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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:59 AM
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Mark my words, Chuck Hagel will have a role in Obama's administration
with him accompanying Obama to Iraq, it solidifies my feelings that he will be asked to become one of his advisors, if not a cabinet member.


Bank on it.

That is all.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:04 PM
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1. He would be a good addition to O's administration.
Although he's far too conservative on many issues, I'd feel confident with him as SOD.


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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:07 PM
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2. Yep, keeps him out of policy decisions like Gay marriage and a Woman's right to choose
He can work on the destruction of the Universe, just keep him out of our bedrooms.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:10 PM
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3. I'm fine with that, but he's not an acceptable choice for VP
He is far too conservative on too many issues to become President if something were to happen to Obama. He might be a good choice for Secretary of Defense although he needs to be fully committed to holding KBR accountable.

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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:23 PM
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4. Agree. nt
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:50 PM
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5. What a shame. That doesn't speak well of Obama. Chuck Hagel is a throwback to the dark ages.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 06:41 PM
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17. Doesn't "speak well of Obama" -----?
Why?

Because he's willing to put people of all political persuasions in his administration?!?

Did you think Bill Clinton was crazy when selected William Cohen as his Secretary of Defense?




I say kudos to Senator Obama for considering whoever he thinks is best for various positions in his administration, not for the letter after their name.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 07:29 AM
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31. Have *you* ever spoke well of Obama? Just sayin.....
:shrug:
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:57 PM
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6. Appoint him to lead a presidential commission on election reform
He knows how the electro-fraud machines work. Tell him he has to hand over the ES&S source code as a condition of employment.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 01:05 PM
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7. Obssesed much? n/r
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 03:28 PM
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12. I would say that perhaps you are the one who is obsessed.
You seem to be here on this board, only to advance the idea of putting an election stealing Republican bastard on the Democratic Party ticket.

Why is that?
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 04:07 PM
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15. Since you asked...
my $3000/month check just arrived in the mail together with a note that if I keep pushing the election stealing bastard it may go up next month ;-). I just think you are wrong to keep bringing up these accusations, that's all. You disagree, I am sure, not much I can do about it.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 01:06 PM
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8. I was going to say that too !
And ditto on the source code!! You said it well !!
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 01:09 PM
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9. What is the obsession with Hagel? He's just a repackaged Liebermann.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 03:30 PM
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13. At least Lieberman won his elections legally.
Granted, what he did the last time wouldn't be legal in many states, but unfortunately, it was in Connecticut. :evilfrown:
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:27 PM
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42. Hagel is FAR more conservative than McCain, let alone LIEberman.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 01:29 PM
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10. Dept. of Veterans Affairs, perhaps?
He IS a Vietnam veteran after all.

:think:
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 04:09 PM
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16. I could live with that.
Though if it were me, I'd probably appoint Max Cleland to that position.
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Robbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 02:30 PM
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11. Prediction
Hagel will not be VP however he will endorse Obama(Obama will use him to counter Lieberman's attacks on him) and In 2009 Hagel will be appointed Defense Secretary and work to get out of Iraq as much as possable.
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 03:50 PM
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14. I like that idea.
In other news: Joe Lieberman is a douchebag.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 06:44 PM
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18. I hope so.
I've always liked him. He's a bit conservative for me, but for a cabinet member ideology isn't the most important characteristic. I look more to integrity, character and intelligence, and I think Hagel has all those qualities. I think it's really important to have a balanced cabinet so you get different points of view. I don't like it when any leader surrounds themself with yes men.
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stimbox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 06:52 PM
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19. That's just dandy...
:puke:
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:03 PM
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20. Sen. Hagel is an anti-neocon Republican - he absolutely loathes those evil bastards
He is however also a traditional Reaganite Republican on most other issues.

