Who is your LEAST favorite for VP?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

[Drunken Irishman]

1. I could live with all of those, so I won't say hate.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

3. yep, just changed it to least fav. I personally can't stand Bayh -

after I heard him talk about how legit the 04 election was. Also, he
his haircut has always given me the creeps for some reason

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

39. That is one whacked out hair do...The guy's a milquetoast.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

47. I know - he just strikes me as an intellectually lazy, "pretty" boy

(not to me), that got where he is because of his dad

[Clark2008]

81. It looks like John Edwards' haircut.

[JTFrog]

85. It looks like a failed attempt at a John Edwards haircut. Edwards always looks slammin! n/t

[Clark2008]

108. Not really - despite the $200 price tag.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

107. yes, but Bayh's looks like a wig just plopped on his head Edwards'

looks like it's actually growing out of his head. what's funny is for Edwards, to
me, it looks just too perfect. What men don't know is that women probably like
it a little more messy

[Lord Helmet]

2. Clinton because she caused too much ugly during the primary

and some of her supporters have gone off the deep end and are trying to cause all kinds of trouble still

[Laura PourMeADrink]

4. I agree - but I somehow got beyond it - only because if she

could win Ohio for him - and he has said he is weak on
keeping up with all the detail and she stikes me as
probably really good at that -- her info retention
is amazing.

But, she hurt him by staying in - and I still hate
her for that. But, it might be better to have
her on his side than working passive aggressively
behind the scenes. I want him to win - and whatever
it takes.

Still got the Bill issue though.

[Lord Helmet]

11. she screwed up the money situation by not stopping

I max'd out my credit card donating to him and I'm just a student, had to because she wouldn't stop. Now she expects her huge debt to be paid off by people that are struggling and are pissed off at her. Good thing he's doing good and doesn't need her because everybody I know is still pissed at her

[Laura PourMeADrink]

15. That's a great point I hadn't thought about. All that money we

gave that could have been used against McPain. Who knows, maybe that
was part of her plan? No one could figure out why she stayed in
despite the mathematical impossibility of her winning. Maybe she
thought - hell if I can't get it - I'll make him spend all his
money so it will dry up and McCain will beat him. Or, maybe I
am just crazy.

[ruggerson]

5. Nunn or Hagel

[Forkboy]

Agree on both.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

6. thanks - just took Richardson and Gore off - against all good

polling practices, I know!

[Saturday]

9. What? I just voted for Richardson. nt

[Laura PourMeADrink]

16. sorry. that's my bad. I wanted to add nunn and hagel and no

one had picked Richardson or Gore so I replaced them.

Duly noted - 1 vote for Richardson !

[Herman74]

21. Agreed. And I went with Nunn. n/t

[mrs_p]

68. me too

[quakerboy]

62. YUP.

[Mass]

84. Totally agree. I voted Hagel, but Nunn is a close second and Bayh would come just after.

[JerseygirlCT]

105. Could Bayh be more boring a choice? nt

[Saturday]

7. I have to say Richardson.

I know the man has credentials but to listen to him I just think he can't get his words out. Obama is such a great speaker that I don't want Richardson on the same stage with Obama.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

14. NNNoooo

Just kidding. Yep, he's not the smoothest, you are right. But there's a certain
chemistry between them that I like. He's got gravitas that grounds Obama. And
Bill could teach O so much about the ways of international government and
diplomacy since he's probably got all the connections already. Plus he's
a huge proponent of alternative energy - a big goal for Obama.

I was actually quite surprised when I looked up all he had done in his career
and in NM. He's no slouch. He also broke the record for shaking the most
hands during a campaign event.

Did I convince you yet? haha

[Awsi Dooger]

26. Definitely Richardson

I want someone solid at VP. Richardson is all over the place, from his Klingon facial hair to the defensive posture he always finds himself in debates, explaining and apologizing for everything.

