7/15 Quinnipiac poll: Democrats would like Clinton as VP, 56% to 33%

[highplainsdem]

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1192

71% of Republicans, unsurprisingly, do NOT want Hillary Clinton as VP, but Obama won't be getting those votes anyway.

50% of Independents polled would not want her to be Obama's VP, but since Obama is splitting the Independent vote with McCain, it's a safe bet those are mostly the Independents leaning toward McCain.

So, Clinton is apparently the Democratic Party's choice for VP. As other polls have also showed.

I hope Obama is paying attention.

[NattPang]

1. I hope Barack makes his own decision

who to pick as Veep,
and does not let these
shaky and questionnable polls
influence him.

[ClarkBayh 2008]

48. Skipping over BAYH means this party just doesn't want to win....

It's that simple...
The Dems would rather make statements than put up tickets that can win.
Hillary is simply the wrong choice & no other woman will be tolerated by her delegates.

Sure, Edwards was the choice for VP last time of the Dems.
And look how that turned out.
Biden is another NE liberal - that's no change.
Kaine has no national profile and hasn't even finished a full term as gov.

CHANGE MEANS WINNING !! That's all that matters at this point.

Bayh is the only logical person left who is qualified, vetted, can turn red states, and help win.

Obama Bayh 2008

[sandyd921]

97. And Bayh brings exactly what?

Oh, that's right. He brings the DLC vote. Yep, that's the ticket! Centrist, pro-corporate stances have worked so well for Democrats. :sarcasm:

[Blondiegrrl]

105. Well THIS Democrat doesn't want her on the ticket.

Although I'd still (reluctantly) vote for Obama if she were. Obama would definitely lose my Independent husband's vote, though.

[Zhade]

64. Especially when the poll says VOTERS OVERALL REJECT IT 49-36 PERCENT.

The OP is a straight-out bald-faced lie. Wonder if the poster was in Tuzla with clinton, ducking nonexistent sniper fire?

[highplainsdem]

77. The OP states clearly that Democrats want Clinton on the ticket, and Republicans don't.

What your misleading post leaves out is that the "voters overall" number is due to Republicans not wanting her on the ticket. Of course they don't -- they know damn well that a unity ticket is the Democratic Party's best chance of taking back the White House. Half of Independents don't want her on the ticket, either, but with Obama getting only about half of Independents in that poll, it's a safe bet that they're the Independents most likely to vote for McCain anyway.

My OP is completely honest about the figures in that poll -- I reported how the different segments reacted to the question -- and you owe me an apology. You obviously can't handle the fact that Clinton-haters are a minority in the Democratic Party. Stop fighting the primaries. We need party unity to ensure victory in November.

[Zhade]

102. No, your OP is dishonest. You deliberately left out the facts to spin your case.

I don't owe dishonesty any kind of apology.

[elocs]

2. Why would Obama what Big Ego Bill skulking around anywhere near the White House

trying to get attention while overshadowing and second guessing the president. Then when Bill opens his closet, all the skeletons fall out. He is the biggest baggage any viable and potential VP choice could have.

[Zhade]

8. When you consider that the clintons have actually stated they're a "team"...

...your point makes sense.

Plus, why would Obama hand mcLame ammo in the form of the Tuzla video (which he could use to easily prove clinton a liar) or her endorsement of him over Obama (which is already appearing in mcLame campaign ads)?

Strategically, it makes zero sense.

[MonkeyFunk]

43. jesus - let go of the hate!

[JoFerret]

44. Deadendering, it seems

is a lifetime sport.

[elocs]

59. Evidently there are some people who can find "hate" anywhere and everywhere.

Sorry to disappoint you, it was just an expression of personal opinion and not hate. I hope you can one day learn to distinguish the difference.

[Zhade]

60. There are sore losers who still can't stomach that Obama won fair and square.

They insist on seeing any criticism as "hate" - ironically, employing the very thing they decry.

Fuck the haters, indeed.

[MonkeyFunk]

62. Wrong

it is hate. To refer to a great Democratic president that way, which a year ago would've been a bannable offense, just because his wife ran against your chosen candidate, is hate.

