly dimwitted thing to say.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 06:49 PM
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10. I can't think of a job opportunity here in Florida, that you will move
up on the short list if you are bilingual. If you want to work in administration of any type, clerical, managerial, etc. Spanish-speaking, even first year high school Spanish is desirable. My son learned Spanish working in restaurants. He can go anywhere...
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justgamma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 07:40 PM
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11. When I was in school
it was mandatory that you take a foreign language. You had to take 2 years to graduate.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 07:43 PM
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12. I love it, and I've been saying it for years! Are conservatives arguing
that Americans should be LAZY and not bother to learn another language? Because that's what it sounds like to me. This is also a topic of low self esteem for Americans -- I took a German course, and everyone talked about how dumb they felt in Germany trying to speak German. Hey -- just have a HefeWeizen and you'll improve your confidence! :)
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 07:44 PM
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13. Basically Europeans see us as savages. I lived in England for 5 years.
All my friends spoke no less than 3 langauges. Luckily for me, I speak 4, since I'm an immigrant to this country from the Caribbean...however most Americans are not at that advantage. This is a global economy, speaking many langauges is ONLY an advantage not disadvantage. The Repubs just don't want people growing beyond themselves to develop independent ideas which speaking many languages can provide. This is similarly to not teaching slaves how to read or write, from my perspective.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 09:31 PM
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14. It's obvious who Obama knows from Europe.
And he's formed a bad generalization given a very much non-random sample.

When I visited France, I didn't do the tourist areas. My aunt/uncle and parents were with me. When they split up, my life became hell. They all assured me everybody in France knew English (same in Denmark and Sweden). Ha. None of the shopkeepers even knew enough English to say the prices for things my mother or aunt pointed at. I was running from shop to shop being an escort interpreter for two groups (and saw mostly what my mother and aunt wanted to see).

Then again, I get into strange places. I've been stuck talking to functinoally monolingual French speakers in Quebec, where most Francophones are at least minimally competent in English. Then again, I try to avoid beating already beaten paths. I go to Prague, and wind up spending the weekend not in the city, but in a pensionat 30 miles outside of town. I go to France, and hit up Boulogne.

In the Czech Republic, more than once I was surrounded by a group of people who knew no English. Or French. Or even Russian. It was Czech or nothing. Sometimes "nothing". A lot of the Germans I ran into were mostly monolingual, using a trip to "learn" Czech to drink lots of beer, instead; it was annoying to try to talk to them in English, French, Spanish, or Czech, when they only understand German (a language I seem incapable of learning). Those who were competent in another language? The college-educated professionals who needed to know a second language, the tourism industry workers for whom learning a second or third language was a job skill. A few times I was in a village where if I hadn't known Czech, I'd have had nobody to talk to. Few professionals there. Engineers often were monolingual--again, it depended upon whether they had a need for the language.

So who comes and visits, and actually gets to impress Americans by their knowledge of English? People who know English. If they don't know much English, they'll stay quiet and you just won't know that they're monolingual.

Oddly, while in Eugene, Oregon, I once got involved with the sister-city program. A load of Russians from Irkutsk showed up. At the end of their trip, they remarked how it was amazing that so many Americans knew Russian. The exchange program made sure that Russian-speaking Americans were usually on hand, and they scoured the city for them. Again, a very non-random sample warped the Russians' impressions, and the damned sister-city folk were proud and agreed, the idiots, to reinforce the feeling of comraderie and good will. (When, in fact, they'd exhausted the bunch of us.)

I've been in various kinds of groups overseas. Sometimes I'm around people like myself--college educated, grad students, or among people learning another language. Other times I've gone slumming, or found myself not among academics and quasi-academics, but around working-class or lower-middle class people. I prefer the latter, but usually have to speak their language since they're pretty much monolingual. Many of them studied English or French or German in high school (not all). Almost all forgot it or learned it poorly. Which, to be honest, sounds very, very familiar.

To return to the Czech example. There were a lot of monolingual Americans that I couldn't manage to avoid. They hung together, forming a kind of ghetto. Most tried to avoid learning anything more than minimal Czech. I suppose the response should have been for Praguers to learn English (which those in the tourism-service industry did).

Obama's too quickly embarrassed, and gives away his lack of comprehension at the limits on his own experience, as well as concerning what drives multilingualism in some subcommunities in Europe and elsewhere.
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