I can't see Richardson succeeding Obama as president in 8 years. There would be relentless questions like the ones applied to Gore, "Does he have what it takes?"

[tokenlib]

8. Biden for his cozy bank and credit card lender ties...

...actually I would have went with Bayh--but too many people here at DU give Biden a pass on this...

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

22. I still harbor resentment towards Biden from the Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas hearings

According to Anita Hill's lawyer, Biden lied his ass off in the hearings. Angela Wright who was also subpoenaed was never called to testify. Her testimony would have corroborated Anita Hill's statement as she experienced similar acts of sexual harrassment by Thomas. Biden said that he didn't call Angela Wright to testify because she didn't want to appear. But that claim has been totally repudiated by the facts. Biden's staffers asked Angela Wright to ask for withdrawl of the subpoena.

And Biden stated that he didn't call Anita Hill back to rebut the claims she was lying because her counsel refused. Anita Hill's counsel has accused Biden of lying and that it was Biden himself who didn't want her to testify a second time and clear the record.

And there was the question of the lie detector test that Anita Hill passed and that Biden claimed was irrelevant. You can bet that if Anita Hill had failed that lie detector test, the Republicans like Orrin Hatch would have made frequent references to it and to its relevancy.

I think Biden is probably the best politician and most powerful public speaker among the list of VP candidates. He might even make a very good VP candidate. But I wouldn't want Biden to have a chance to become President in 8 years because I just don't trust him when the chips are down.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

27. His wife died after that, right? He seems, to me anyway, so

much more likeable now. He used to be so much more of a blowhard - very self absorbed. He
seems to have mellowed a lot.

He never struck me as dishonest though - thanks for informing me !

[gateley]

34. It should be noted that Biden voted AGAINST Thomas.

I know a lot of people have the above memory and feelings about the hearings. I've read both 'sides' but have been unable to locate any film of it to be able to come to my own conclusion. We all interpret things differently.

It's my firm belief that Biden is one of the most honest and forthcoming Senators.

For what it's worth. :shrug:

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

43. Senator Paul Simon was critical of Biden's handling of those hearings

I remember those hearings and followed them on television. I was personally acquainted with one of Anita Hill's corroborating witnesses, Judge Susan Hoerchner. I appeared quite a few times before Judge Hoerchner as an attorney and spoke to her about her testimony in her chambers after the hearings were completed. A Yale grad, Judge Hoerchner always struck me as being a very honest Judge, beyond reproach.

Senator Simon who was a member of the committee that Biden chaired stated that if they had been made aware of the three other witnesses who had similar stories about Thomas, that he would have never been confirmed. Biden I think was playing politics and was very afraid of Republican accusations that he was being racist. I think he capitulated to the Republicans and then lied about why the other corroborating witnesses were not called and why Anita Hill was never called back to testify and rebut the claims that she was lying. That's what bothered me about Biden, the fact that he was less than honest about the decisions he made.

[jillan]

61. He also kept a witness from testifying who worked with Hill and wanted to testify that she used to

brag about dating Thomas...which would have done damage to her credibility.

It helps immensely to know ALL the facts, not just one side of the story.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

90. That in itself is troubling about the man

All the evidence should have come in before the committee and all relevant testimony should have been heard; no political game-playing, no beltway back door deals, no lying after the fact about the decisions that he made and why. Anita Hill's credibility was extremely strong and the three corroborating witnesses, if called, would have made Thomas' nomination to the Supreme Court DOA.

[Muttocracy]

41. Biden's first wife died just after his first election in 1972

long before he was head of Judiciary Committee, 1987-1994.

He married his wife Jill in 1977.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

45. thanks. I heard a story about it -- that he was totally despondent

and his kids inspired him to come back to the real world and not give up living.

[Muttocracy]

49. Some elder Senators convinced him to give it a try at least and he began his famous commute

as the Washington insider who's never lived there.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

65. Looks like he won the poll ! Of course I didn't have Gore or

Richardson on here. So, there you go, our top three:

Gore
Richardson
Biden

Wish we could have them all !!

