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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:20 AM
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Secretary of Defense Gates ---- Senator Obama's new best friend
Edited on Thu Jul-17-08 11:28 AM by grantcart

A Dramatic Change of Course Points to a Change of Power within the Bush Administration




Over the last few days three separate actions indicate that the balance of power within the Bush Administration has undergone a significant shift:







1) The Joint Chiefs of Staff announce that they expect to reduce troop levels beyond expectations



http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hcWJu9bbzrJZ7uNHjvMn0BuTGqHQD91V3MU80

The Pentagon's top military officer said Wednesday that he expects to be able to recommend further troop reductions in Iraq this fall. Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that on his recent trip to Iraq, he found conditions had improved more than he expected.

clip

Commanders have talked carefully, but somewhat optimistically, about the prospects for cutting troop levels more later this fall.

In recent months, they have pointed to two significant improvements: Violence is down, and the Iraqi forces are rapidly growing in size and ability.

Officials have been hoping that if security continues to improve in Iraq, they may be able to send more units to Afghanistan, where they say violence is increasing because of the flow of militants from neighboring Pakistan.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Wednesday that officials are looking for ways to send additional U.S. troops to Afghanistan this year.








2) U.S. reverses course, will send envoy to talks with Iran





http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/16/us.iran/?iref=mpstoryview

The Bush administration has decided to break with previous policy by sending one of its most senior diplomats to engage Iran's top nuclear official, the White House announced Wednesday.
Undersecretary of State William Burns will head to Switzerland for talks on Saturday.

Undersecretary of State William Burns will head to Switzerland for talks on Saturday.

The move could dramatically alter the three-decade stand-off between the U.S. and Iran. Some western nations and Israel suspect Iran is intent on developing nuclear weapons and want Tehran to suspend uranium enrichment. Iran says it wants to develop nuclear power to produce electricity.

Undersecretary of State William Burns will accompany a European Union delegation during a meeting with Saeed Jalili, Iran's top nuclear official, in Switzerland on Saturday, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said. The delegation meeting with the Iranians will be led by the European Union's foreign policy chief, Javier Solana.







3) US will establish a permanent diplomatic presence in Iran



http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSL1611455720080717?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews

LONDON (Reuters) - The United States will announce in the next month that it plans to establish a diplomatic presence in Tehran for the first time in 30 years, a British newspaper said on Thursday.

In a front-page report, the Guardian said Washington would open a U.S. interests section in the Iranian capital, halfway towards opening an embassy.

The unsourced report by the newspaper's Washington correspondent said: "The Guardian has learned that an announcement will be made in the next month to establish a U.S. interests section in Tehran, a halfway house to setting up a full embassy.

"The move will see US diplomats stationed in the country.





A dramatic change in policy

Of these three moves the last is the most radical changing 30 years of separation, the United States will have full time diplomats in Iran.

This is a huge change in Administration policy where neocons have dominated the policy and bureaucracy.

"Never Confirmed UN Ambassador Bolton" is going ballistic calling yesterday's move "another reverse for the Bush administration . . .
the early coming of the Obama administration" http://youtube.com/watch?v=ESWRY3YOX8o -- please note the reaction to #2 above before the neo cons learned of step # 3 full diplomatic contact in Iran.


What accounts for this change? Is Bush learning from past mistakes and has he had a 'Damascus Road' epiphany that has shown him that diplomacy does in fact work?

No.

Gates has been the wildcard. Since replacing Rumsfield he has been the one and only independent mind in the Administration


I believe that in a few months Woodward will be writing a book detailing that there has been a showdown within the administration and Secretary of Defense Bob Gates has gained significant power and is having a major impact on policy.

What I think Secretary Gates has done.

1) Refused to endorse a military strike on Iran.

Rationale: I think that Gates has coordinated intelligence and opinions, including the JCS that any attack on Iran by either the US or Israel would result in Iranian 'volunteers' entering Iraq and that it is possible that the United States would be exposed to thousands of casualties.


2) He has cut the Joint Chiefs of Staff loose so that they are more depoliticized and can speak independently of the White House and even the Pentagon.