The content of your post was exactly something I could've expected to see on FreeRepublic. It's pure right-wing hateful filth.

[elocs]

79. You can say whatever you like, but I do not hate Bill Clinton.

I'm sorry that you are only left with the choices that you either love someone or you hate them. I voted for Bill Clinton twice (I don't believe he was a "great" Democratic president just because that is your opinion) and if he were running against McCain (I would also vote for Hillary if she were running against McCain), then I would vote for him again. Since that is not the case and never will be, I do not want to see Senator Clinton as Obama's VP choice and for me, her husband is a big reason for that.

Apparently you worship at the Clinton altar. Not everyone who does not bow to that is a Clinton hater, either Bill or Hillary, and that does not make them a Republican. Unfortunately you are unable to grasp that.

X

[JoFerret]

88. Whatever you call it

- and however you weasel the words - it sure ain't respect.

[elocs]

96. You know, it is possible to not respect someone and still not hate them.

I have seen a lot of hate and vitriol here at DU for all different kinds of people, but I choose not to get wrapped up with that mindset. I've noticed here at DU there are those who like to obsess about those they hate and in particular when any conservative dies and how much coverage or attention their death gets. Hate is a choice and is self consuming and I don't bother with it.

I didn't realize the concept of being able to not like somebody without hating them was so difficult for some, but evidently it is. In the black and white world of you either love the Clintons or hate them there are still many worshipers who cannot comprehend that there is a lot of room in between those two extremes (the "either you are for us or you are against us" attitude--now where have I heard that?).

Isn't a ferret a member of the weasel family? I'm sorry I won't be able to read your answer to that particular question, but for me life is too short to deal with labelmakers.

[JoFerret]

101. I quite realise that. That's why

I chose my words.

I also think that Bill Clinton deserves respect from you.

[Zhade]

103. Indeed. I don't hate the clintons; I hate their actions (when negative).

Good post.

[Zhade]

65. See? They're still at it, in a thread based on a bald-faced lie.

They just can't see past their own hatred of the truth.

[krispos42]

68. The "hate" here is actually not the real hate

Republican-types hate the Clintons. Bill did the beat down on Pappy Bush (which is fucking with the Royal Bush Family) and perennial candidate Bob Dole. So the Clinton's have been demonized relentlessly by the right-wing.

Of course this is undeserved and over-the-top. But it's real, and it's there.

Hillary brings out the hate in them and that makes her a liability in some instances. It's an unfair, irrational, and fundamentally stupid hate.

But it's there, and has to be dealt with. Re-education of the Republican-types is effectively impossible, which only seems to leave avoidence.

I know, it sucks. :-(

[grantcart]

3. It would be fool hardy to make a VP pick on how it effects the national poll

Obama is outperforming many areas - like traditional Democratic states CA/NY and the west and the rocky mountain west.


Senator Obama is underperforming in Ohio/In/Pa. Look for Obama to select a candidate that will have a positive impact on those numbers as well as helping improve VA and NC

Senator Clinton helps in those states but the candidate that would have the most impact on those 5 states is Governor Kaine

If he can add 6 points to those states it turns it from a likely win to a landslide.

[MrsT]

5. "Underperforming" in OH, IN and PA? Underperforming who?

McCain? Nope.
Kerry in 04? Nope.
Bush in 04? Nope.

[grantcart]

23. Underperforming against him self

The point is that he doesn't need help in deep Democratic states like CA/NY or in many other red states like Iowa or Montana where he is way outperforming past Democratic candidates.


In these three states his numbers are still weak. In most states he is way ahead of Kerry but Kerry took PA by 5% and RAS has him ahead by 4%.

Ohio has conficting results with some polls showing McCain ahead - polls showing him ahead do so by only 2%

In Indiana Obama is polling much better than Kerry but it is basically tied.


The VP choice will be somebody that can add 5-6 points to Obama in VA/PA/OH/IN - he doesn't need the help anywhere else.

Obama wins any two of those states he wins the election - without Florida.

