jenmito
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Mon Jul-14-08 01:10 PM
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"Any week the focus is on national security and Iraq is probably a good week for McCain." |
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Chris Cillizza just said that (as do many media people every day). But WHY? I'll tell you why-because he's portrayed as a "straight-talking war hero" and they NEVER point out that he:
1. Confused Shia and Sunni about 3 times
2. Voted against Veterans' rights many times
3. Jokes about bombing Iran and killing Iranians with cigarettes
4. Lied to a Veteran's face during a town hall meeting about his voting record
5. Told two different versions of what he told his captors in Vietnam depending on whom he was talking to
6. Flip-flopped on torture
7. Flip-flopped on how long troops should stay in Iraq
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Mon Jul-14-08 01:15 PM
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1. He obviously still clings to the belief... |
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that this war is popular. It hasn't been popular since it was revealed to be based on a pack of lies, and nothing will reverse that.
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Mon Jul-14-08 01:23 PM
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2. Yes, but my point is that the media TELLS people that McCain is "strong" on terrorism and Iraq |
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and they go on to laud his service (and torture) and ignore or hide all of his mistakes and lies about his supposed strong suit.
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Mon Jul-14-08 03:05 PM
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12. That is completely right |
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Consider that Scheiffer (journalist, Texas) asked Kerry about whether it was just his opinion that changed or McCain (not worded like that - but that was what it was.) Kerry then went into a list of huge changes McCain made in the last about 5 years. Scheiffer in a shocked voice then asked if he was questioning McCain's integrity. (Kerry's 3 word retort was great - "no, his judgment" doesn't give them a usable quote to Youtube - expanding it gets either of two lists that McCain didn't want out there.
(It still led to snarky articles - but anything would have other than Kerry answering that McCain has always been consistent - which implies that Kerry was just political not backing McCain.)
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Mon Jul-14-08 03:40 PM
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Schieffer sounded as shocked with Kerry's answer as he was about Wes Clark's answer a couple weeks ago. I WISH someone would point out McCain's LIES and voting record against the troops! But it seems taboo.
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Mon Jul-14-08 03:53 PM
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15. If anyone will - it will likely be Kerry or Clark |
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Edited on Mon Jul-14-08 03:54 PM by karynnj
It might be easier for Kerry because he is a Senator. (McCain also co-sponsored lots of veteran stuff with Kerry years ago - now McCain votes against it. That might be part of why Kerry said that the new McCain surprises him. I think the lesson here is that they have to do it - but do it very carefully and it is risky (more for Kerry who is running for Senate). The media will try to whip it into a feeding frenzy if they have any way to spin it.
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Mon Jul-14-08 01:47 PM
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3. But he will settle for nothing less than VICTORY!!!! |
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Mon Jul-14-08 01:53 PM
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4. Yeah...and the media goes right along with that. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 01:55 PM
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5. I'm not convinced that Chris Cillizza and Ryan Lizza from the NYer are different people |
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Ryan Lizza used to wear glasses on his tv appearences, and I would always be reminded of Chris Cillizza from the Washington Post, even though the only ways they really look alike are the dark hair and glasses.
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jenmito
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Mon Jul-14-08 02:12 PM
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7. I had that same thought... |
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The similarities in their last names help, too. :)
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Mon Jul-14-08 02:14 PM
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9. when I (sadly) noticed that Ryan Lizza stopped wearing glasses, I immediately thought |
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Edited on Mon Jul-14-08 02:15 PM by ErinBerin84
"Oh, he's trying to separate himself from Chris Cillizza!" Though, I HAVE never seen them on opposite "squares" on MSNBC. Hmmmm..... :)
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jenmito
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Mon Jul-14-08 02:51 PM
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11. I'll keep an eye on every show to see if they EVER appear together. |
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It's possible you're right. :)
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Mon Jul-14-08 02:00 PM
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6. I hate that assumption too -- because it is so false |
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Edited on Mon Jul-14-08 02:01 PM by Overseas
But it is easier for the lazy pundits than listening to Obama and having to report on all the sensible things he is saying about national security.
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Mon Jul-14-08 02:14 PM
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Mon Jul-14-08 02:15 PM
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10. I think they say that to try to avoid talking security |
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Cause god knows every time they do he shows his ass on the one point he is supposed to be strong on.
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Mon Jul-14-08 03:41 PM
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14. He can't be trusted on national security |
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Today, he referred to Czechoslovakia while talking about Russia. The problem is that Czechoslovakia hasn't existed for 15 years. If he did it once, I could understand but this is a pattern from McCain. His supposed foreign policy and national security experience is all just a myth. http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/mccain_again_refers_to_czechos.php
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jenmito
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:29 PM
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16. Maybe he keeps making the mistake because nobody ever calls him on it- |
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you never hear it in the MEDIA. But even I know there's no "Czechoslovakia" anymore!
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:33 PM
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17. There was a story this weekend from Pakistan that said that the Bush administration is not pursuing |
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Osama bin Laden.
But, that story didn't get any air time.
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Major Hogwash
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:36 PM
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18. One other thing, jen. How come McCain hasn't named his veep yet? What is taking him so long? |
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If McCain is so damned smart, then why hasn't he named his veep yet?
Carly Fiorino was on Meet the Press yesterday and she tanked, so I think she has shot any chance she ever had of being McCain's veep.
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Mon Jul-14-08 07:05 PM
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19. I heard on the news that he's waiting 'til right after the DNC's convention to step on any |
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Edited on Mon Jul-14-08 07:06 PM by jenmito
bounce Obama will get.
ETA-Fiorina is a liar. If she IS his VP, he'll lose whatever base he has left as she's supposedly pro-choice.
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