I remain more offended that a private conversation was made public than I am about what Jesse said

[wndycty]

Folks can argue about whether Jesse should have talked about cutting off Barack's nuts, his allegedly jealousy of Barack or now is use of the "N-word," but what offends me the most is the fact that any of this is newsworthy given that it was a private conversation. Jesse should have known better than to whisper a private thought under his breath to the guy sitting next to him while sitting in a FOX NEWS studio with a hot mic, but what about the FUCKING IDIOTS who took this gotcha moment and are using it to destroy Jackson?

As I have said before, this is FOX NEWS we are talking about, we know who their hosts are (Hannity, O'Reilly, et al) we know who their frequent contributors/guests are (Dick Morris, Newt Gingrich, Karl Rover, et al) and we are supposed to believe that Jesse Jackson is the only one, THE ONLY ONE who has said something negative and possibly racist about Obama that was "caught" on a hot mic at FOX NEWS? Folks get a grip!

It is discouraging that some DUers are jumping all over Jesse for this and not seeing the bigger offense of FOX NEWS's eavesdropping.

Is Jesse Jackson the only who has said something offensive in private that was not meant for public consumption? Jesse should have known better, but the media, including FOX NEWS, needs to be held to a higher standard especially when it comes to private conversations.

[lojasmo]

1. He was wearing a microphone, and on camera.

No sensible person has an expectation of privacy in such a situation. Further illustration of why democrats should stay the fuck OFF of Fox.

[wndycty]

3. As long as you can swing at Jesse for not knowing better you can ignore the bigger offense

:kick:

How the fuck anyone can defend FOX NEWS tactics is just appalling.

[lojasmo]

12. Where did I "defend Fox"? N/T

[wndycty]

15. Here is a question. . .shouldn't we be demanding that FOX makes everyone's hot mic tapes public?

Since you feel Jesse Jackson cannot expect his private conversation in front of hot pic to remain private should Hannity, O''Reilly, Dick Morris, Newt Gingrich and Karl Rove be extended the same scrutiny? If hot mic conversations are not private then put EVERYONE's hot mic conversations out there, I bet you at the end of the day Jesse won't look all that bad.

[lojasmo]

32. Do it.

See how they respond. Hell...file a FOI request.

[grantcart]

6. I agree 100%

If you go on Fox you should have a pretty overwhelming reason to do so.


You should expect everything you do there to be thoroughly analyzed and criticized afterwards, including how you parked the car in the parking lot.

[wndycty]

11. Do you also think that just because FOX released the comments that the other media outlets. . .

. . .have an obligation to report them?

[lojasmo]

13. They are NEWS outlets, right? N/T

Jesse's stupid-ass comments are newsworthy.

[wndycty]

17. And why should FOX only release Jesse comments. . .do you really believe he is the only one. . .

. . .who has made offensive comments in front of a hot mic at FOX NEWS?

[Robeson]

26. Because FUX News is not a legitimate news outlet. They are not "fair and balanced"...

...they do not exist to treat all equally. They will denigrate Jessee Jackson or any other Democrat anytime, anywhere they can. That is what they do. They exist to push a right-wing agenda. They have no interest in presenting both sides of any issue in an equal light. What you ask for is not going to happen. To demand fair treatment from FUX, is a waste of time.

[grantcart]

27. The fault is 100% with Jesse Jackson and his big mouth

If you want to play at that level you better be very careful of what you say and what you do.


Beyond the stupidity of appearing on Fox and talking into a hot mic is the stupidity of Jackson in fathering a child out of wedlock and then criticizing Obama when he is criticiizing men for having children out of wedlock. Jackson should have kept his zipper and mouth shut.


And yes when somebody makes an ass out of themselves on the national level I expect them to report it - whether they are Democrats or Republicans. If they withhold this crap then they can justify withholding crap on Cheney and Bush.


If Jesse cannot exert more self control he should find another gig.



Oh and on edit: If you google you can find the actual full statements of Jesse Jackson and if true using the "N" word is not the worst thing he said -- both Fox and the other MSM did in fact hold back the really really bad shit.


As the father of "mixed breed children" I say fuck you Jesse Jackson.

[Rockholm]

2. It is (or should be) all abouth the EAVESDROPPING.

Jackson should not have been so stupid as to know that. It was probably some sort of set-up.

[geiger]

4. goes with the territory; he should know that better than anyone.

it may have been one of those Freudian slips. It's obvious he believed what he was saying. He would be better off to explain it and be honest about it. An apology for being "caught" is menaingless anyway.

[screembloodymurder]

5. If you want your message out, do not go on FOX.

It's all about how they can turn your message into theirs.

[wndycty]

9. Again this shouldn't be about Jesse doing FOX NEWS, even if he did the rest of the media. . .

. . .should ignore it and not feel the need to cover it.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

7. I'm OK with equal outrage on both

Fox and Jesse.

Jesse is like Don Imus...it's not an isolated incident but the history and consistency of his remarks.

There's no difference between "the 'N' word" and "Hymietown" to me...both are racist, no matter who utters them.

I don't know if I'd feel better about a private conversation or knowing how Jesse really thinks. In this case I think I'll go for honesty, whether it came as the result of a Fox dirty trick or not.

[wndycty]

10. You do realize that we Black folk often use the N word amongst ourselves. . .

. . .many folks of all identity groups use slurs that have been used against them when talking with one another.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

28. Yes, I know that some people do, and some people don't.

Jackson's used other words too...some of which have never been used against him.

[Buzz Clik]

8. What Jackson said didn't bother me a bit. But calling that a private conversation? Not hardly.

He was miked up and waiting during a break on Fox News. This kind of crap has happened to Reagan, Bush, and dozens of others. If you're wearing a microphone, don't speak unless you want it on the record.

