Fox news to "explain" the inside joke of the New Yorker cover. The panel will include

[Neshanic]

Hume, Hannity, Bennett, Geraldo, Greta and other open minds.

Don't worry, Joe six pack will get it. Really.

[Avalux]

1. There you go.

I have a feeling the 'explanation' will not include the word satire. :eyes:

[oldtime dfl_er]

3. Nor that this issue

is about the politics of fear, fear tactics, smear, etc.

[scarletwoman]

2. Good post. Thanks. rec'd (nt)

[Hutzpa]

37. I take it you're a Faux fan then

unbelievable........:puke:

[cliffordu]

4. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner.

This is really going to dominate both the MSM for a week or two, and every gas station office wall for the forseeable future. Probably a lot of low information voter workplaces, too.

[karynnj]

20. You are totally right

The problem is that some of the journalists and columnists on the left simply do not get the damage they do. This poster will be used to cement the fears of some that could potentially have been swayed with an accurate portrayal. The cartoonish likely thought he was very clever -- just as clever as Maureen doubt fabricating a quote that made Kerry sound like the right wing thinks of him - and how no one who has had the pleasure to speak to him thinks he is. The problem is that even the NEW YORK TIMES later quoted Kerry as having said "Who among us is not a NASCAR fan?" and saying that this was why he seemed out of touch! They did the same to Gore. Now, the same thing is happening to Obama.

Here is an excellent blog post that speaks of the problem with the way the left treats the candidates working their hearts out to win better than I ever could.

http://www.leftinthewest.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1910

[Hutzpa]

39. REALLY

you people have completely lost your minds, you're not even hiding your
grimace in the fact that this will be all over the place, how disgusting
and dispicable of you....you people make me sick.

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[karynnj]

41. Given that I agree with you - why are you responding this way?

I will state it more simply - left wing snark - this, Maureen Dowd, and others hurt us and has since at least the 1990s. They need to think of how things will be used and realize that the entertainment value has to be weighed with the likely damage it does.

[Goblinmonger]

30. Yes

because we all know that low information voters are, unlike us, complete morons and will be 100% percent persuaded by shiny pictures. They are all too low-brow to have ever even heard of a magazine such as the New Yorker much less even begin to grasp the basic concept of satire.

I am amazed as the level of arrogance on DU sometimes.

[thewiseguy]

32. You are very naive.

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[Hutzpa]

38. Are you kidding me....

:eyes:

[Pirate Smile]

5. Here is how Faux already has it up, I guess. What do you know, it looks like they missed the

point - surprise, surprise.

Check this quote from Fox who seem wholly unaware that they are the target here:

what's most revealing about Remnick's remark is that satire is about what lies beneath. Is this image the New Yorker's vision of what's lurking just under the surface of Barack Obama? Or is it about the culture of The New Yorker itself, New York City liberal elitists and how they view the Obamas? Go to our website and let us know what you think.

[Neshanic]

6. Uh, no, you missed the point. Rodger Ailes is smiling.

By ACTING like they missed the big inside joke, the news cycle extends, and the propoganda can be shoveled.

[Pirate Smile]

10. Are they clueless or just ACTING clueless in order to further propagate their

smears? Either way, the result is the same.

edit to add - clueless would be better because, of course, they could be educated that way.

I know Roger Ailes and all the RW'ers are smiling. They'll love it. They don't even have to get their hands dirty because it was a liberal magazine that did it.

Plus the options are 1. This is what Obama and Michelle are really like under the surface OR 2. This is what liberal elitists think they are like. No option re a #3 This is the caricature of Obama propagated via smear campaign by RW'ers and the media.

[DeepModem Mom]

8. First time I've ever agreed with Fox. "Elitist" (and not in the good sense) is the word...

that came to my mind, too. The New Yorker has done much valuable, even courageous, reporting. But, on this, they do show their "elite" frame of mind. Assured that their highly-educated, upper crust readers will "get" the satire, they tossed this thing -- like a grenade, it seems to me -- into a campaign leading to what may well be a do-or-die election for our country. Shame on them!

