According to the ACLU, your 4th Amendment Rights were shredded BUT...

[NattPang]

that happened back in 2001.

If you thought yesterday's vote
was going to restore your rights,
you were wrong,
and probably shouldn't be interested in politics,
because it is obvious
that you did not have a clue
that your rights
were already gone.

2001 - Patriot Act shredded the 4th Amendment
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/17326res20030403.html

2003 - Patriot Act II shredded the 4th Amendment (no sunset clause)
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/17326res20030403.html

2005 - The Safe Act of 2005 shredded the 4th Amendment
http://action.aclu.org/reformthepatriotact/safe.html

2007 - The Protect America Act shredded the 4th Amendment
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/nsaspying/31203res20070807.html

2008 - FISA Bill shredded the 4th Amendment although it was a better bill than it could have been.

According to Former ACLU Leader: Congress Should Pass FISA Bill
http://www.openmarket.org/2008/07/08/former-aclu-leader-congress-should-pass-fisa-bill/

The only way that your rights
have even a remote chance
of being restored,
is if Barack Obama
is elected into office.

Feingold on FISA: Elect Obama to reverse 'terrible legislation'
Feingold conceded that public disappointment following gains for Democrats in the 2006 elections was understandable, but said that a Democratic president, "in particular, Barack Obama, should allow us to greatly change this mistake."

"Barack Obama believes in the Constitution," he continued. "He's a constitutional scholar. I believe that he will have a better chance to look at these powers that have been given to the executive branch, he'll be running the executive branch.

I think he will understand and help take the lead in fixing some of the worst provisions."

"I do think that people have a right to be disappointed," he went on, "but they also have a right to hope for change--on this issue, in particular--starting in January."
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Feingoldon_on_FISA_A_dark_hour_0709.html

[Trillo]

1. They were probably shredded at Tuskagee,

so someone could profit from the information gleaned.

[NattPang]

3. And during WWII, with the Japanese Internment Camps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laNKjLpt_uk

[MonkeyFunk]

2. so I'm being asked to believe

that Obama will behave contrary to his stated positions today once he becomes President. That's an issue of faith, and I'm agnostic on this.

[NattPang]

4. No. You are asked to know that McCain will behave

exactly as Bush did, if not more so.
It has nothing to do with faith,
and everything to do with common sense.

[JoFerret]

That's a very weak argument

Of course McCain would be worse. So....?

[NattPang]

5. No.

Feingold on FISA: Elect Obama to reverse 'terrible legislation'

Feingold said that a Democratic president, "in particular, Barack Obama, should allow us to greatly change this mistake."

"Barack Obama believes in the Constitution," he continued. "He's a constitutional scholar. I believe that he will have a better chance to look at these powers that have been given to the executive branch, he'll be running the executive branch.

I think he will understand and help take the lead in fixing some of the worst provisions."

"I do think that people have a right to be disappointed," he went on, "but they also have a right to hope for change--on this issue, in particular--starting in January."

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Feingoldon_on_FISA_A_dark_hour_0709.html

[MonkeyFunk]

8. I've never once indicated that I would vote for McCain

or support him in any way. That's nonsensical.

I've said repeatedly that I will vote for Obama. And I will, no matter what.

That doesn't mean that all discussion should be shut down, all criticism dismissed, because McCain is worse.

You may as well say we can't criticize Bush, because Cheney is worse. It's a meaningless, mindless way to try to shut down debate. I'm tired of it.

[NattPang]

9. Not voting Obama is voting for McCain

One less vote counted on Obama side,
means he is one vote further from
the presidency.

[MonkeyFunk]

11. Are you daft?

I will vote for Obama. I said so very clearly in the post to which you replied.

I thought the word "blinders" was a figurative expression. I was wrong.

[NattPang]

15. Yes, like you and Barack Obama, I am not perfect.

and like Barack Obama,
have never said I was.

[Maddy McCall]

17. You forgot Jesus.

He was only human, too.

[NattPang]

27. I'm not sure what Jesus has to do with it.

I guess you are being funny.
LOL!

[MonkeyFunk]

35. simple logic

Jesus is perfect.
Jesus is love.
What's love got to do with it? Oh, I think you know the answer, my friend. I think you do.

