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Sun Jul-20-08 03:12 PM
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I can tolerate Evan Bayh as a VP choice. |
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Especially if he can help in Indiana. I don't like Bayh, but he seems to be a fairly strong Obama surrogate and he can do a lot worse.
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Sun Jul-20-08 03:14 PM
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1. I'm pretty much resigned to him picking a boring centrist white guy. Bayh is a decent one. |
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Sun Jul-20-08 06:26 PM
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31. I'm not resigned to anything.. Team |
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Obama is full of surprises and they're usually the good kind.
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Sun Jul-20-08 03:14 PM
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2. He doesn't bring enough to the table imo. |
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Sun Jul-20-08 03:14 PM
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3. He supported the Iraq War. I highly doubt Obama will pick someone who supported this. |
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He made that argument in the debates with Hillary Clinton - that we'll have an easier time winning this election if we can't be painted as hypocrites.
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Sun Jul-20-08 05:06 PM
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Obama, in no small measure, beat Clinton, Dodd, Biden and Edwards based on their war votes. He will not pick a yes-voter, as it would undermine his core strength.
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Sun Jul-20-08 03:15 PM
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4. Yick. If Obama just wants a safe, useless white lump, I guess he'll do, but it |
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Sun Jul-20-08 03:16 PM
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6. I don't think it excites anyone, but I can tolerate the choice. |
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Sun Jul-20-08 03:21 PM
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8. Yes--I'll support whomever he picks, but I |
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would feel pretty let-down if he picked Bayh. That's like going to a Ford dealership and picking out the Taurus instead of the zippy Mustang or a venerated workhorse F Series pickup. Just a bland, safe, inoffensive option.
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Sun Jul-20-08 03:49 PM
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Bayh on the ticket would offend a lot of people. Including his own dead father, more than likely.
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Sun Jul-20-08 03:54 PM
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16. Birch Bayh is still alive and well |
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Mon Jul-21-08 02:49 PM
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Sorry about that, Birch! :hi:
Not sorry about not having much use for your son, however. :(
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Sun Jul-20-08 04:06 PM
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18. Well, inoffensive in terms of being a careful finger-in-the-wind pol-- |
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as opposed to someone who is outspoken but might step on some sensibilities, like Jim Webb or Joe Biden.
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Sun Jul-20-08 06:26 PM
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32. I totally agree - useless white lump |
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Sun Jul-20-08 03:16 PM
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5. He won't carry Indiana |
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Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 03:18 PM by depakid
anymore than Edwards carried North Carolina and is at odds with the progressive base (and Obama) on many issues.
It's a sure net negative for the campaign....
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Sun Jul-20-08 03:50 PM
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There is NO comparison to Edwards ...
1) Edwards was a first term senator without a long term relationship with his state politically ... 2) The margin in NC for Ds was prohibitive ...
Have you looked at Bayh's election record ...
1) He won secretary of state ... 2) He went from secretary of state to govenor, two terms ... 3) He is going on his 10th year in the senate ... 4) After this first governor's run, none of his races have been close ...
Indiana is in BO's Illinios power zone, and he is polling either ahead or no more than 2-3 points down ...
Bayh WILL bring Indiana home for BO if he is on the ticket ...
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Sun Jul-20-08 03:55 PM
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17. I think Indiana has a Republican governor, so we'd lose a senate seat there |
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but if Bayh can deliver the state, probably worth it...
I also like Clinton, Richardson, Edwards, Kaine, & a couple others...
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Sun Jul-20-08 08:26 PM
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35. There is an election for Governor this year in Indiana. |
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If Jill Long-Thompson can beat the current Republican governor she will get to pick Bayh's replacement.
If Richard Lugar accepts an appointment in Obama's cabinet Jill will be able to pick his replacement too.
NE Indiana is one of the areas that we need to win for Jill to become Governor. We have a candidate running in the 3rd District that has raised more money than our current Representative for the first time. And odds are good for an upset there too. The Obama campaign can help both candidates and we could have a trifecta.
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Sun Jul-20-08 10:38 PM
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40. Indiana would require a 20% point swing from 2004! |
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Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 10:40 PM by depakid
Sorry to to tell you, but in the based community community- and especially in a rust belt state that's well past a prohibitive margin.
Not going to happen. What it would do though is further alienate the progressive base, clip Obama's coattails and adversely affect other races (and votes on initiatives) down ticket.
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Sun Jul-20-08 03:16 PM
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7. He would be awful! Why in the heck is he on all the speculators' short lists? |
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Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 03:17 PM by Windy
While he was for Clinton, how can that translate to him being on Obama's short list?
I just don't understand why anyone even considers him with all of the other good choices out there.
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Sun Jul-20-08 03:23 PM
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10. Probably just because he's so awful. To demonstrate a sickening submissiveness. |
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To be a preemptive loser.