[WheelWalker]

42. Yawn.....

[TwilightGardener]

10. Clinton--just today they're pimping stories about how much the press

misses her "drama". Good Christ--she'd suck all the oxygen out the campaign.

[Muttocracy]

76. sorry kids, you had your turn with the election

Grumbled the voter whose top choices were ignored ...

[vaberella]

12. Rendell is my pick. But he wasn't on the list so I went Clinton.

I can't forgive the dirty politics she was playing during the primaries, her actions were underhanded.

[BeatleBoot]

13. Hillary. Because She Voted Against the Wiretapping FISA Bill

:rofl:

[vaberella]

18. LOL

Stop that was way too funny.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Stuff came out my nose. :D

[Skip Intro]

63. LOL!

[terrya]

17. Sam Nunn

I don't know why this name is being floated.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. I guess GA and his foreign policy experience? - but although

many of us think he needs to sure up his foreign policy - I think he won't do that. Mainly
because he said he doesn't think that is where he is weak. He didn't say where he was weak
but I personally think he will go with someone he likes and someone who is a good administrator -
since he said he's not good with keeping up with detail.

[LisaM]

20. How anyone could vote for Hagel (NOT pro-choice) is beyond me

It's insane. Who are we? You'd vote against someone like Clinton, reliably pro-choice, for a novelty pick like Hagel?

Oh, and I voted before I read that people here "hate" Hillary. Let go of it. She had every right to run and to stay in. How I wished she'd won, but really, I thought we weren't supposed to bash anymore.

[TwilightGardener]

24. Funny, it turns out that Hagel was on Hillary's VP short list. Ironic, eh?

[LisaM]

25. What list was that?

I've never heard that, and I just (admittedy briefly) googled it, but I did not find any list of Hillary's with Hagel listed as a potential VP. I also don't think that she would put an anti-abortion person on a ticket.

[TwilightGardener]

31. Ruth Marcus, WaPo reporter, said that Hillary had been seriously considering

putting Hagel on her ticket. Just today. Teehee!

[LisaM]

32. So in other words, it's hearsay

just saying.

[TwilightGardener]

33. But...interesting, isn't it? Apparently that was the buzz in Washington.

Hey, I like Hagel, it's a credit to Hillary for being that shrewd.

[LisaM]

36. I don't like any candidate that takes away a woman's right to her own body

or who wants to. I don't like Hagel. And even if some Washington Post reporter (especially one whom the Daily Howler derides as being dishonest: http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh030508.shtml ) says Hillary might have picked Hagel, I don't personally see how she could have. Politics may make strange bedfellows, but Obama and Hillary would be well advised to steer clear of anyone awarded a 0% approval rating by NARAL.

[blm]

86. No Dem supported the Bush2 presidency more than Bill Clinton from 2001-2006.

Going on a booktour in June/July 2004 and defending Bush on his terrorism and Iraq war decisions in nearly every interview Bill did was sheer genius....for Hillary2008.

Clintons and their loyal operatives didn't mind having an anti-choice President for 8 years.

[TexasObserver]

23. Hagel. He's a Republican, and not just by a little bit.

[Awsi Dooger]

28. I didn't even consider Hagel

Can't believe he's on the list. Just noticed that. No Republicans, that's the first criteria.

[Muttocracy]

50. talk of Hagel had died down but now with the Iraq trip w/ Obama I'm sure it will be back. nt

[Bjorn Against]

29. I had to go with Nunn

I don't like Hillary either, but if people actually were voting on their policies Nunn is far worse than Hillary.

[Seen the light]

30. Wow, the Hillary haters are pathetic

Seriously? You'd rather have Sam Nunn or Chuck Hagel?