[MrsT]

57. "Kerry but Kerry took PA by 5%"

No he didn't. http://presidentelect.org/e2004.html

"Ohio has conficting results with some polls showing McCain ahead - polls showing him ahead do so by only 2%"
Wrong again. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/oh/ohio_mccain_vs_obama-400.html

[grantcart]

24. phrgndumass is adding this to his thread tomorrow

It shows better than I can explain my point.

The Obama VP pick will be somebody that can move OH/IN/VA/PA from the 'lean Obama' to 'weak Obama'

[SoCalDem]

100. Obama only needs one of those three anyway..

:P

[Colobo]

4. He needs to pick whoever he wants.

[Tarheel_Dem]

6. All I can say is that I wasn't polled. Obama will have to make a

decision that helps him strategically, and I don't see a Senator from New York, helping the ticket. And besides, what happens to Obama's numbers with moderate Repubs and Indies, with Clinton in the mix?

[wmbrew0206]

7. Well I hear that a poll of the Obama's oppose Clinton 2 to 0 and that is the only poll that counts

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

9. Peddle this flamebait elsewhere. Nobody here cares what Democrats think.

[Gman]

27. LOL!

[Beacool]

47. Good one!!!!

:rofl:

[highplainsdem]

76. It does seem that way sometimes.

[JoFerret]

10. Well - she is the obvious choice after all.

Way to totally sweep the country.
But she may not want it.
(Although it might be hard for her to turn down)

[Labors of Hercules]

11. uuuuurrrggghhttt. scuse me...

:puke:

[ruggerson]

12. It's Hagel or nothing dammit

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

13. Flamebait? You started two threads pushing Hillary as the VP...

Please show some respect for the Democratic nominee and allow him to make his own decisions.

[highplainsdem]

15. This is no more "flamebait" than any of the dozens or hundreds of other topics about VP choices.

How many of the others did you accuse of being flamebait?

We've had thousands of messages posted here about possible VP choices, and this is a perfectly valid topic, especially given the Quinnipiac poll results. As for my other topic -- what Rasmussen's poll demonstrated about Clinton's strength is also an argument for her inclusion on the ticket.

I want the Dems to win in November. I believe a unity ticket is our best bet. There are polls to back that up.

And I am NOT going to stop posting about this simply because some Clinton haters here think it's fine to discuss any other potential VP choice, but not her.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

17. Just please respect the nominee and stop trying to push Hillary Clinton on him!

There are many reasons why she shouldn't be considered as the VP and some good reasons why she could. But it's a decision that should be left to the Democratic nominee. Hillary Clinton is not owed a name thing and it's not up to you or the Clintons about who should be his VP. I don't care how many polls you cite to the contrary.

[highplainsdem]

19. My topic is no more "pushing a VP choice on him" than any of the other topics advocating one person

or another for VP.

Have you objected to any of those other topics?

If your objection here is really to my "pushing a choice" on Obama, rather than to somone pointing out why Clinton would be the best choice, then please point out other topics about VP choices where you weighed in to call the topic flamebait and say no one should advocate any particular VP choice.

[JoFerret]

22. Stop already

Whining dismal deadenders need to stop stirring dissent. PUAAC.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

30. *I'm* stirring dissent? I didn't start this and other threads rehashing old primary wounds...

*That's* 'stirring dissent'!!

[highplainsdem]

75. I'm discussing the GE and unifying the Democratic Party so we can win..

You're the one re-opening old wounds with your "anyone but Clinton" bias.

Or were there any other topics where you posted to condemn people for suggesting VP choices, telling them those topics were flamebait? You don't seem to be able to mention posting such opinions before, so it's all too clear that you simply don't want anyone to be allowed to point out that most Democratis want Clinton as VP.

Your attitude is tremendously destructive of party unity.

[Gman]

28. By DU definition: a VP thread is "flamebait" if it advocates for Hillary for VP

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

33. No, it's "flamebait" because it tears the scabs off primary wounds. These threads are started

by Hillary enablers who can't get over the fact that she lost the primary FAIR AND SQUARE. They want to force Obama to choose Hillary as his VP when it is *his* decision and his ALONE!! And yet they continue to push the meme, then play the victim when we call them out on it.

