Look people, Jesse Jackson was not making a public speech or statement

[jasmine621]

This was supposed to be a private conversation with the AA reporter. Lot's of blacks feel that Obama is talking down to them and are disappointed with some of his changes in position since winning the nomination. Just like lots of white folks on the left are disappointed for the same reason. It's like Obama USED the black voters to get the nomination and now he is dissing them to appeal to more whites. It does not matter what the reality is...that is the perception. Jesse Jackson sees this as a problem and fears that Obama may be turning off some of the black vote that he will need in November to win. More than anything, Jesse wants Obama to win. So stop trying to make this an ego trip by Jesse. Jesse has paid his dues more than most blacks, including Obama.

[skooooo]

1. "Jesse has paid his dues more than most blacks"

I didn't know this was something you could quantify.

[Gman]

14. You betcha it is

Obama needs Jackson and jObama best not piss Jackson off too much.

[ecstatic]

24. Needs Jackson? Please explain! ...

:popcorn:

[Faygo Kid]

2. He was set up. This was Faux News. They will revel in it for days. Weeks.

You NEVER assume you're not miked on Faux News. This was a setup.

And they will play the racial card to the hilt.

[blondeatlast]

5. My thoughts as well. nt

[durrrty libby]

29. That's right. The Evil Fox put the words in his mouth

JJ let it be known how he really feels. Deal with it. Don't make foolish excuses

[dionysus]

67. i can tell that you're enjoying every second of it...

:eyes:

[Mimosa]

45. U can't blame Fox when JJ said he wants to cut off Obama's nuts

I'm glad Fox left the mike on. I KNEW JJ is a PHONY BASTARD who will undercut other black MEN!

[AllentownJake]

3. I actually think its good this happened

Reinforces he is a candidate who is black not a black candidate.

[Pirate Smile]

4. You've always disliked Obama so I'm sure it didn't bother you.

[ecstatic]

6. Huh? Thanks for your concern... I think

:crazy:

[sufrommich]

7. Where is the proof that "lots of blacks"are

unhappy with Obama?

[thewiseguy]

8. Hey cant an Obama hater make assumptions here?

:D

[Connie_Corleone]

13. I sure haven't seen it.

My family, my friends, my co-workers, black talk radio. NADA.

[DevonRex]

22. She's trying to create some reality. Pretty sad attempt at it, too. nt

[LowerManhattanite]

25. Hmmm...it is an interesting assumption, considering it's based only...

...on what the OP fells.

As a Black New Yorker, I'm not seeing this. In fact, I'm seeing and hearing A LOT OF VENOM towards our junior senator that could prove problematic come re-election time.

But hey, whaddoIknow?

Bruddaman Polling Inc. didn't call me or anyone I know, so maybe we're just not represented in the OP's “scientific” sampling.

And whatnot. :)

[sufrommich]

26. As much as I disagree with the OPs statement about Obama,

I also disagree that Hillary is in any serious danger of losing her seat.

[LowerManhattanite]

28. Not saying that she'd LOSE her seat, but...

...taking into account the state's demographics, (where close to 70% of the populace is clustered around the five boroughs and the immediate exurbs and is where the vast bulk of the Black voting populace lives), if a large enough, disillusioned clump opts to sit the next election out—a candidate with huge pull upstate and downstate recognition (say, a Rudy Giuliani) could make things very interesting by pushing hard for the ethnic White vote(as he did to unseat David Dinkins). Fences are in the process of being mended—but downstate Blacks in NY have long memories and could really bollix things up if things aren't done with sincerity and a little bit of butt-kissing to salve the wounds of rough words during the primaries from the Senator and her husband.

[leftynyc]

53. Upstaters hate Rudy

They always felt that while mayor, he tried to get all the money into the city (from state and feds) and screw upstate. Believe me, Rudy can't take down Hillary. Maybe Bloomberg but not Rudy.

[blindpig]

71. Ahem...

Caught up and rendered silly by Obamamania, Black progressives who should know better have unilaterally disarmed themselves in surrender to a media-amplified euphoria that most resembles a group drug fest. The faculties of memory and common sense shut down, as longtime activists effectively repudiate their former lives to join the mindless bacchanal swirling around Barack Obama's thoroughly corporate candidacy. We at BAR, who have consistently held Black politicians to the standards of the historical Black Political Consensus, find ourselves reviled by Black erstwhile progressives "based on annoyance that we brought a skunk to the party." But the stink does not emanate from us - it comes from Obama's own mouth, when he praises racist Ronald Reagan and the 1990s "ideas" of Newt Gingrich, in a blatant bid to make common cause with those who wish to destroy the last vestiges of a Black Movement, root and branch.

http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?Itemid=34&id=501&option=com_content&task=view

[islandmkl]

9. there is no 'quantity' threshold for dues....

so, remind me, when was the last time JJ accomplished anything that did not benefit JJ first...

Barack may not be the black man JJ envisioned attaining the presidency...which may say volumes about JJ and his desire to be the leader of 'his people' as opposed to the leader of 'all the people'...