[Arugula Latte]

57. So everyone who voted "Clinton" hates her?

[Seen the light]

95. Well......probably so actually

[That Is Quite Enough]

35. I voted for Bayh, but I missed Nunn.

[newmajority]

37. Tie between Hagel and Nunn

Closely followed by another tie between Hillary & Bayh.

[saltpoint]

38. For me, it's Sam Nunn. I'm just not a fan of Sam Nunn.

In fact I can hardly stand him.

[JerseygirlCT]

104. Me either

But all the Hagel love around here edged him out in my vote.

[ruggerson]

40. How any progressive can vote for Bayh or Hillary as being worse than Nunn or Hagel

is way beyond me. It shows how completely fucked up a lot of people here are.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

46. I think it's just the initial gut reaction. It's always about who you

like first, isn't it. Then the policies. There are a couple (only a couple) that I really like - but more
on the personal level and not the political level. I don't think anyone seriously thinks O would pick Hagel, do you?

[ruggerson]

48. Let's hope not

but it's disturbing that people who think they are progressives hate good Democrats so much that they would prefer Sam Nunn, a notorious homophobe, and Chuck Hagel, who is against a woman's right to choose and is basically a rightwing nightmare except for his position on Iraq. Basically, these idiots are telling the women and gay people in their life to fuck off.

The first criteria for Veep is to remember that they may suddenly become President at a moment's notice.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

69. You know, I never thought about it - but you are right. Dems

vote more on feelings and personalities. Repukes overlook that and rally around whomever
can win and whomever fills their pocketbooks and whomever can start the most war.

[goodgd_yall]

44. Hagel and Nunn both n/t

[baldguy]

51. No Republicans,

That crosses Nunn and Clinton off the list

[lastliberalintexas]

54. But not Hagel?

:eyes:

At least Clinton is adamantly pro-choice and Nunn moderately so.

[lastliberalintexas]

52. LOL, yeah I guess the primary wars are over

:eyes:

I can not believe that ANY Dem would be disliked more than a right wing but case like Chuck Hagel. FFS, I freaking loathe Sam Nunn, yet I'd take him every day and twice on Sundays before even considering Hagel. Some of you people are letting your Clinton Hatred reappear from the 90s.

[Labors of Hercules]

53. would you mind at least spelling her name correctly?

bloody fucking hell. Is there no respect in this place?

You know who I'm referring to... :grr:

[Laura PourMeADrink]

67. too late - sorry, I googled and this spelling came out on top

So sue me. By the way, being an environmentalist and spouting unnecessary
venom seem diametrically opposed.

[Labors of Hercules]

83. As an environmentalist, I have nothing but venom...

toward what "humanity" has done to this planet. But you're right, I was a bit inebriated and going through a rough patch at the moment... I apologize.

[Danger Mouse]

55. Nunn. Might as well run McLurkin as his VP.

[anonymous171]

102. lol Hagel beats Hillary.

[Name removed]

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[Rowdyboy]

58. Twice as many people hate Bayh as do Hagel or Nunn? What are you people smoking?

For Christ's sake, Evan is a moderate but he's certainly more rational than Sam "Don't Ask Don't Tell" Nunn or Chuck Freaking Hagel, proud rightwing conservative.

You people are really strange. I don't like Evan Bayh, but have some perspective, please.

[last_texas_dem]

59. Hagel

Sure, he has come out against the Iraq occupation in recent years, but are there any other issues he isn't a wingnut on?

[AllHereTruth]

60. NO

I wont vote in a poll where that have a vast majority more votes for Clinton than a Repub.

Thats just bullshit guys

[Laura PourMeADrink]

74. yep. visceral dislike for her has skewed this - should have stipulated

[paulk]

78. why bother?

this poll says everything you need to know about DU....

and what people's opinions here are really worth.

[MH1]

109. I agree with you!

From one staunch Obama supporter to a staunch Clinton supporter, I heartily agree - Hillary "winning" this poll rather than Hagel - the only R on it - is just ridiculous and really says something (not good) about DU.

