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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 05:19 PM
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"NYT says Obama should have fixed the US already"
Zenbowl on Kos rocks!

How else can you explain this headline?

Poll Finds Obama Candidacy Isn’t Closing Divide on Race

Oh, really?

You mean Barack Obama just running for President hasn't been enough to heal the wounds of slavery, of segregation, of Jim Crow? Barack Obama is running for office not already running the country. And speak of running the country...

Indeed, the poll showed markedly little change in the racial components of people’s daily lives since 2000, when The Times examined race relations in an extensive series of articles called "How Race Is Lived in America."

As it was eight years ago, few Americans have regular contact with people of other races, and few say their own workplaces or their own neighborhoods are integrated. In this latest poll, over 40 percent of blacks said they believed they had been stopped by the police because of their race, the same figure as eight years ago; 7 percent of whites said the same thing.


(snip)

But Obama is somehow responsible for this morass? Obama's campaign, the subject of smears, hate, and racism, is responsible for healing the country, before he even gets into office?

I mean, New York Times, seriously, W. T. F.

How is a campaign supposed to not only transcend one of (if not the) most fundamental issues that has plagued America since the first slaves were brought ashore, since the first Indians were massacred, but also fix it by virtue of simple existence?

Wouldn't a "Race remains a challenge for America" or "Bush Administration has done nothing to heal racial divide" be more accurate?

And are we really surprised that African Americans have come out to support the black nominee for President, particularly when he's running against a man who literally ate cake with George Bush while people were dying in New Orleans?

No.

So, seriously, NYT. No one expects Barack Obama to actually fix anything until he becomes President, right? Right?

You don't get to pin the Bush legacy, and 400 years of American history, on one man's campaign. Sorry.


One of the (thousand and one) things I like about Obama and his team most is their inability to let the B.S. fly for too long without a smack-down. Obama and the rest of us have had enough of the lies and distortions and he's showing them every day that we're DONE! Zenbowl goes on to say:

Update II The Obama Camp has responded with some facts that blow up the whole premise of the article. Facts lifted from the same poll!

a) More white voters say Obama cares about people like them, than say the same thing about McCain by 31 to 23

b) On the essential issue in this campaign - bringing about change in Washington - Among white voters, Obama is seen as the change agent by 52% to 30%

c) Obama's 31% favorable rating among white voters is virtually identical to McCain's, which is at 34%.

d) By a 2 to 1 margin over McCain, white voters are more likely to say that Obama would improve America's image in the world

e) "Racial dissension" around Mrs. Obama's 24% favorable rating among whites is an extremely odd description given that Mrs. McCain's favorable rating among white voters is 20%.

f) Enthusiasm for Obama's candidacy is roughly 2.5 times higher among white voters than is enthusiasm for McCain's.

g) Obama is winning by 6 points against McCain and the gap among white voters is only 9 -- a margin smaller than independent expert on voting patterns, Ruy Texiera, said would give Obama a " solid win."

h) though there is a six-point margin of error among black voters the NYT describes the 7-point change in black voters' views that whites had a better chance of getting ahead as slightly higher than 8 years ago. Given that the Times reports horserace questions as statistically even when the margin falls within the margin, it seems that this shift from seven years ago among black voters is well within the margin of error.


Thank you for responding so quickly, Senator Obama!

No smear should go unchallenged - particularly when it's on the front page of the New York Times.


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/16/6223/05605


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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 05:35 PM
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1. Yeah, why hasn't he stopped the war yet, huh? How come?
The nerve, running for president.

How presumptuous of him. Hmf.

:sarcasm:
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 05:50 PM
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2. And yet, the other guy running, the one who loves war?
Not a word! It's infuriating.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 06:24 PM
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3. Today's front page NYT hit piece:
From the print edition:

"In Iraq, Affection for Obama The Man...but His Proposal?"

After the Judy Miller episode, I no longer trust this newspaper.

Maybe tomorrow's front page will be:

"Nice Guy Obama Fails to Solve World's Problems"
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 06:28 PM
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4. Listen to Gore Vidal...
...he's always said the NYT is nothing but a mouthpiece for the establishment.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 09:45 PM
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6. I've come to hate that paper.
And I'm a NY'er so it's not a pleasant feeling.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 07:57 PM
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5. Yeah! That's right! I'm so disgusted, I might vote for McCain!
Because that will surely solve all of our problems toot sweet!
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 10:03 PM
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7. Obama's been in the Senate for over three years and he
Edited on Thu Jul-17-08 10:05 PM by rebel with a cause
has not brought around world peace yet! He is a complete failure. :eyes:

mccain has been there for now for so many years that I'm not sure how many, and look at all the peace he has brought about. He is a true hero, and since he advocated this war, he has been secretly leading our troops in combat missions every so often. He is respectful of women and minorities, and would never tell a harmful joke about members of either group. :sarcasm:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 10:11 PM
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8. The New Whore Times.. Follow the
money..who owns it? Helping the bu$hits to bomb Iraq wasn't enough for them.

Covering up that Al Gore won the presidency wasn't enough for them.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 12:29 AM
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9. To be fair
it doesn't say Obama himself hasn't healed the racial divide. It says his candidacy hasn't.

I don't think they're blaming Obama.
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