[Gman]

38. No, it is OUR decision too. Not just Obama's

where in hell did you get the notion that it's Obama's decision and nobody else's business? 18 million Democrats that voted for Hillary have a real big say in who should be the VP. What the hell's wrong with you?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

42. It is Obama's decision. Since when do *we* get to decide anything. That's the way it's been done

since the party system began. What the hell is wrong with you? Don't you know your history???

Even Hillary's campaign stated that it is HIS decision!!

<snip>

WASHINGTON — Hillary Clinton said Thursday that she's not actively seeking to be running mate to presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama and suggested that people who are pushing her for vice president are acting on their own.

Two days after several top Clinton loyalists flooded the airwaves and the Internet pushing a so-called Obama-Clinton "Dream Team," Clinton's campaign issued a statement that said "she is not seeking the vice presidency, and no one speaks for her but her."

"The choice is Senator Obama's and his alone," Clinton campaign communications director Howard Wolfson said in the statement.

Obama, speaking to reporters aboard his campaign plane, said he appreciated the statement.

"Senator Clinton's been through this when President Clinton went through a very deliberative process before he selected Al Gore," he said. "We are going to be equally deliberative in how we move forward, and we're not going to do it in the press and we're not going to do it through surrogates."

</snip>

http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/en/story-details/4788/

I like Hillary and I like Bill. But Hillary lost the primaries, so let's move on and support our nominee and allow him to make his decision as to who he wants as his running mate.

[Gman]

45. Such a traditionalist's perspective. There were 18 million of us that voted for Hillary

and we will be heard. And Obama had best listen if he wants to win.

[krispos42]

69. Yeah, 18 million liberals voted for HIllary

And 19 million liberals voted for Obama.


And since Obama is the liberal nominee, that means there should be guaranteed 37 million liberal votes for him in November.

[Beacool]

51. Thank you!!

They forget that in other times the VP was decided at the convention. It has become traditional to let the nominee choose his VP, but there hasn't been a primary this long and with two historical candidates ever. Therefore, people in the party want to see them run together.

[Zhade]

61. Actually, you have zero say. None. At all.

And I, likewise, have zero say.

It truly is the winner's call - Obama understands that 99% of clinton voters aren't petulant whiners who will refuse to vote for him based on their inability to accept that he won fair and square.

[Name removed]

78. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[jakem]

90. oh crap, now the mighty 18 million have spoken...

:eyes:

[noiretextatique]

94. question: how can an internet poster "force" obama to pick a VP?

:eyes:

[Beacool]

49. I guess it's "lack of respect" to point out what the polls have been saying for a long time.

Democrats want both our top candidates on the ticket. They have said this for quite a while now, but hey, why listen to fellow Democrats?

:eyes:

[JackORoses]

85. i am damn happy that your wish will never be granted.

keep up the foolish blathering by all means!

[JoFerret]

95. Must be odd to be able to foretell the future

with such certainty.

Have you ever been wrong at all?

[JoFerret]

18. Please show some respect for opinions other

than your own.

What's the problem? Are you a hopeless deadenderer?

[NYC_SKP]

36. Deadender? Was there a meeting where you all agreed to use that word?

I don't understand how it applies to folks who want to support the candidate and who challenge the Clinton crowd to join us...

please explain.

[JoFerret]

39. Yes. There was. But it was kept very hush hush at first.

You were included on the list after a short nomination and voting process.
Names were first sent to the Obama campaign for vetting and that took a while. As you can imagine they have a few other things on their mind.

[NYC_SKP]

40. That explains the why my bottom's so sore!

I've never been thoroughly vetted before!

OMG, my subject line and message rhyme...

:rofl: :hi:

[JoFerret]

41. Your strengths as a poet and as a prose writer

were both considered. Opinions varied. But in general I can say this: the consensus was favorable.