[WinkyDink]

64. The REPUBLICAN. OMG, there's a REASON, people, HE has decided that's the Party for him.

[butterfly77]

66. None of the above..

especially not HILLARY CLINTON!

[Onlooker]

70. Wow, 49% chose Clinton

No wonder Clinton supporters still aren't coming around. No wonder Obama only raised a small part of his goal for June. Until more Obama supporters get over their Hillary hate (actually preferring reactionaries like Hagel and Nunn to her!), he will not raise the kind of money he was anticipating. Between the Hillary hate and Obama's pandering to the right, it's no surprise that McCain with the RNC is keeping pace in the fundarising department. I can see not wanting Clinton for VP, but frankly she's a far better choice than many of the names in the OP's poll. I'm actually starting to wonder how much Obama support was simply anti-Hillary (or even anti-woman). Now that Hillary's out, the enthusiasm for Obama seems to be diminishing.

[CTyankee]

71. An interesting take. Not sure I agree but I see your reasoning here.

It kind of ties in with my theory that it's going to be a lot tougher than we think to get a black man elected president. I still think Obama will make it, but I don't think we should be surprised that there is still racism in this country.

[anonymous171]

99. HRC's base didn't have deep pockets, which is why she is in debt.

So appeasing her supporters won't do much in the way of fundraising.

[old mark]

72. Clinton is my least favorite.

She would cost votes, respect for Obama. I would vote for this ticket, but only because they are Democrats. It would cause me to give up any hope that the system will change.
I would vote for Obama no matter who he chooses for VP.
mark

[bigwillq]

73. Hagel

I don't want a Republican on the Democratic ticket.

[frogmarch]

75. Hagel's a republican. Check his voting record.

Why would anyone think that someone who votes with the republicanz on every issue should be Obama's vp?

If Hagel's on the Democratic ticket next fall, I won't vote.

[NC_Nurse]

77. I don't know. I'm going to trust Obama on this one.

Anything beats Darth Cheney. He's set the bar below ground level.

[iamthebandfanman]

79. wow clinton over republicans?

thats interesting.

i thought hillary ran an awful and dirty campaign but damn, id never wish a republican over her. lol

[Clark2008]

80. Why do you have everyone else by last name except Wes Clark?

You have him listed as, "Wes."

I'm not complaining. It's just an observation. :)

[Laura PourMeADrink]

89. I have no idea why I did that - Maybe because for years and

years I have liked him and always wanted him to be president?

[Mass]

82. Some people may want to change party affiliation. There should be a consensus on Hagel.

He has nothing to do on a Democratic ticket. It is deeply shocking that 4 times more people say Clinton than Hagel, and this is not an endorsement for Clinton on the ticket, believe me, but a deep incredulity that progressive would want to see him on a Democratic ticket.

[Colobo]

87. Mr. BAH... sorry, Bayh...

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

88. Bayh then Hagel/Nunn.

I could live with the rest.

[AZBlue]

91. Clinton gives the GOP too much to use against us.

First there's hers and Bill's baggage. But more importantly than that is the tone of Clinton's primary campaign - all her speeches against Obama will be used in GOP ads, showing that the two aren't really a team and that the Dems can't be trusted.

[Egnever]

92. Interesting results

according to this poll if Obama picked biden he would get the least negative response.

[Muttocracy]

96. at least on a first round of elimination

there are a lot of DUers who hate Biden who might just hate someone else a little more.

[Rowdyboy]

93. No to Nunn, HELL NO to Hagel...any of the others are fine

[LeftishBrit]

94. Not up to me but I think either Hagel or Nunn would be disastrous.

Hagel is a Republican FFS. Nunn seems on all accounts to be a worse DINO than Lieberman was. Apart from all other considerations, I think that having a RW vice president would increase the danger of some far-rightie taking a pot-shot at Obama.