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Mon Jul-21-08 02:24 PM
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45. Simple. Obama is doing a great job of keeping a lid on things. |
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What we're left with are a bunch of scientific wild-ass guesses.
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Sun Jul-20-08 03:23 PM
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9. Nothing can help in Indiana. I'd go for Webb and Va.. nt |
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Sun Jul-20-08 03:24 PM
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11. Webb is out, my choice is Kaine, but if it isn't Kaine or Montana's gov, it'll probably be him. |
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Sun Jul-20-08 03:45 PM
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12. Biden or Clark would be an improvement over Bayh.. |
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Neither adds geography but the reality is, neither does Bayh.
And both add gravitas. Evan does not.
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Sun Jul-20-08 04:32 PM
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21. Clark, maybe, Biden no way. |
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Biden has a lot of baggage, unfortunately and I really like him.
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Sun Jul-20-08 05:33 PM
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27. Unfortunately Clark hasn't helped his situation |
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with his comments...
and this election will be close..... The prior nominees lost by one red state... Do we really want to risk another one state loss?
Bayh gives the dems a shot to sweep IN, MI, PA & OH. NO REPUBLICAN CAN WIN under those circumstances.
Obama desperately needs someone who can appease white males in red states. Especially in IN, MI, OH, VA and CO.
Bayh is the logical choice. Do you folks want to win or do you want to continue being victims and making statements?
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Sun Jul-20-08 06:21 PM
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29. What evidence is there that Bayh adds appeal across the MW? |
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>>>with his comments...
and this election will be close..... The prior nominees lost by one red state... Do we really want to risk another one state loss?
Bayh gives the dems a shot to sweep IN, MI, PA & OH. NO REPUBLICAN CAN WIN under those circumstances.
Obama desperately needs someone who can appease white males in red states. Especially in IN, MI, OH, VA and CO.
Bayh is the logical choice. Do you folks want to win or do you want to continue being victims and making statements>>>
I'd be shocked if he brought along even Indiana. History would appear to back me up: Ferraro was popular in NY; Mondale lost the state. Bentsen was popular in Texas: Dukakis lost the state. Edwards was popular in NC; Kerry lost the state.
Mondale may have helped Carter in Minn... agaiinst a nother North-midwesterner ( the exception that proves the rule.)
Clinton carried Tennessee but it was two guys with a drawl against two Yankee republicans with another southerner siphioning off third party votes.
None of these states ( correct me if I'm wrong) had a history of overwhelming tilt toward GOP in presidential elections as does Indiana.
The case for Bayh is ... so far... overwhelmingly underwhelming.
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Tue Jul-22-08 11:55 AM
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50. His comments were fine. |
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The media's blustering about them was the problem.
I think Obama should pick Clark to shove it in their faces.
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Sun Jul-20-08 07:55 PM
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34. Schweitzer (Montana) is a great choice! |
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Sun Jul-20-08 03:48 PM
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13. Edwards is a better pick. Obama's poll numbers shoot up with Edwards on board. (nt) |
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Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 03:48 PM by w4rma
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Tue Jul-22-08 12:51 PM
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51. Except in my sphere of influence - where the poll numbers tank. |
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Edwards is as bad as Bayh.
Hell, they even look alike.
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Sun Jul-20-08 04:09 PM
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19. Choosing a VP based on geographics is over-rated. |
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I would prefer someone who brings some excitement to the campaign.
Proof in point. Governor Vilsack of Iowa. He was a well loved Democrat in Iowa but he couldn't poll higher than 3rd or 4th in his home state during his short time as a presidential candidate. And that was with the same Dems who voted for him twice as Governor and respected him highly.
Call me unrealistic but I want Obama to pick someone who he has chemistry with. I want to be blinded by the electricity that is generated when the two stand on a stage together.
Just say no to bland VP choices. Please.
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Sun Jul-20-08 08:29 PM
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36. George HW Bush had to pick Dan Quayle as VP because he needed someone blander than himself. |
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Obama doesn't have to pick someone anywhere as bland as Quayle or be stuck with picking Bayh when there are better prospects.
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Mon Jul-21-08 02:55 PM
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48. Poppy chose Quayle for another reason |
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So nobody would do to him, what he tried to do to Reagan in March 1981.
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Sun Jul-20-08 04:17 PM
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20. I can no longer figure it out. Webb, Gore and Clark are out. |
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Sadly.
I fear it may yet be Hillary, and that would be an unmitigated disaster for a President Obama, even if he were to win.
I love John Edwards, but as AG. He was a flop in 2004 as Veep nominee.
I just can't figure it out anymore. Even Dick Gephardt might be in the mix at this point.
I was kind of a Webb guy. I want somebody tough in there, and sympatico with Barack. Bill Richardson might be OK; he has the resume. Not an exciting campaigner, and has fences to mend in the Midwest, but I like him. Hillary supporters hate him, though. What about Ed Rendell?