So when inclined to deadend
....................forfend.
Cheers matey!

[NYC_SKP]

50. Thankee! I read this proverb yesterday, I'd never seen it before...

Probably everyone else has....I'm trying to learn from it and stay a little more lighthearted:

TWO WOLVES

A Native American grandfather was talking to his grandson about how he felt about a tragedy.

He said, "I feel as if I have two wolves fighting in my heart.

One wolf is the vengeful, angry, violent one.

The other wolf is the loving, compassionate one."


His grandson asked him, "Which wolf will win the fight in your heart, Grandfather?"


The grandfather answered,

"The one I feed."

:hi:

[JoFerret]

87. An excellent fable

And I had not heard it.

[NYC_SKP]

111. Sweet, glad I could share something with you.

And I'm glad that I wasn't alone in never having heard it.

It's a good one.

I need to use it on myself from time to time!

[MasonJar]

14. An article above indicates that Obama is not polling so strong against McCain. I'd

hate to see McCain win. Obama should choose Hillary so he can win in crucial states. Also Obama is not very experienced. (Of course McCain is dottering, but many people do not seem to realize that fact.) Maybe Bill might come in handy sometimes. These are difficult times. And Hillary Clinton is one sharp and intelligent and cool-headed woman.

[Nipper1959]

16. WTF

Nobody asked me!

[lojasmo]

20. Good christ, no.

Multiple polls have shown that Clinton pushes indies away from a democratic ticket.

[Irreverend IX]

21. Choosing Clinton as VP...

Is one of the few things that could cause Obama to lose the election. She won't help in the swing states or the red states, and will motivate otherwise despondent Repugs to vote.

[bowens43]

25. I have to go with the republicans here.......

I hope Obama is smart enough not to be swayed by these so called polls. Hillary on the ticket would be a disaster.

[highplainsdem]

74. I'm sure the Republicans will thank you in November, if Obama can't unify the Democratic Party

because the loudest Clinton-haters among his supporters wouldn't want him to choose the VP most Democrats favor.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

26. NOOOO!!!!

:puke: :puke: :puke:

Which Democrats are they talking to?

[Beacool]

54. Did it ever occur to you that some may feel that way about Obama,

but suck it in because he's the nominee? Therefore, suck it in too when it comes to Hillary!!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

72. I don't have to.

She's not the nominee and won't be the VP either. With any luck at all she'll continue to be the junior senator from New York.

[Raineyb]

82. Maybe it's those PUMA fools

They seem unable to accept that their candidate lost.

I don't see Edwards supporters or Kucinich supporters behaving this way.

This is beyond ridiculous.

Regards

[Gman]

29. Well, there you go. DU is a vacuum. But mainstream Democrats want Hillary

no surprise. 18 million Democrats can't be all wrong.

[thewiseguy]

53. 56-33

33% of the democrats dont want her on the ticket.

[Gman]

56. The 33 seem to congregate here at DU

1/3. That's all. Not much if any of Democrats don't want Hillary as VP.

[thewiseguy]

81. Thanks for your earth shattering analysis!

:shrug:

[Gman]

83. You wise guy, you...!

:)

[high density]

89. Do "mainstream" Democrats even know any of the alternatives we could have to Hillary?

Another name recognition game. Obama will choose who he thinks is the best. And if he's still focused on change, I don't think it's going to be Clinton and her "roll it back to the great '90s" sort of thinking.

[book_worm]

31. If the Clinton's are willing to undergo the same scrutiny re: their finances as the other candidates

then fine. And if Bill will make public the list of people who have donated to his library/foundation.

[AllentownJake]

32. Whatever Obama decides

I'm not opposed or pro. If after evaluation his advisors and him decide this is the best way to go than they should go that way.

[AtomicKitten]

34. no thanks

He'd lose 2-3 x nonDemocrats for every PUMA. Not worth it.

I'm not a big fan of attempted arm-twisting.

[quantass]

35. No Chance -- lot of hints say he's looking elsewhere. And Hillary knows it.

Thank god!