Rationale: When Rumsfield took over the SOD this time around he knew that if he was going to have exclusive control over the defense establishment he was going to neuter the JCS. He broke the law by refusing to allow the JCS have their own counsel so that they would get expert briefing on the legal foundation of their power. He broke the law by eliminating the JCS direct briefing of the administration.


Returning to Sanity


So, from my speculative point of view, Secretary Gates has boxed the White House in and in the absence of that Bush has had to hand the balance of international power to the State Department. It now appears (and it is way to late to cover her earlier incompetence and unspeakable earlier positions) that Secretary Rice is now actually acting like a true Secretary of State. No matter how you cut it permanent diplomatic presence in Iran is a major, the most major, change in policy in the Bush administration's history.

Why did Gates hand the Obama Campaign such favorable policy moves at this time?


Let's face it. While Bush personally would do anything to support McCain as a failed continuation of his Presidency, these three announcements completely undermine McCain's campaign and are a virtual policy endorsement of Obama.

The reason that Gates is doing this, I believe, has nothing to do with partisan politics. Gates is doing this, IMHO, because of two reasons:

1) He intends to follow the law and by giving the JCS latitude to have its own opinion and make it public, even when it counters Administration policy he is simply following the law.

2) He represents a significant part of the Republican Party that was horrified to see the neocons politicize basic State and Defense Department functions. One of the most damaging actions of the Bush administration was to throw away basic bi-partisan positions that have kept both the State and Defense Department and basic fundamental world view issues out of petty partisan campaigns since President Truman. Even under Nixon, where there existed dramatic differences on specific policy's like Vietnam, there continued a basic understanding of the role of diplomacy, our allies and the UN. Under Reagan these assumptions were tested somewhat but really never abandoned.

Secretary Gates has brought the Administration away from its attack at every opportunity and forced them to engage diplomatically.

This shows that the Bush administration has not only lost the support of the American people but has lost the ability to perpetuate the coup of the neo cons within the national security apparatus.


By simply doing the rational and legal thing Secretary Gates has shown that Senator Obama's plans for Iraq and Iran are founded in common sense and are not a dangerous departure from what America has been doing for decades - working with allies and engaging in diplomacy rather than initiating needless wars.




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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:25 AM
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1. I wish Gates would have been SecDef instead of Rummy
I have a feeling we might not have gone into Iraq in the first place and if we did, it would have been done correctly (not that I believe we should have done so, but it was a botched operation from the start).


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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:26 AM
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2. All of Bush senior's advisors were against the war in Iraq

Scowcroff (SP?) for example.


Bush chose Rumsfield in part because his father hated him. Part of the Bush pathology that will never be fully understood.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 04:19 PM
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60. EXACTLY! The "higher father" crapola. Gates is a good man and not a toadie. nt
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:30 AM
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3. Isn't there a #4 - Gates wants more troops for Afghanistan in shift of priorities
Gates wants more troops for Afghanistan in shift of priorities

20 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) — US Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he wants to send more troops to Afghanistan "sooner rather than later," signaling a shift in priorities from Iraq amid warnings of an accelerating Taliban threat.

Gates and Admiral Michael Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, also said Pakistan needed to do more to stop the unimpeded flow of Taliban and other fighters into Afghanistan from safe havens in Pakistan.

"There is a real need to do something on the Pakistani side of the border to bring pressure to bear on the Taliban and some of these other violent groups," Gates said.

The US defense chief denied as "untrue" a report that US forces were massing on the border to go into Pakistan. But he did not rule out unilateral military action across the border.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jNcp4oINoLF0Yr-BaMUBLEozywkw
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:36 AM
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5. yes but more troops isn't really a flip flop for Bush
Establishing a permanent diplomatic presence in Iran (we haven't had one in 30 years) is a stunning development.

It is bigger IMHO than our re-establishing diplomatic relations with the Vietnamese.

It is also bigger than simply agreeing to meet with Ahmadinejad for a single meeting.