[demokatgurrl]

36. OK, I'll ask you since I can't bear to speak to RWers

What exactly is the definition you are using for "elitist" in this sense? I am baffled. I have enought difficulty with the RW usage (because in the sense they use it, it is more aptly applied to themselves) but, I look and look at this picture, and try to find "elitism" in it, and I don't get it.
Racism, small-mindedness, paranoia, fear-mongering.... yep, I see all that.

[DeepModem Mom]

44. I see elitism (not the kind I admire, as in academic elite, etc.) differently.

The kind I don't admire I see as being out of touch with people not on one's "upper crust" level, in terms of education, wealth, and/or social class.

This is from a funny post from Neshanic last night that very cleverly evokes this attitude:

*

"'BITSY, YOU MUST SEE THIS NEW YORKER COVER. IT'S RIOTOUS, I TELL YOU!'

'Do you think those rubes in those other places will get its cheeky putdown of their nutty stereotypes and Fox News images of our guy?'

'Well Bitsums, it is rather sly, and a bold move to make us Northeasterners and certain parts of California laugh, but maybe it is a tad over the top, I must say.'

'Oh Brad, you know Californians don't read!'"

*

IMO, when the editors at The New Yorker approved that cover, they were so far out of touch with ordinary Americans that they assumed everyone would "get" their little joke, and were clueless about the consequences that might come from its publication.

[mikiturner]

9. Can you link nt?

[Pirate Smile]

11. It was posted in a Daily Kos diary without a link. I'll try to find it. Here is the Diary.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/14/01743/0064/23/551193

edit to add: I asked for the link in that thread.

[Pirate Smile]

12. Well, the person replied and said they just realized it was made up.

Sh#$! I wish I wouldn't have posted it now. Sorry. I don't see a way to permalink to the comment. It is in the Kos thread I linked to above.

edit to add: They mention it in the OP/Diary because they edited it to delete that part.

[The Backlash Cometh]

26. That's why satire only has limited effect on the right-wingers.

You would have to have a common perspective in order to see who the satire is targeted to work against. On the other hand, satire works for Jon Stewart because his facial cues leave no mistake. Also, in that kind of setting, you can use exaggeration to doubly get the point across.

[Goblinmonger]

31. Oh, look, the word "satire" IS in there

guess some people on here were wrong!

[AZBlue]

7. My head hurts already.

[cbc5g]

13. Fox tomorrow : "Some say the New Yorker cover accurately describes Obama"

In other news, McCain is almost in the lead in the polls.

[Neshanic]

15. That is exactly to the word what they will say.

[cbc5g]

16. Fox always uses that "some say" bullshit so they can smear without citing a source

[durablend]

17. People are already saying that

On other boards (not here): "Looks like the libs finally got one thing right!"

[OwnedByFerrets]

35. Actually it will probably say.....

McCain is ZOOMing up in the polls.

[JeffR]

14. And absent the New Yorker cover

they had a whole segment teed up to objectively examine Obama's economic policies in detail.

Maybe they'll come back to that once Magazine Gate dies down... if it ever does.:scared:

[KharmaTrain]

18. Oy...All The Vapors...

Wow...hold the presses...Faux is gonna make light of this? Distort it? Set it to their already racist code language? Well knock me over with a feather. If they didn't, I'd be surprised. And this will be reaching? The usual cast of idiots, racists and all the "ists" that wouldn't vote for Obama. I'm hoping they have an orgy...go overboard and overheat on this thing...show their true racists colors for those with a modicum of intelligence can see.

The bigger problem will be the concern trolls at Chicken Noodle News and M$NBC. We'll get what a black friend of mine calls "The Whire View of the News featuring the black man in a white man's world". We'll rehash the usual racial stereotypes and "history" and white people will tell us what black people think and black people will tell white people what white people would like to think...it's all a parlor game. It's one of many games...and it will be short-lived.

If a person determines their vote from a magazine cover, their mind was made up long before. If they're willing to allow the corporate media to play them, they deserved to get played. All those here who expect the doom and gloom obviously have little faith in either the candidate or the many, many important issues at stake in this election.

A one day story that will only go longer if the vapor trails are picked up...