[quantass]

37. Well, of course the Polls will show this -- she's the most recognizable

If i didnt know much of the other vp potentials i for one would have said Clinton too...but after watching her trainwreck and hearing more about the quality alternatives she has no chance (at least if i was running for prez).

[Beacool]

46. Why bother?

They'll spin it to death and still not admit that there are millions of people who want to see her on the ticket.

:eyes:

[Hamlette]

52. You should report the poll result accurately, or not at all

Democrats say 56 - 33 percent that Obama should pick New York Sen. Hillary Clinton as his running mate. But independent voters reject the idea 50 - 35 percent and voters overall reject it 49 - 36 percent.

[thewiseguy]

55. Voters overall reject Hillary 49-36. Thats worth mentioning again.

[Zhade]

63. "voters overall reject it 49 - 36 percent" - I'm shocked that a clinton supporter would lie!

Well, actually, I kind of am - I thought the deadenders grew the fuck up and moved on already.

[davidpdx]

70. Why would they do that?

I mean there's nothing like putting a little Clinton spin on it and make it look like EVERYONE wants Hillary to be VP.

Frankly I'm sick of it. The primaries over and people need to stop this crap. Especially when it is posting outright lies.

[highplainsdem]

73. I did report it accurately. What's important is that Dems want her on the ticket.

The party isn't unified yet, and Obama needs to unify it. The best way to do that is to put her on the ticket.

My OP mentioned that most Republicans and about half of Independents dont't want her on the ticket. Those aren't votes Obama is likely to get anyway, since those would be the Independents leaning toward McCain. Of course the Republicans and conservative Independents don't want the Democratic Party's two strongest candidates on the ticket together. The last thing they want is Democratic Party unity.

And often it seems as though Democratic unity is the last thing some Obama supporters here want, too.

The Clinton haters are a distinct minority in the Democratic Party overall, but they seem to be a majority here at DU, having bullied anyone who disagreed with them and done everything they could to drive out Clinton supporters during the primaries.

The primaries are over now, though, and we need to win the general election. That victory is much less likely if it appears that Obama has dissed Clinton and her supporters just to please the hardcore Clinton haters who supported him.

She has approximately as much support in the party as he does. Get over it. And stop trying to get in the way of a Democratic victory in November with your anti-Clinton hysteria, all the wailing and gnashing of teeth among some DUers whenever Clinton is mentioned favorably here, even to point out her support in the party.

We need unity. The anti-Clinton posts here are NOT helpful. If you want a Clinton-bashing site, go set one up. Or go play at Free Republic, where attempts to sow hatred of the Clintons and their supporters aren't damaging to Democratic unity.

[Hamlette]

84. down boy

it mattered what democrats wanted during the primary.

what matters now is what most Americans want.

I didn't bash Clinton. Telling me to go "play" at Free Republic is unwarranted.

If party unity is what you want, your post is misleading. What it appears, from your post, is that you want Hilary as VP.

We have all but nominated Obama. The people who are sowing the seeds of disunity are those who are still pushing for Hilary. IMHO.

If you want to make a reasoned argument as to why she should be on the ticket, go for it.

No spinning of polls to "make your point."

[Leftist Agitator]

98. "The party isn't unified yet, and Obama needs to unify it."

You can say that as many times as you want, and it still won't be true.

You're obviously extrapolating your personal emotions to the Democratic party at large.

I see no other logical explanation for making such a preposterous claim as "The party isn't unified yet..."

Pray tell, how can you demonstrate that "The party isn't unified yet"? Because a few petulant and numerically-insignificant Clinton supporters are threatening to vote McCain?

"Get over it."

Get over it, indeed.

:eyes:

[Zhade]

104. "we need to win the general election" - the poll you posted shows a majority of OVERALL VOTERS...

...do not want to vote for her.

Your OP is dishonest.

[Leftist Agitator]

112. I am going to post hourly until I get a response to my previous reply.

This disingenuous bullshit has to stop. I'm holding you accountable for your misleading propaganda, highplainsdem.

Specifically, I would like you to elaborate on your rationale in claiming that, "The party isn't unified yet..."

