Obama: Oh, one more thing...

[question everything]

He came back to the stage to ask his supporters to help Hillary pay her debt.

I wonder what kind of a reaction he would have had he came to DU and posted the same request.

Of course, his stock has been fallen here recently but he probably would still have received the same hateful responses.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=6421725

I did not bother to go back to that thread but have often wondered: why couldn't DUers just not respond, or say: sorry, no.

Why the hatred against Hillary still today? Only yesterday someone posted a really offensive cartoon (that got gazillions recs).

Earlier today I got a call hesitatingly wanting to make sure that I would help Obama. Of course, I replied. He is the nominee. "Not yet, but will you vote for him in November?" Of course, I replied. He was not my choice in the primaries but now that he is the nominee I will.

[GarbagemanLB]

1. She went into debt when it was clear she couldn't win. Her debt is her own fault and shouldn't

be held over Obama supporters' heads.

[TheDebbieDee]

6. I beg your pardon, but these primaries were very close..........

Sen. Clinton still got more than 40% of the votes cast. She would have been a fool to listen to nay-sayers and drop out in February or March as many Obama supporters wanted her to do.

Besides, it's been customary, in the past, for nominees to help other candidates retire their campaign debt once the primaries are over. Quite frankly, I find your attitude petty and childish.

[TwilightGardener]

8. I find her expectation that we Obama supporters dig up money to pay off what she incurred

trashing him and trashing us (The skies will open! Celestial choirs will be singing!) to be petty, and childish. Especially since she's worth 100 million, and I'm...uh.. not. Why do you suppose Bill can't just give a few more big-money speeches to pitch in? Maybe ante up some of that 20 million from selling his share of a dubious global-investment interest? Why?

[TheDebbieDee]

14. If you don't want to help out Sen. Clinton's campaign retire

her debt, then don't. But don't start with the BS about her "hard-headedly" continuing a campaign that couldn't possibly win. That's TOTAL BS. The campaign wasn't over til Sen. Obama reached the requisite number of delegates. And I'm proud of the fact that she stayed in it til then.

The fact that Edwards (I started off supporting Edwards but switched to Clinton after the Iowa Caucus), Biden, Dodd and the other Dem candidates threw in the towel so early makes me wonder now if they REALLY wanted that nomination.

[TwilightGardener]

16. I didn't say anything about the length of the campaign. Just not willing

to fork over my money to a woman who kitchen-sinked Barack Obama, and mocked me personally as a supporter of him--not when she's worth many millions.

[GarbagemanLB]

12. What I find childish is expecting others to take on your own debts from a poorly run campaign.

[TheDebbieDee]

15. I don't think her campaign was as poorly run as it may

have been outmanuevered (spelling) by the Obama campaign. Remember, some of the senior people on the Obama campaign had previously worked on prior campaigns for the Clintons. And I'm sure they put their previous experiences with the Clintons to good use (anticipated Clinton strategies in advance and used them first, used their contacts to feed nuggets of info/propaganda to members of the media, etc).

And there is nothing wrong with the former Clinton-now-Obama staffers using their Clinton experience/knowledge to their best advantage.

The fact that Sen. Clinton stayed in the race til it was over is seen as a personal affront to Sen. Obama. by some of his supporters and that's just SILLY AND CHILDISH.

Hillary staying in the race as long as she did was just politics - the candidates should do everything to stay in the race til it's over.

[TheDebbieDee]

2. The continuing Clinton-hate spewed on this site........

even now, after the primaries, is sometimes alarming.

[Captain Hilts]

3. Women writers, webbloggers, professors and politicians just catch more shit...

it's that simple. At my university they told me 75% of the grievances filed against professors were filed by young men against young female professors. The WP says female columnists and writers get more and nastier hate mail.

People are just more comfortable criticizing and ridiculing women.

[JohnnyLib2]

11. I think this is a big part of the answer to the OP's question.

Unfortunately.

[democrattotheend]

4. Dumb mistake on his part

But I doubt it was deliberate. I read that some of her contributors present were unimpressed with him anywya, so he might have just been tired.

[DevonRex]

5. That is NOT true about that cartoon getting gazillions of recs.

It got ONE rec. I alerted on it myself and told the poster off. And it was locked within a few minutes.

Your argument would be much more valid if you didn't say things that were not true in your post.

[MarjorieG]

7. Hill's supporters were hers, longtime, devoted, and just wanted her/a woman more than a Dem.

They will not blame her for going the distance, however much a long shot. They believe that 18 million were all hard fast fans to this day, and popular vote important, however bogus. Probably was name recognition and early voting, but also a renewed Hillary at the end, however much a different one for each state and more negative than many others liked. We'd like to say all the bad management and Mark Penn her responsibility, and her friends, but can't and won't happen. Now the roll call extortion.

There is custom and fair play at stake, but I'm conflicted on what to do. Not like I'm flush.

[Captain Hilts]

9. "just wanted her/a woman more than a Dem." She didn't get over 80% of female vote...

as Barack Obama did the black vote. I think some black voters voted "just wanted him/a black candidate more than a Dem."

[Pab Sungenis]

10. I'm all for paying Hillary's debts...to a point.

I say pay her outstanding bills, her suppliers, the health care bills for her campaign staff.

DO NOT repay the "loans" she personally made to her campaign.

[grantcart]

13. ..

Why the hatred against Hillary still today? Only yesterday someone posted a really offensive cartoon (that got gazillions recs).


Its a good question.

Why is there so much hatred here?


If you disagree with a position you are called a nazi, coward or quisling.


Possibly people find it a safe place to direct the anger from their own personal lives. Or it may be that the anger people feel

about what Bush has done in Iraq still needs to be directed and anyone who is not 100% in agreement becomes a possible target.