[KoKo]

19. Well.....I guess it's always good to be optimistic...but what I saw on MSNBC & CNN this AM

makes me think it will be more than a one day case of the vapors. They were absolutely drooling over it on Mika and Joe's show. CNN wasn't much better. They were saying that the cover verified all the "rumors out there about Obama." Scarborough said the numbers of people believing Obama is a Muslim have increased in the latest polls. (I wonder why that is, Joe, Duh?) Those Swing voters and Repug Crossovers are going to be convinced of the "satire" of this because it's the "New Yorker," I guess. :eyes:

[KharmaTrain]

21. More White Noise...

Last night I talked to a bunch of friends...not a one had heard about the article...I mentioned it to one friend who just laughed at how it sounded like another hit job on the guy. I suspect many others will see it as this as well...the credibility of the "cables" have been falling for a while, it's almost as though if they pick on something that knock can turn into a boost...look how they tried to make the Jackson thing fly last week and it thuded.

I used to watch "the cables" 24/7...these days I'll pop on Chicken Noodle News for a few minutes while I'm check out other things. The "most experienced name in politics" or whatever bullshit they try to gloss themselves with makes them look both arrogant and even more out of touch. Sure, they'll get all worked up about it, but who are they reaching? Seems like each week they're trying to find something else to hang on Obama and with each attempt it becomes clearer how biased and out of touch they are (racist, as well).

I've done a good share of canvassing and have met my share of "moderate" repugnicans and "independents" (nothing more than disgruntled repugnicans) and right now they're more concerned with how much it costs to fill up at the pump, how much extra they're gonna have to pay for food, an endless war for profit...ya know, real world issues, not some silly fringe magazine article. If this is gonna "swing" a vote, they weren't a vote in the first place.

Cheers...

[KoKo]

22. Good points....I hope you are correct. I watch very little of it myself having lost the taste for

blood. So, hopefully folks are not looking for the latest smear when they are too worried about holding onto their house, their job and their sanity given how BushCo. has wrecked the economy. The networks and cables are losing ad revenue, and many of their anchors seem to be working six days a week now. Also they hire them younger without experience, it seems, so they don't have to pay them as much.

Maybe it will all blow over.

[KharmaTrain]

25. The Beltway Bubble

The corporate media will obsess with this thing...until the next big thing comes along. They've got hours of time to fill and this makes easy fodder. Going out and doing REAL news requires investment in people...especially journalists...doing bobblehead talk is a lot easier...get the usual gang of idiots in the studio and let 'em have at it. Talking about the economy or invasion of privacy or two losing wars aren't sexy...getting the vapors over a silly cartoon...now THAT's sexy.

The ratings are down, the revenues have tanked as well. Their saving grace is all the special interest money and then the campaigns and the 527s. Look closely at the commercials...that'll tell ya how bad things have become. The big thing is how the corporate media has tried to make this election a personality contest...and how they'll continue to do so.

Cheers...

:hi:

[BklynChick]

23. oh goody, cannot wait for that theatre!

[zbdent]

24. WHAT??? The Grand Dragon was offended because the cover was

too liberal and fawning over Obama, so he didn't attend?

[Mike Nelson]

27. They show image with glee!

This plays into their plan

[demokatgurrl]

28. How the fuck does Fox "news" know anything about it?

They wil explain how THEY want it to be taken.

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[Hutzpa]

40. Why the FUCK you feel the need that we

should know this information..... who gives a FUCK what Faux News thinks
or say, I don't, and this concern troll is what is taking us apart here
on DU and its a shame the MODs are not doing something about it.

Just sick of these mothafuckas passing as concerned DUers when their
sole motive is to prevent the presumptive nominee from winning this
election.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

42. Well...

I want to know what the Republican's are watching, seeing and believing. I do not ever want to live in a vacuum with only my opinions. No one here that I see on this thread is trying to ruin the chances of Senator Obama in this election.

Maybe it's just me but I think you have missed the point of the OP which is to expose the neocon agenda for what it is.

[Hutzpa]

43. You really don't get it .... do you??

Its not about living in a vacuum as you so explained it, this is about channeling
false information about our presumptive nominee and YES, I have seen how Faux News
can deliver their message and I am not interested to even view their crap, I just
cannot digest their BULLSHIT that they called News, if thats your way of understanding
how others live in America then goodluck..... the OP could have used another way of
exposing neocons agenda besides coming across as a sympathizer, at least thats how
I see it.