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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:08 AM
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Are McCain Surrogates Lying or Genuinely Confused?
There has been some minor controversies as Phil Gramm and Carly Fiorina have "misstated" Senator McCain's positions and proposals. For example, here's Fiorina misrepresenting McCain's views on abortion and birth control:

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-carly10-2008jul10,0,228806.story

We also have McCain's economic guru Phil Gramm getting heat for ripping on the American people a nation of whiners, and that economic doldrums is just in our heads.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/10/AR2008071003085.html

This makes me wonder. When McCain's advisors misspeak, are they lying? Or, are they genuinely confused about McCain's records and votes. I mean, the media frequently gives McCain the benefit of the doubt. I saw the Economist talk about McCain's "hard rightward shift" and MSNBC talk about McCain's shift toward the political center. What? He can go both ways? At the same time?

Maybe all the real flip flops are catching up with McCain so that they honestly don't know what McCain's record is, and where he stands. That is why Carly Fiorina can tell women voters that McCain never signed on to overturn Roe v. Wade. Because neither Carly nor anyone can guess whether McCain is pro-choice or right to life, which is an issue that has been on the front burner for about 30 years.

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"Recently, Newsweek magazine reported, she told women in Columbus, Ohio, that McCain "has never signed on to efforts to overturn Roe vs. Wade," the landmark Supreme Court decision confirming the right to abortion.

Actually, according to his campaign website: "John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench."
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:56 AM
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1. How can McCain keep his surrogates on the same page
when McCain doesn't even know what page he is on?
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 01:53 PM
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11. He doesn't even know what book he's reading!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 03:02 AM
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2. It's an epidemic of cluelessness and irony impairment
It's gotten bad enough that I'm getting a little worried about McCain... as in, will he really make it to November- or will "something" come up wherein he's not the candidate we're facing.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 03:14 AM
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3. I think McCain still doesn't know what he wants to be when he grows up.
Edited on Fri Jul-11-08 03:17 AM by tblue
He will say/do anything to become president, and then who knows what the hell he'll do. He doesn't even know.

There is no McCain vision, no ideology, no objective beyond winning. The rest, well, I think McCain expects to wing it. LIke B*sh 41 and 43. And even Ronald Reagan. Repug presidents are just puppets on a string. McCain will be no different. The 'advisors,' the Saudis, the multinational corps are the marionettes.

No wonder McCain's surrogates "misstate" so often. He's making it all up as he goes along.




edited for typo
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curious one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 03:20 AM
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4. Both, lying and confused. They think that they can sell McLame to voters.
They do not know that this time voters can recognize sh*t and see thru the smoke and fog.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 03:52 AM
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5. Are McCain Surrogates Lying or Genuinely Confused?
Yes.

Super terrible campaign. They really should have no chance and they probably don't have any better offering. As long as they can't get Powell, they don't have a plausible candidate in the whole lot.

I had no concept they'd buy into being McSame Campaign hook, line, and sinker. If not for media shielding this would be a roast. Hell, McCain's starting to make Dubbya look preferable. I see why the right wing nut jobs don't like him, he exudes lack of competence, poor temperament, and a dearth of processing power. The bonuses he gets over Bush in intellectual curiosity and receptiveness to different concepts is counterbalanced with plausible senility and lack of

He's really shown poor management skills and has put together a team with all the imperfections of Dubbya's with a schizoid positions on everything but blowing shit up.
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 11:10 AM
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6. I Think I Understand The Secret Plan Of The DU Trolls
Edited on Fri Jul-11-08 11:16 AM by Median Democrat
In light of John McCain's flips flops, and frequent mistatesments of his past record, the DU Trolls are secretly pushing for John McCain to get elected. Then, they hope they can convince him that he is actually Ernesto "Che" Guevara. If McCain is elected, the DU trolls might initially succeed in their plan to convince John McCain that he is Che Guevara, as he takes to wearing the trademark revolutionary beret. However, the plan would ultimately falter as a the DUers begin to attack each on the ground that Che is not leftist enough, and not a true "revolutionary." Finally, the group will splinter as the DU trolls splinter with the PUMA group threatening to support Joe Lieberman as a protest vote while the remaining DU trols say they will support McCain (who thinks he Che) while holding their nose.

:freak:
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 11:14 AM
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7. These are things we need to hit HARD on. I think the media
treats McCain with kid gloves because of his age. But that certainly should not extend to his surrogates. It may be up to us to make sure the media doesn't give them a pass.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 11:57 AM
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8. He is Incapable of Leadership. it's very simple. n/t
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 12:41 PM
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9. OR just as dumb as he is.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 12:55 PM
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10. Carly is just an imbecile, Phil is just a douchebag and a republican,
he's a republican douchebag.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 01:58 PM
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12. I've obseved McCain for a long time. He HAS NO PRINCIPLES. None.
He thinks he does and therefore has managed to hoodwink the lazy media into calling him a maverick but he votes with the Republican administration every gd time.

He can't keep himself on the same page, how can he keep his handlers/surrogates there, too?
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