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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-11-08 11:57 PM Original message |
I'm angry about FISA. But I'm angry at the right people, and not for primary reasons. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-11-08 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. Agree totally. They put Obama in a no-win situation. nt |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
2. Beautifully stated. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Damn thanks. You're one of the best writers at this place. |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
4. The way people lose the forest for the trees is what drives me nuts - like hurting the Obama |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:06 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. We regularly eat our own and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:07 AM Response to Original message |
6. I have said that twice in my posts. That I think the congressional leaders put him on the spot. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:08 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. You're right... a lot of us, on either side of the "debate" were a little knee-jerk |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:10 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Instead I have been asked not to post in this forum about FISA |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 12:44 AM Response to Reply #9 |
98. if they tried to run you out |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:09 AM Response to Original message |
8. Well said |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:11 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Interestingly... is there more than one Reid in the Senate? Because a Reid voted No. |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:14 AM Original message |
I think there are two though I believe the spelling is different |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
24. Seriously! Me too. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:11 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. What the hell do you think I have been saying? |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:22 AM Response to Reply #11 |
21. I think you have been saying FISA bad |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. I think we are through communicating. |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:32 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Fine by me |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:12 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. The "War On Drugs" had already eviscerated the bill of rights long ago. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Yep, along with COINTELPRO and ECHELON.... |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:26 AM Response to Reply #12 |
25. I agree we have put the 4th amendment aside in a lot of instances |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 04:39 AM Response to Reply #8 |
59. And Hoyer, too |
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brindis_desala (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 09:50 AM Response to Reply #59 |
73. you sir, understand politics. Obama ain't stupid |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #59 |
89. Good points |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
13. K and Fucking R best FISA post yet. Perfect. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
14. A senator's vote is not symbolic and he voted for a piece of terrible |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:18 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Yes. It is symbolic, when the vote cannot change the outcome. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:25 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. I think you still misunderstand the reaons Obama voted for this. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. CNN has him up by 8. And I never said he did it to win votes. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:30 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. That's only rationale that's been offered, and yes, it's ludicrous. (n/t) |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:31 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Down to one liners, now. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:32 AM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Uh, I have a question: |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 02:38 AM Response to Reply #23 |
46. ... |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 02:45 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Link please to the quotes you attributed to me. |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 02:52 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Not meant as direct quotes ... |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 02:54 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Please link to the remarks you put in quotations marks -- all of them -- or delete them. |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 03:14 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. I've already explained ... |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 03:22 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I'm going to have to ask you again not to misquote me. |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 03:35 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. In other words ... |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 03:41 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. In other words your question was foolish to being with. |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 04:15 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. So Obama DID accept a "payoff" ... |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 04:25 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. I'm sorry but I'm going to have to put you on my ignore list. (n/t) |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 04:41 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. lol |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 09:52 AM Response to Reply #57 |
74. Ha ha ha ha, you got your ASS HANDED TO YOU!!! |
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Patchuli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #57 |
80. Your loss to ignore Nance |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 04:40 AM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Her point being that there's not much substance, and no way to argue against |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 04:38 AM Response to Reply #50 |
58. um... how about HERE: |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:00 AM Response to Reply #58 |
77. Well, that link pretty much says it all. Not that anyone would have |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 09:06 AM Response to Reply #23 |
64. First off, it's one poll |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 09:49 AM Response to Reply #23 |
72. Complete bullshit for all of you who read that. Please discount as the ravings of a lunatic. |
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Patchuli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #23 |
79. It was my understanding |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:16 AM Response to Original message |
16. How very odd the attacks on me, but I said basically the same thing. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:19 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. I for one, apologize. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I appreciate that. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #16 |
34. Not really. You started attacking Obama. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 09:18 AM Response to Reply #34 |
67. That is a bald-faced lie. I have hardly mentioned Obama. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #16 |
75. BS. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
19. I just don't buy the argument that he'd have "thrown the election" by voting on principle. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:25 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. I understand what you're saying, but remember I didn't say it would - I said it could... |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #22 |
35. And I understand what you're saying, but when a servant of the people is called upon to defend our |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 02:00 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Look, I respect your position and you've been very civil. |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:31 AM Response to Reply #19 |
30. I think thats exactly where we get into trouble with this thing |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Actually, on that front, I say check out the ACLU analysis of the bill |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. And we've been through this too PH. We've actually |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:45 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Execpt that I worked for the ACLU, and I trust their analysis. |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:07 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. well see theres another problem we have |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:54 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. That blog link was very good, and I'm reading Parts I and II now. |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 02:00 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. absolutely not |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 02:31 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Exactly. But no one has said it was perfect. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 02:52 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Yes, this whole subthread has been highly interesting - and I feel a little disappointed |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 03:09 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Now now dont get crazy |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 04:45 AM Response to Reply #51 |
62. No, I'm not going crazy.... however... |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #62 |
87. It is frustrating |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 09:32 AM Response to Reply #48 |
71. I understand. I feel the same way to a certain extent. But, having |
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renaissanceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #19 |
76. I completely agree with you. |
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Patchuli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #19 |
81. The public doesn't have a long attention span |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:26 AM Response to Original message |
38. gd>>>>P |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 02:26 AM Response to Original message |
43. "gift-wrap and hand the GOP everything it has been desperately hoping for" |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 02:29 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. I don't think so. |
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Patchuli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #43 |
83. "gift-wrap and hand the GOP everything it has been desperately hoping for" |
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Youphemism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 05:36 AM Response to Original message |
63. I made a similar post earlier... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
65. I have been a repeated critic of Obama's failure to follow through on his pledge to the grassroots. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:30 PM Response to Reply #65 |
94. I am not making excuses for Obama. I absolutely think he did the right thing and I'm glad he did it |
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gerhard the whale (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
66. Is there a plus side to his mis-vote? |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #66 |
93. Once the damage was done (allowing the bill to the floor) the plus side was: |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
68. It's the job of the Democratic house and senate leadership to keep the bill OFF the floor. |
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Patchuli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #68 |
82. That's totally correct! |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
69. I am in perfect agreement with you. I do NOT want to silence |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
70. And with that OP, you just blew a whole (swift)boat-load of Disruptors out of the water! |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
78. I agree that Pelosi and Reid are the ones who hold primary responsibility... |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #78 |
92. "Some" not "Sole" |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 12:18 AM Response to Reply #92 |
96. I never said sole so please don't put that word in quotes when responding to me... |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. I wasn't quoting you. I was attempting empahsis - should have used * |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
84. permission to proceed bashing Pelosi? |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. You don't know what. How about we try sticking to facts for once. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
85. You're Quite Incorrect |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Capitalizing each word does not lend the credibility to your post that you think it does. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:16 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Your post doesn't even make sense. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
88. Political Heretic, I've always considered your analysis the most fair on here. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. thank you so much for the kind words. |
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