[sampsonblk]

97. Hillary - She burned her bridge with me big time

She ran up a huge debt by not dropping out of the race when it was clear she couldn't win. She damaged our nominee in the process. Now she wants help getting out of debt.

I wouldn't vote for her for dog catcher. Not even Vice Dog Catcher.

[Brigid]

98. I went with Clinton.

I like her, but the last thing Obama will need once he takes office is to have to deal with Bill Clinton's ego.

[thewiseguy]

100. Why didnt you put Richardson's name in the mix?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

106. because he is my favorite. Very skewed and unprofessional of

me, isn't it. Actually, I had it, but he had no votes, so I switched Hagel for Bill.
I also did the same with Gore for Nunn.

[Runcible Spoon]

101. I wonder how many idiots chose Clinton/Bayh because they didn't know jack shit about Hagel or Nunn

:nuke: Get a fucking CLUE PEOPLE.

[JerseygirlCT]

103. Hagel. But Nunn's a very close second.

Jerks.

[NYC_SKP]

110. The Clintons are damaging Obama's campaign as we breath.

I've concluded that she is providing a calculatedly minimal amount of support designed to prevent blowback without actually helping Obama in any meaningful way.

And Bill Clinton is an utter embarrassment in his lack of support of the party and the nominee.

She could be addressing the spin-off wacky groups with an address or with articles, but isn't.

And she should eat the debt that accumulated during her sorry ass failed attempt to destroy our nominee.

She's still in it to win it, if not this year then in 2012.

I need some coffee.

And a donut.

:donut:

[Laura PourMeADrink]

111. Yep. But, do you think what she can damage is done? O was

way ahead in the polls but it has tightened to 0-4 pts. Maybe that's the worst
of her affect? and the only way now is up -- with the convention hoopla and
a vp?

[NYC_SKP]

113. I hope you're right, but in the same way that Nader made a little difference..

...and that little difference, it seems mighty sad (and unnecessary) that Obama has had to put up with this "weight" working against his momentum.

I get nervous thinking about it.

I just want one new fresh dynamic great president to take office before I die.

[Marie26]

112. Why isn't Hagel number one?

Jeez, people would rather have a conservative Republican?

[ruggerson]

115. Incredible, isn't it?

[shayes51]

116. Because some folks are using this poll

to bash Hillary yet one more time. It's a sport here on DU.

[highplainsdem]

118. True.

[mucifer]

117. agreed. Hagel is by far the worst choice.

[LWolf]

114. The republican is in 2nd place a full 117 votes behind the 1st place democrat.

DU needs to change the "About DU" page. I suggest these changes:

"Democratic Underground (DU) was founded on Inauguration Day, January 20, 2001, to protest the illegitimate presidency of George W. Bush and to provide a resource for the exchange and dissemination of liberal and progressive ideas. Since then, DU has become one of the premier purple websites on the Internet, publishing original content six days a week, and hosting one of the Web's most active purple discussion boards.

We welcome purple Democrats of all stripes, along with other Democrats who will work with us to achieve our purple goals. While the vast majority of our visitors are Democrats, this web site is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, nor do we claim to speak for the party as a whole.

Democratic Underground would not be possible without the participation of purple -minded individuals from across the country and, indeed, from around the world. The content for the site is provided by people who feel that their purple views are not represented by the conservative "mainstream" media in the U.S. We accept article submissions from those on purple Democrats who wish to write, so that DU represents a variety of purple viewpoints. We have a particular appreciation for satire and humor."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/about.html

[11 Bravo]

119. The fact that a Democrat can receive more than 3 times as many votes as a Repug ...

in an ostensibly DEMOCRATIC forum is indicative of how truly fucked I fear my party may be.

[Solon]

120. I don't like Clinton that much, but to vote for her over Hagel or Nunn?

Some people are really fucked in the head for voting that way.