It is actually quite a stunning reversal.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:32 AM
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4. I suspect Gates was forced on Bush
He may not have known he was being forced, but I do think adults made that decision (and I certainly don't mean Cheney when I say adults).
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:37 AM
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7. He was forced in the sense that he was given few options that would pass the Senate
Democrat and Republicans were fed up with Neocon Ideologues and would never had approved anything besides the faceless technocrat Gates is.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:41 AM
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8. It appears Poppy Bush asked gates to jump and Gates did say, how high?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 12:23 PM
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55. misplaced ---
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 12:24 PM by defendandprotect
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:36 AM
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6. Good..this will make it better for
our Planet and a smoother transition for our next administration.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:55 AM
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9. In fact by establishing a diplomatic office there he will take one very big
and possibly contentious issue away from the early days of the Obama administration.

Although I am sure that was not a factor.
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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:14 PM
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10. Grantcart- If you are correct
and you make a really good case for it- it occurs to me that this transformation in the balance of power could not have occurred unless/until Cheney had been defanged.

Do you believe that is the case?

Could Gates have gotten the goods on Cheney through the investigations into the moveable atomic armed missiles?

And, since Gates is Poppy's man, is it possible that the last thing the Poppy Bush machine wants is an incompetent, senile idiot like McCain in charge?

Wat

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 01:48 PM
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18. Well its all speculation but I think they have and here is why

the Bank runs have put the fiscal conservatives in full panic.

The one thing that will bring down the price of oil immediately is that if they announce some breakthrough with Iran.

If that happens gas will come down and the markets will quiet.

Liquidity will increase and the pressure on the banks with heavy mortgage exposure will lessen.


I think the mortgage and economic crises has defanged Cheney and the neo cons - the big money advisers have finally said enough.


But of course we have to wait for the Woodward book to know for sure lol.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 02:18 PM
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21. Right. The most plausible scenario is
Edited on Thu Jul-17-08 02:19 PM by Kaleko
that, faced with the imminent collapse of the US economy (and by extension the global economy), the neo-con hawks had to abandon their PNAC plans for Iran. And two days ago their brinkmanship became intolerable for even the banksters who run the global war-profiteering scheme behind the scenes.

IOW, our robber baron Overlords are retrenching now. Re-grouping, no doubt.

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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 03:02 PM
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31. Interesting speculation
Are you sure your first name is not Bob?
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:48 PM
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11. K&R, and bookmarked. nt
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:49 PM
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12. kickipoo
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:50 PM
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13. Nope. Troop reduction= "Surge worked" their new focus to shift from Iraq debacle
Edited on Thu Jul-17-08 12:51 PM by cryingshame
Emphasis on Iran= set up for something we don't know about yet.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 01:42 PM
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15. You completely miss the fact that the JCS statement reinforces Obama's whole
point and rips McCain's point that we cannot even think about a time table to shreds.


But much more to the point is today's announcement that after 30 years of no direct diplomatic interaction at all,

We are going to have a permanent office in Iran with our own diplomatic staff.

In diplomatic terms this is skips about 4 stages of diplomatic warming that would include expanding interest sections in another country's embassy etc.

The change in diplomatic terms over the last 2 days is absolutely dramatic and goes way beyond the White House and involves major players at the State Department.

Cheney and the Neo cons would never have gone along with this and are publicly calling this an "early Obama" move.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 01:00 PM
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14. These last few days have been
really fascinating in terms of FP and NS happenings and undercurrents and their possible implications. Great post! And I agree, the establishment of a diplomatic presence in Iran, if confirmed, is a stunning development.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 01:45 PM
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16. even sending Burns is by itself a major step forward
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 03:01 PM
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30. Where did he pop from?
I saw him last week I think in a SFRC hearing on Iran and I was impressed. And so seemed to be the smart guys in the committee. Biden could not stop (not a huge surprise there :-)) parising him.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 05:14 PM
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34. career diplomat with high ME credentials
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 05:15 PM
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35. CNN has now stated that the White House is not denying the Guardian report
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 01:46 PM
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17. 52 raised in june with 68$ avg contribution scared the shit out of them
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 01:49 PM
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19. Yes it has been thrilling to hear about these moves. //nt
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 01:53 PM
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20. Pundit: Gates may be retained as Obama's Sec. of Defense
I really like Gates. He has held people responsible for their screw-ups, unlike everyone else in the Bush Administration. One pundit on CNN said there are rumors that Obama is considering keeping Gates as Sec. of Defense.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 02:32 PM
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24. No that is just silly IMHO
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 03:07 PM
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32. Doubt it
Gates himself made a very strong statement about it not too long ago, I do not remember the wording but it was very categorical, and he sounded like he was counting the seconds until he can get the hell out of the Pentagon. But I agree that Gates seems to have done a good job, given the pile of shit that he was handed. No wonder the poor man looks beyond weary and sad whenever his face pops on on the screen.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 06:07 PM
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39. Do some reading on KBR's poor electrical work in Iraq electrocuting our soldiers
Gates hasn't held a single person accountable for that.