[NattPang]

36. Let's try a sonnet next time

You bore me,



said MonkeyFunk, the wit.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6479541&mesg_id=6479643

[MonkeyFunk]

37. Your theft of post is

a sign of idiocy
Is it hot in here?

[MonkeyFunk]

32. well, half-human

like Hercules and Spock.

[MonkeyFunk]

19. You don't have to be perfect

to read a post before you respond to it with mindless blather. I'd have better discussions with the people handing out fliers at the airport.

[NattPang]

28. Sorry that you are upset

by a post
of mine.

[MonkeyFunk]

30. Some care about what

Others think of what they say
It's Summer. I don't.

[Marrah_G]

45. You are trying too hard.

[JoFerret]

40. Daft is just for starters

When the groupie mentality has its grip on the brain there is little hope until it's over.

[tishaLA]

6. Do you really believe Obama would demand this piece of legislation?

We got it because of the current corrupt group. Do you think Obama will be as power-mad, and as amoral, as them?

[MonkeyFunk]

10. Beats me

I don't have the faith you have. I don't "know him in my heart" like many here seem to.

So far, he's against public campaign finance, for guns, for restrictions on choice, for FISA, for the death penalty for non-murder cases... all things on which I disagree with him. And I haven't had the revelation many have had to reassure me that these are just "fake" positions he has to take. I was told he was different.

[Maddy McCall]

12. And he doesn't believe maternal mental health should be considered...

in late term abortions.

Now, I'm really going to bed.

:P

[MonkeyFunk]

13. that was the "restrictions on choice" I mentioned

go brush that frog's teeth.

[NattPang]

16. That's mental DISTRESS,

not the same.
But thank you very much
for playing.

[Maddy McCall]

18. It's a limitation on choice, no?

[NattPang]

23. Roe v. Wade has limitation on choice,

for that matter.

late term abortion
are not sanctioned
under Roe v. Wade.
Did you know that?

[MonkeyFunk]

24. That's the worst haiku ever

[NattPang]

29. I provided a response

But if criticizing it
instead of discussing the
matter earnestly helps you,
than that is fine.

[MonkeyFunk]

31. Let's try a sonnet next time

you bore me.

[NattPang]

34. I'm not here for your entertainment.

[MonkeyFunk]

38. You've made that abundantly clear.

[JoFerret]

41. But you ARE

very amusing.

(Limericks can be fun)

[MonkeyFunk]

21. Show me any proposed law that makes the distinction

you point out.

[NattPang]

26. Mental Distress can be caused by drug abuse,

not enough sleep, etc.

it is a vague term.

Roe v. Wade makes a distinction
on the legality of abortions on
demand after the 2nd trimester.
The 3rd trimester is discused
as not being guaranteed.
But you knew that.

[JoFerret]

42. Are you currently in

mental distress?

[Youphemism]

43. I think it can also be caused by paying high prices for drugs. /nt

[NattPang]

14. If I recall,

you are not a supporter of Barack Obama.
He is different, but not stupid.

He realizes that he lost this battle
but that he will win the war.

[Maddy McCall]

20. Does one have to have "faith" in Obama to be a supporter of Obama?

Last I went to the polls, my vote counted without anyone standing there with a faith-o-meter.

[MonkeyFunk]

22. How is he different?

[NattPang]

33. He intends to win.

for one.

[MonkeyFunk]

39. Well please expand on that

did John Kerry not intend to win? Was it all a charade?

And explain how much "intending to win" can excuse.

Do you believe most Americans hold Republican positions on issues? Is that a good excuse for a democratic candidate taking Republican positions?

Use full sentences in your response.

[Sherman A1]

7. I don't disagree

but, we know how the other guy Will act. So I will take my chances by voting for Barack and sending my money to the ACLU.

[MonkeyFunk]

25. good plan

I will also vote for him.

My money will go to defeating the anti-gay marriage amendment here in CA.

[barack the house]

44. It is very odd that folks are getting mad now when the outrage has been non stop really.

[slinkerwink]

46. good points.

[quaker bill]

47. Elect the sane

I have been posting this message for a bit, but in much longer form. I think I am going to reduce it to a Mantra.

Take a deep breath, focus on your "quiet place" and repeat after me. ELECT THE SANE .... Elect the sane .... Elect the sane

I know, it won't fix everything, but it invariably helps.

[bowens43]

48. So that makes it all right....