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Sun Jul-20-08 04:59 PM
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22. He would be a terrible choice. During the past eight years, he has |
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consistently supported many of Bush's positions. He is a disgusting Democrat.
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Sun Jul-20-08 05:08 PM
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24. I'm sure he's a perfectly fine candidate, but he's always seemed |
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a little milquetoastish to me. I'd prefer someone who might add to the excitement of the Obama candidacy, not take away from it.
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Sun Jul-20-08 05:10 PM
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25. i think MI, OH and PA will all respond well to a IL + IN ticket as well (and I live in MI) |
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Sun Jul-20-08 05:17 PM
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26. We're not guaranteed Indiana even with Bayh |
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I don't care about 2008 state polls. The tendency of that state is wide right. Granted, it would be possible but someone like Kaine makes exponentially more sense. Virginia is much closer to the tipping point than Indiana, in terms of state voting tendency to the national percentage.
Bayh would bring nothing elsewhere. Other than call into question why Obama made such a bland choice.
To be honest, I prefer someone other than Bayh because I want to bet on McCain in Indiana. That would be free money if Bayh is not on the ticket. Obama will win minus Indiana and I'd be making a simple pick up financially, taking advantage of lame state polls. :)
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Sun Jul-20-08 05:36 PM
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28. Bayh was a champion of the iraq war vote with joe lieberman, unforgiveable |
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Evan Bayh does not have the judgement to lead.
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Sun Jul-20-08 06:25 PM
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Creepy, horrible, horrible choice. Could barely hold his own against LIEberman today. He seems to lack intellectual heft.
But I still have the most vivid memory of a little old lady immediately after the 04 selection ask Bayh how we can possibly trust that our votes count correctly and what a scam it was. He stood there - first surprised - like he was so uninformed about irregularities and then to state that he thought everything was totally on the up-and-up.
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Sun Jul-20-08 07:38 PM
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33. Not an exciting candidate, but ... |
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you don't really want excitement from the #2 person. You mainly want them to do no harm.
Bayh does no harm and, even if he can't bring Indiana, an Obama-Bayh ticket (i.e., a couple of Midwestern guys) might be pretty attractive in states like Ohio.
Yes, he voted for the IWR, but so did Biden and Clinton. Yes, he is more moderate-conservative than most people here would like, but you kind of have to be in Indiana. And given the fact that people are seriously talking about Schweitzer (who once mused publicly about supporting Mitt Romney) and even Hagel, I don't see why Bayh should be ruled out on ideological grounds.
If Obama is really going to change the electoral map, he has to be able to solidify his appeal to independents, moderate Democrats, and even disaffected Republicans. I'd wager those people would like Bayh.
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Sun Jul-20-08 08:31 PM
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37. That would run contrary to Cheney as VP with Bush. |
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Cheney was the pit bull on the ticket.
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Sun Jul-20-08 08:33 PM
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38. Say no to any state neighboring Illinois. |
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Sun Jul-20-08 08:37 PM
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39. please define "a lot worse" |
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I'll take Bayh, but I think he is pretty much bottom of the barrel.
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Mon Jul-21-08 07:12 AM
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41. I liked his dad but am lukewarm on Evan. I think he would be a |
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fiercely loyal team player and do whatever he could for Obama in Indiana and elsewhere.
There are a lot of resolute Republicans in Indiana, but with Democratic registration up, a relatively unpopular GOP governor to unseat, plus Bayh on the ticket, Indiana is a possible blue win. Not in the bag, but more possible.
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Mon Jul-21-08 07:23 AM
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42. He is not going to pick anyone that voted for IWR and Kyl-Lieberman. |
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Edited on Mon Jul-21-08 07:25 AM by JTFrog
And why the fuck should he? Even the fucking Republican Senator of Indiana voted against the Kyl crap.
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Mon Jul-21-08 01:17 PM
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43. Bayh gave Lieberman the smack down yesterday.......... |
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on Fox. He has my support if he is selected. Bayh didn't let Chris Wallace get away with anything. I like several of the top veeps on the list so I will be happy with most of them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwIpoFUUiQ4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oehj9qyDFp8&feature=related
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Mon Jul-21-08 02:20 PM
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I can support Evan Bayh as VP. I'm from Indiana and I think he is a great Senator even though I don't agree with him on everything. He is very moderate and I believe that he can connect with voters in places like Indiana and Ohio.
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Tue Jul-22-08 11:52 AM
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I feel the same way. Having lived in Ohio, Michigan and Indiana I can tell you he is very well respected and have had many independents and Republicans tell me they would definitely vote Democrat if Bayh is on the ticket.
Agree or disagree with Bayh his strategy to get more Indiana Democratic U.S. congressman in the House worked in 2006. Indiana now has more Dem Representatives then Republican Representatives. People in the middle that swing the vote don't care if folks are Republican or Democrat they just want the job done.
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Could there be a more Liebermanesque selection?
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