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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 02:21 PM
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22. I Don't Believe In Miracles
which is why I cannot accept Gates as the hero. Anyone working for the Bushbots, regardless of what he is doing, is suspect. Bush doesn't hire anyone he doesn't own, even at the edge of Apocalypse.

To postulate that there are any Republicans who have not been assimilated, blackmailed or neutralized by the Borg-Bushbots is to spin a nice fairy tale.

They aren't called the Evil Empire as a compliment.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 02:33 PM
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25. The Republicans are as homogeneous as we are which is an ironic way of
saying that since we do not agree then you whole premise of Bush being the single dominating authority of the Republican party as beyond far fetched.

He will be lucky to get invited to the convention this year.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 05:15 PM
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36. The GOP Used to Have Factions
But the NeoCon Fascists pushed everyone else out.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 06:17 PM
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40. Not really
they just gained control and shouted louder than anybody else for a while. It is likely to change.
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shimmergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 10:50 AM
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62. They're not immune to the
internal politics and infighting which exists in every group.
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NattPang Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 02:21 PM
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23. Great post.
Too bad you are not a reporter,
and that those that called themselves reporters
aren't reporting these kind of stories
that should be reported.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 02:35 PM
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26. If I was a reporter I would never report this as it is just speculation
but I think that the key part - of Gates setting an independent course for the JCS and shutting down the attacks on Iran will be proven correct.
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 02:37 PM
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27. Diplomacy should always be the front line ... excellent post gc
The State Department is still in the spin cycle, but I can see from your reference points that both departments seem to want the spin to cease.

:thumbsup:
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 02:44 PM
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28. Damn grantcart, you just made my week!
K & R
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Fire_brand Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 02:46 PM
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29. Maybe this is why we've seen McCain's new Obama = Bush message
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 05:09 PM
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33. UPDATE CNN REPORTS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS NOT DENYING
GUARDIAN REPORT
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 05:26 PM
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37. At least I am vindicated about Gates I said he would be a vast improvement...
I mean when they get it right we should at least give them credit.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 05:49 PM
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38. absolutely he is a non ideological professional

and the reality is before Bush all Sec of state and defense were non political.


We are pulling back from the edge of insanity to where we can just disagree.


It completely confirms Obama's main campaign themes.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 06:18 PM
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41. YES, very well put n/t
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 08:22 PM
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45. Me too
He seemed genuinely non-ideological & bewildered by all the speculation of a war w/Iran. But it seems like he later realized that the neocons were crazy enough to try it. I'd love to hear him tell the truth about his experiences w/Darth Cheney.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 06:31 PM
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42. Call me cynical, I think the bush administration is trying to steal Obama's thunder.
They'll be g'damned if bush leaves office with a horrendous legacy as regards the Middle East; therefore, what do they do? Stay a couple moves ahead of Obama and make sure he isn't the one who begins to smooth the way for a peaceful resolution.

No matter what Obama does to ensure stability in Iraq and Afghanistan and to maintain non-hostile relations with Iran, the bush administration will now claim credit for it because the first big moves are coming during Little Boots' administration. The damn thing is, these are good moves, but I'd like to ask WTF took them so long.