[nomaco-10]

14. Lay down with dogs get up with fleas....

jesse jackson's jealousy of obama and lust to be on tv bit him in the ass. faux new's hate of all things 'democrat' couldn't believe their good luck when jesse shot off his mouth on a live mic.

two entities with separate agendas and one got played, or perhaps more accurately stated, played himself.

[wndycty]

16. So since you are ready to jump all over Jesse for this, do you think EVERYONE's hot mic comments. .

. . .should be made public? I bet you Jesse won't look so bad.

[navarth]

19. sure, make everyone's hot mic comments public. by all means....

that is, if they're STUPID enough to get caught by a scum bag outfit like Fox.

here's the difference for me: I expect Fox to be underhanded liars. I DON'T expect Jesse to do something as idiotic as this. At least I didn't used to think he was an idiot. My opinion has changed on this.

Which outrage is greater? Ehh...that's pretty close to being a tie, but I'll rule in favor of Jesse over Fixed News any day. But, man...I want to say (to no one in particular):

It's the STUPIDITY, stupid.

[wndycty]

21. And once FOX released it how do you think the rest of the media should have responded?

:kick:

[navarth]

35. Ehh...let me think about that.

I think the important thing here is that people are smart enough to know that they have to watch themselves when they have a mike in the vicinity.

Would I care if all the media ran with the dirt every time? It would make me nauseous more often than not...but if they catch a war criminal incriminating his or her self then I would want it trumpeted everywhere.

[nomaco-10]

22. Yes, EVERY Dem that goes on FAUX....

should expect to be exploited in some fashion. Such as, entire interviews edited into one sound bite taken out of context, to be talked over, cut off, marginalized and made fun of. That is what fox does.

Your question is something of an oxymoron, since your question pertains to the ethics of FAUX news in this particular case. Ethics and fox news have never gone together.

[Alter Ego]

18. Folks, it's Jesse Jackson.

If the media found suspicious looking skidmarks in his underwear they'd parade it in front of the cameras--that's how much the media hates him.

[wndycty]

20. Exactly

:kick:

[AZ Criminal JD]

40. Did you complain when the networks have reported hot mic comments

On Bush and every other President in my memory.

[SparkyMac]

37. "...telling "N words" how to behave"...

What bothers me most is the way he seemed to put the black people below he and Obama. He didn't say -- "us "N words" ... but "the "N words". If anybody understands what I am trying to say.

[Alter Ego]

45. Jesse went all Clayton Bigsby on Barack's ass.

[high density]

23. Nah, don't be offended about private information being leaked

It is now approved by the vast majority on DU. Just check out the Liechtenstein banking thread over in breaking news.

[fishwax]

24. Alas, there are many who can't pass up any opportunity to bash Jesse Jackson

:crazy:

[ecstatic]

25. That's true. The network would have been shut down by now

if all the hot mic comments of O'Reilly and Co were released.

[yellowcanine]

29. By definition a conversation picked up by a microphone is no longer private.

A person setting next to a microphone has no reasonable expection of privacy and should behave accordingly.

[AngryAmish]

30. Either way, it will be nice shutting Fox down after the election

[Freddie Stubbs]

31. Fortunately, Obama is no Hugo Chavez

[AZ Criminal JD]

39. Do you plan on eliminating the First Amendment?

[loyalsister]

33. Maybe a few RWers

What was it Chenney said during the first campaign that we all relished?

[aikoaiko]

34. Your premise is weak. Jackson spoke on a mic on a news show.

Sure, he didn't think anyone was listening and reporting, but to say that the news show was "eavesdropping" is pure spin.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. Seems like eavesdropping to me.

If I bug your house with a microphone and you didn't know it was on and you were being recorded, would that be eavesdropping?

[AZ Criminal JD]

38. You have an expectation of privacy in your house

You don't have an expectation of privacy when you have a mic and you are on camera.

[rebel with a cause]

43. While I agree that this could be called eavesdropping

I disagree with your comparison of it and someone bugging your house and recording it. That is totally different. Jesse was not in a private area where he could expect total privacy.

A better comparison would be if you were in a restaurant talking with your companions while someone was sitting at a near by table listening or even better with a tape recorder on their table. You would be able to see the recorder but would have no idea that they were recording you speaking. That your conversation was overheard could be accidental, but if it was listened to/recorded and then shared with others, that would be considered wrong and eavesdropping.

Unfortunately, Jesse was on mike and camera, and knowing that this was faux news he should have been more careful. So I hold him and the non-news channel responsible. It has been a while since I really respected the man the way I use to, I like his son better. As far as stomach turning faux is concerned, there has never been any respect or trust toward them as far as I am concerned and I always expect the worse from them.

[aikoaiko]

44. Horrible analogy.

Jackson went to CNNs "house" where there are reporters and recorders everywhere. Even a big camera mere feet away pointed out you.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

46. All of which he had reason to believe were off.

:shrug:

[Radical Activist]

41. It was an obvious set up by fox.

He was ambushed. Another good reason for Dems to boycott the network.

[Occam Bandage]

42. I am horribly offended that a "private" conversation in a television studio while mic'd and

in front of cameras was made public. I am shocked that Fox News of all organizations would release such a statement. Clearly Jesse Jackson never even considered the possibility that Fox News might release the racist and violent comments he made on mic, in front of cameras, and in a studio about the Democratic presidential nominee. I can't believe they would go so far as to eavesdrop on a conversation that occurred on a live mic in their own television studios, nor can I believe Fox News would treat Jesse Jackson claiming he wanted to cut the Democratic nominee's nuts off (and calling black people "niggers") as a newsworthy event.