What I do see good about him is that he does have the national security and foreign foreign background and the foreign policy credibility to stand up against the Neocons and if he did have a prominent position in the Obama Administration, he would be a strong voice of reason on what I believe is the single most important issue; preventing any more imperial wars in the Middle East. He is also someone who understands at least the Machiavellian necessity of working aggressively for peace in the Middle East.

In many ways, given his particular background, he would be a much stronger and persuasive influence in deterring foolish military adventures than any liberal Democrat could ever be.

Having sad that, I repeat, he is on almost every domestic issue a traditional Reaganite Republican.

Still, as much as I believe in liberal and social-democratic principles on domestic and social matters, "There will be no one to save with the world in a grave." Given his impressive and even conservative and hawkish security credentials, there could be no stronger person in a future Obama Administration to lead American away from the abyss of a destructive and self-destructive foreign policy. And for the cause of peace I would dine with the devil himself.
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stimbox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:39 PM
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21. There are plenty of anti-neocon Democrats to choose from.
All the purple, reach across the aisle stuff is getting out of hand.


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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 12:35 AM
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23. The era of partisan politics is over.
I wish.

I love, and fully endorse, Obama's vision of change, which is a post-partisan america ... no red states and blue states, just the united states.... hearing from all sides, working together.

It's the way forward.
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stimbox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 12:44 AM
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24. That sounds like a dead end to me.
A totally watered-down sell out.
Count me out.
There are certain core issues that you cannot compromise on.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 12:53 AM
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25. It's not about compromising core values - its about George Lakoffian re-framing
Liberal values are already American values.... we've just been horribly pathetic and framing issues. My hope for Obama is that he is going to shift political language in this country, and I think his current approach has the potential to do just that.
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stimbox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 01:25 AM
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26. Your previous post suggested triangulation not reframing.
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 01:25 AM by stimbox
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 09:33 AM
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32. No, it didn't.
That's what you inferred which I can't control.
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stimbox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:58 PM
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39. Purple triangles
"no red states and blue states, just the united states.... hearing from all sides, working together."

Sounds like triangulation to me.

Or is the Purple Dialogue the new triangulation?

http://purplepeoplepower.net/


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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 12:33 AM
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22. Good.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 02:00 AM
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27. I think there are places where Hagel could be useful
Like defense or foreign policy, where no social issues are at stake. Clearly the idea of reaching across the isle would benefit Obama.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 02:51 AM
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28. Hagel is just a whore version of Pat Buchanan with better hair.
Tell me one area where they differ. What a sick fucking idea. The guy gets a 100% rating from the fascists on everything but his current opinion on the war in Iraq, which he voted for, and some ignorant idiots think he's a real cutey for that one opinion. He's a suck-up opportunist who represents the very worst in AmeriKKKan politics. Total Slime. Don't be played for a sucker.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 02:59 AM
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29. Is he against the war? Then he is useful in his strength for us
we're not talking about Hannity here, this guy has balls and can back it up.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 07:17 AM
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30. Yes, an opportunist
that did everything he could to be adored by the republican base. What a piece of spineless shit.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:04 AM
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33. Agree
I just hope it's not in a position that has anything to do w/domestic policy.
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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:05 AM
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34. agreed, but not VP
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:09 AM
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35. Thats a real possibility
but never VP.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 03:02 PM
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36. Nope nevar, nopes, uh no, just in the cabinet
yuppers
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:16 PM
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37. If Obama places him in a high position ....he will force me to stay home in Nov
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 04:18 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 08:00 PM
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38. You won't know that till AFTER the election
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:21 PM
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40. Secretary of Defense might be good - as it's an area where they agree
If that's the case, I wouldn't be surprised if Obama actually pre-announced that. It would immediately give Obama additional weight in that area.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:22 PM
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41. There are PLENTY of good Democrats - screw Hagel
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allen6362 Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:46 PM
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43. Hagel is an ok Republican
He is no better than any Democrat, but he's by far better than Rove et. al.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 03:12 AM
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44. Huck Fagel.
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