JJ, and he has done a great deal of good in his day, is nothing at all compared to his mentor...not the drive, not the dedication, not the strength...for him to say anything on or off the record dissing Obama reveals something about JJ and his ego...

JJ should apply his many talents to getting Obama elected...and leave it at that...

[Diamonique]

10. What in the world are you talking about?! Oh heck... never mind. n/t

[dionysus]

11. begging for it aren't you?

now you are a crusader for the african american community...
:spray:

[NattPang]

12. Jesse Jackson doesn't speak for

all Black People.
Maybe you should get out more
and speak to some of them.
Perhaps the links that I provide
here to African-American owned website
might help you out
if you don't know any Black people to ask.

http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/and-another-one/#disqus_thread

http://www.tomjoyner.com/

[CakeGrrl]

15. Another thinly-disguised Obama bash, this time in defense of Jesse Jackson

With "support" like this, the McCain 527's can take a break.

:eyes:

[Connie_Corleone]

16. For real. I have to search to find an anti-McCain thread in this place.

[pot luck]

17. Well, this black person isn't disappointed with Obama

nor is any other black person I know. I agree 100% with everything he's said about personal responsibility and how more black men should step up. It's not difference from anything that I have said, and I don't feel like he's sold me or anyone else out to pander to white voters..

[genna]

36. I am black whether or not the OP is and I've heard disappointment.

Does that equate to 100% support or rejection?
No.


Obama is walking a tight rope and he can step over the line with black or white people. Your point not withstanding.

[SoCalDem]

18. No such thing as "private conversation" for a public-person

Phones record now, cameras record..Unless you are with your own family in a sound-proof, bug-free room, you cannot be sure your words will only be for them..

Even family members can rat you out.. (see Dog, the Bounty Hunter)

If you do not want to read your words on the front page, or hinted at, by poor befuddled Wolf Blizter, then STFU..

[elkston]

19. I'm black guy ...

and I don't feel Obama has slighted us in any way.
I fully support the "tough love"-sort of advice he is giving to some of our black males. Its nothing new, really. Plenty of blacks have been saying the same thing -- just not so publicly.

Furthermore, Obama isn't just scoring hits and moving away. He pledges reforms in education and social programs that will improve outreach and oppportunities in this critical group.

But the desire to change and take personal responsibility in ones future MUST be there first. This cannot happen without concerned parents or equivalent community elders.

[Mimosa]

42. Elkston, clear-eyed friend, HUGS

I've never been so angry in my life as I am tonight.

[Undercurrent]

44. Thank you for saying this!

My ex husband was a black man, and came from a strong family who believed in personal responsibility, especially for the children, and to raise them to be responsible adults themselves. It's just good old fashioned, real family values. Something we as a culture could all strive to be better at.

[chascarrillo]

20. Stop this fucking shit, you fucking troll.

[skooooo]

30. I think some people...

..are trying to stir up racial shit on DU. There's been a bunch of stupid posts lately.

[DevonRex]

21. You're still here? Wonder why...

[MadMaddie]

23. If anyone thinks that Faux news isn't trying to divide the Black

community by class......

Yes, Jessee Jackson has been at some of this country's most historical moments. However; either Jessee has gotten soft or he has forgotten...there are still real enemies and real threats to minorities, women and anyone outside the norm. Faux is amongst those threats....

Obama's statement about responsibility goes across races, he was speaking to all Americans.

Faux has proven again they have no integrity....what's new?

[GoldieAZ49]

27. Jesse ROCKS! He can say whatever he wants on or off mic

How many people he speaks for is unknown, but he certainly has the right to say whatever he wants.

[dionysus]

32. especially when he trashes our nominee right!?!? man this shtick is stale...

:eyes:

[GoldieAZ49]

33. You never would have heard of Obama if it wasn't for the work Jesse has done

and continues to do.


Get over it.

[dionysus]

46. that is the lamest post i have ever seen...

:rofl:

new shillbot tactic... FAIL

[GoldieAZ49]

50. you obviously don't read your own posts

I see you like talking down to others also...no surprise there

[dionysus]

62. an ettiquite lesson from someone who exists to slam the nominee... rich

:rofl:

[ellacott]

56. So Jessie can do no harm?

That's the same rationale that people use for McCain and his war record.

Your problem is you don't like Obama so anything that anyone says against him is excused. Pitiful.

It's true that Jessie has been there but Jessie has a lot of baggage. His hands are not clean.

Also, there were many people that came before Jessie. Before Jessie ran Shirley Chisolm ran.

Please try to understand the WHOLE history.

I know you don't want Jessie to cut his nuts off because you've been riding Obama's jock for a long time.

[GoldieAZ49]

61. actually I don't think it would make any difference nt

:hi:

[ellacott]

69. That figures

[Bluerthanblue]

34. and along with that 'right'- he has the responsibility to face the music for

what he has said.

He's got no more 'right' than Obama to say anything. He isn't above anyone. OR- beneath them either.

peace~

[KingFlorez]

31. It shows he's got a problem with Obama

Of course, publicly he's going to make out like he wants Obama to win, but his private comments seem to say otherwise. Jackson is probably just bitter because Obama accomplished what he never could, which is become the Democratic nominee.