I'll be waiting...

[adoraz]

58. uh, this isn't surprising at all.....

considering 50% of the party supported Hillary in the primary.


Hillary won't be VP, period.

[krispos42]

66. My problem with Clinton as Veep...

Is that the general attitude of Republican voters seems to be one of apathy and dispair. The last thing we want to give them is a reason to go to the polls and vote McCain, and that reason might well be the largely-irrational and undeserved hatred of the Clintons.

The gun-control issue has been resolved, defusing the gun-control issue if Dems are smart enough to keep their mouths shut. Gays are marrying left and right in Massachusettes, California, Vermont, and New Jersey, and the Jesus hasn't rained lava and locuts down upon the sinners. The occupation of Iraq is dragging with little results to show for it. We're losing in Afghanistan. Gas is flriting with $4.50 a gallon, and electricity, natural gas, and home heating oil is following suit. Banks are failing, homes are being foreclosed left, right, and center, credit-card debt is rising.

Even if the Republican stalwarts can't get themselves to vote for Obama, they're not inclined to vote for McSame, either...

Unless the nomination of Hillary as veep give them something to focus on.





In theory, nearly all Hillary supports should be voting for Obama, seeing as how Hillary supporters are progressive and anti-Bush and all that. Therefore, any advantage of nominating Hillary over, say, Edwards, should be minimal. However, if nominating Hillary motivates two or three conservative stalwarts against Dems for every PUMA-type liberal that decides to vote Dem, it's a net loss.

[jakem]

92. well said.

[Imagevision]

67. Hillary is a no-no - and the reason is the loose cannon president Bill Clinton

I applauded Bill when he talked his way out of the lying BJ. bit but when I read that when asked why he carried on an affair in the WH.? Bill replied, "I guess, because I knew I could." His ego got too bent out of shape.

[Hope And Change]

71. Some people have to realize that the primary is over.I will respect Obama whoever he picks as...

his VP.I trust his judgement on this one.

[Teaser]

80. O has already solidified the Democrat vote though

so Clinton has no added value.

[Blondiegrrl]

106. Thank you for pointing that out. Some people would rather ignore that fact, unfortunately. n/t

[Vinca]

86. I actually think they look pretty good together.

But where do you put Bill?

[CakeGrrl]

91. Looks won't help Obama govern. He needs a VP with whom he can work.

No one out here speculating can know whether he and Hillary have enough synchronicity to complement each other. My gut feeling, however, is that they do not. I don't think he'd have good energy with someone who thinks they'd be the better person for HIS job...

...and publicly stated that the Republican opponent has crossed the "CiC" threshold that she felt that Obama did not.

[shayes51]

93. Count me in with the majority.

[Zhade]

107. You mean the real majority, that does not want clinton on the ticket?

I ask because the OP is deliberately misleading by leaving out the fact that a majority of GE voters do not want to vote for her.

[rucky]

99. Any Veeps that could swing independents? n/t

[Cha]

108. Quit trying to push Hillary on Obama

..he'll chose whom he wants for the job. Not because of some poll that you found.

[Zhade]

109. I think it's okay for them to argue in her favor, but not by lying about the polls.

NT!

[gateley]

110. Is there a problem with Bill allowing not releasing the info needed for vetting?

I've heard that, and don't know if it's true or not. Thanks.

[NobleCynic]

113. You might lose Nevada with Clinton on the ticket

She is mighty unpopular here. I can think of nothing that would drive up Republican and Independent turnout for McCain more in Nevada, and frankly most of the West. You cannot underestimate the Clinton hate that exists here. You see, we don't have many African-Americans in Nevada. You can't hate what you don't see. But there are plenty of women that still need to be kept down. Especially strong threatening ones. No it's not fair.

The Nevada Republicans have had their morale absolutely crushed by their mangled convention. Ron Paul was set to take the state convention because Romney was out of the race, then the McCain supporters walked out of the convention so that quorum couldn't be met. It absolutely wrecked their morale. Clinton on the ticket is about all that actually get them to rally at this point.