Next thing you know, they'll be miraculously capturing Osama bin Laden.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 08:02 PM
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43. This is all about the election.
They are doing this to try to help McCain. They think it might help McCain if they seem a bit more moderate. But watch out if McCain should somehow win. Once the election is over then the neocons would be back in the saddle again.
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 08:41 PM
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46. Heh, that's what I've been thinking.
They don't play nice unless there's something in it for them.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 08:42 PM
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47. you could be right but it may be that the markets have forced them to move
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 10:08 PM
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49. True. It's getting really, really bad out there.
They always have a hidden agenda, though, and the speed with which they're moving, basically implementing Obama's professed intents, makes me highly suspicious. A strong economy usually portends well for the election of a Repub.

Not that I would want the economy to get any worse just to help Obama, heaven forfend. I'm having a hard time, too, financially. :(
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 12:37 AM
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52. I agree w/ you on the cynicism.
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 12:37 AM by jaysunb
But it's probably too late for the public perception to be changed about who & what got us in this fine mess. That's why his approval ratings are in the tank. It won't work for McCain.

As to Usama bin Laden. He's probably been dead for years. Bush will more than likely have one of the "stand ins " whacked just to say he got him... :evilfrown:
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 08:19 PM
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44. It's such a relief
Gates has taken over the spot that Colin Powell vacated - as the one semi-sane member of the Bush Ad. Except unlike Powell, he seems willing to fight the neocons. We might never know exactly what went on, but it's clear that there was some type of power struggle between Gates & Cheney/neocons, and Gates won. Thank God.

One other detail: Gates fired some major Air Force officers after nuclear weapons were mistakenly placed on an Air Force jet. IMO there's a big story there. The Air Force is a rat-nest of neocons.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 08:45 PM
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48. except that Powell was never able to win the power game

The firing of the AF personnel 1 civilian and 1 general was very significant IMHO because it showed that he wanted to make the military more of a meritocracy and less of a political jungle. I think the generals were releived and support him.

The other big change is that, quite illegaly, Rumsfield had stopped the Chairman of the JCS from briefing the President personally.

I am sure that Gates has changed that and that will have a big impact on Bush.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 04:20 PM
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61. Powell rolled over and played dead. Unforgiveable considering Abu Graib and Gitmo. nt
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davidsharon Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 10:13 PM
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50. Gates strikes me as a moderate
Even probably to the left of moderate military types. He's definitely not made from the same fabric as Rumsfeld.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:15 PM
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51. this always makes me wonder what the other posts were
anyway welcome to DU

and

hope you enjoyed the pizza

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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 07:27 AM
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53. I'd noticed 2 of these items and thought something had shifted
and that cheney was probably sitting and seething somewhere, but I didn't connect it directly to Gates. After reading your post here, I think you've put it together.

Thanks and :kick:

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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 11:03 AM
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54. K&R for a fascinating read.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 12:25 PM
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56. Gates isn't dumb . . . as we've seen from his work in the October Surprise and Iran-Contra . . .
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 02:53 PM
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57. is it not possible...
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 02:55 PM by northernlights
they are doing this to help McCain get elected?

1. Drawdown in Iraq = "victory" see, Bush and McCain's surge worked

2. Sudden reversal on Iran to drop oil & gas prices exactly in time for the runup to the election = see? Bush's war policy worked and now oil and gas are cheap, so economy will be just fine.

The "Obama was right" message comes out mid-summer, when people are vacationing.

The "oil and gas prices plunge" and "troop drawdown Iraq and Taliban beaten into submission" messages hit in October, in the weeks prior to the election.

*After* the election, the Iran talks can blow up (or be blown up), oil and gas and be forced back up. The oil companies take a temporary 6 month hit in exchange for another 4 years of war profiteering....
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 03:23 PM
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58. This is so great to see!
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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 04:16 PM
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59. Could also show judging by this quote
By simply doing the rational and legal thing Secretary Gates has shown that Senator Obama's plans for Iraq and Iran are founded in common sense and are not a dangerous departure from what America has been doing for decades - working with allies and engaging in diplomacy rather than initiating needless wars.


That obama was a neocon all the time masquerading as a Democrat. Nothing will change with Obama. He has said himself he favors Nixon and Reagan. Pack your bags, you're going under the bus kids.
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