[genna]

35. The blood was in the water when he dodged the SOBU and kicked Wright to the curb

BHO carrying his Father's Day message (same as a year ago) to an AA church, not Trinity, about black men in general being better fathers is just butter on a shit sandwich.


I will support BHO. I think the black community needs to keep him as honest possible by taking any beefs with his statements or policy considerations to him directly. There is no reason to cut him slack because he shares a skin color. If his policy statements are contradictory to AA interests, I don't think we should hold back.


I'm convinced that speaking truth to power starts at home first. Jesse has done some suspect things. I don't like all of them, but I respect him enough to defer to his years in the trenches regardless of how unhappy he might make non AAs. I wouldn't dare say (as I've read the reverse on this board) that white voters like Obama better because Jesse is giving him crap (ie. I hate Jesse so I love Obama now-this is horrific).

[stevedeshazer]

38. BHO?

WUWT?

[Mimosa]

43. WtH R U? OBAMA IS OUR CANDIDATE!

Genna, u don't know what you're talking about. This is Democratic Underground in case U don't know it. Barack Obama is OUR candidate. Anybody trying to cut off his nuts will have to come through US!

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[stevedeshazer]

37. What a joke.

So let me get this straight:

Jesse Jackson talks about cutting Barack Obama's nuts out.

And it's because Jesse wants Barack to win.

That's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read on DU, and believe me, that's saying a lot.

[Zavulon]

39. Wasn't "Hymietown" also supposed to be off the record?

Jackson is an ass.

[BlooInBloo]

40. Defending Jackson on this one of the fucking stupidest things I've ever seen....

And who are these "lots"? Just making shit up?

[GoldieAZ49]

51. For me it was those defending Wright

Obama gave up on that shtick... finally, eh, to each his own

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[Life Long Dem]

49. Politics by Jesse Jackson

Next please.

[guruoo]

52. Best to let the issue die, IMO.

[reflection]

54. I think Jackson's main problem with Obama is

that Obama is not a finger-pointing blamer when it comes to racial issues. Jesse used to be the real deal. Unfortunately he has devolved into a race pimp these past few decades.

Black politicians who do not rely on race as a crutch marginalize those who do.

[bunnies]

55. So if a woman said they wanted to cut Hillarys tits off...

You'd be making excuses for that too right?

[Fire_brand]

57. Thing is, Obama made his comments to a black audience and recieved applause

Jesse Jackson is part of the old-guard civil rights leadership that doesn't like this jonny-come-lately Obama. His black parent isn't African American, he hasn't "paid his dues" in the civil rights struggle, and, most importantly, he didn't kiss their rings and ask their permission to run for president.

Problem for them is, black people love Obama. The same people they claim to represent are fired up about the candidate that they don't like. Thus, Jackson is essentially forced to support Obama, if he wants to maintain any credibilily with the constituency he claims to represent. I've always suspected that he still didn't care much for Obama privately, and these recent comments clearly prove that, and they indicate that he is indeed quite pissed at Obama.

[terryter1]

58. He was talking from his heart

Looks like there is some bad blood between them. Wonder if this is the tip of an iceburg we can't see?

[MaineDem]

59. Sometimes one's private statements are much more telling than their public ones

I think this was wrong of Rev Jackson and I've lost a lot of respect for him over this.

Yes, he has paid a lot of dues but it doesn't give him the right to bad mouth our (HIS) candidate like this.

[ellacott]

60. You show yourself each time you post

This has gotten to be one of the stupidest.

You quest to demonize Obama is overshadowed by your inability to be sincere.

Please read some books, damn. Even google is your friend.

Listen closely,

JESSIE JACKSON HAS MADE THESE SAME SPEECHES TO BLACK PEOPLE!!!!!

IT IS SICKENING THAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO BE THE SPOKESPERSONS FOR BLACK PEOPLE

DON'T SPEAK FOR ME!!!!

STFU

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

63. Why do black people have to pay dues?

:shrug:

[TheDonkey]

64. Obama has done/said nothing new. He speaks FOR ME and Jackson does not

[Fleshdancer]

65. I think what he said was gross, but he apologized and Obama accepted it

Once Obama accepted the apology, I decided to not worry about it anymore. Jackson is now publicly kissing Obama's butt to help smooth things over so I really don't know what more can be said or done.

:shrug:

[marshall]

66. Jesse took it personally and spoke inappropriately

He is one of those dead beat dads that Obama criticizes--if his mistress Karin Stanford can be believed.
It is never appropriate to use lynch language, even if one is African American.

[John Q. Citizen]

68. I could care less what Jackson said in private to some reporter. No big thing.

I can't believe people who supposedly are working their asses off for our candidate have time to worry about stuff as petty as this.

The same would apply if this were reversed and Obama made a comment in private that was somehow recorded.

It's nothing.

[Drunken Irishman]

70. You'd think after being caught calling New York hymie town by a hot mic, he'd be more careful.

It doesn't matter if it's private or not. How would we here on DU react if McCain had said it? Just because it's private does not make it any less offensive. Cheney telling Pat Leahy to fuck off was in private, but it didn't make it easier to accept.