Obama-Hagel ???

[earthside]

Obama has been sensational in running an unprecedented and compelling campaign.

For instance, the photos of Senators Obama. Reed and Hagel in Afghanistan and Iraq have been terrific.

Imagine the bold and dramatic impact if Nebraska U.S. Senator Chuck Hagel announces that he is switching parties and becoming a Democrat --- and Obama picks Hagel as the vice presidential nominee.

What a display of momentum, of excitement, of an innovative change in direction, of a 'new' kind of politics.

With a pick like this Obama demonstrates his ability to work with all kinds of people, it shows confidence and strength, it means Obama probably wins Nebraska, Colorado, Montana, maybe South and North Dakota. A Hagel party switch and veep pick would demoralize the GOP and could set the stage for an historic electoral landslide.

A 'Democrat' Hagel would undercut almost everything McSame is running on. It would just about blow the whole Republican Party out of the water for 2008.

[thereismore]

1. I am gusssing that an offer like that is open to Hagel. It's in his court now. nt

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[cliffordu]

3. Mrs Hagel, Is that you???

Yet another fucking Hagel thread.

He is NOT a Democrat.




OH, YEAH!!!!

IBTL!!!!!

[Clovis Sangrail]

5. is there a rule that the vp has to be in the same party? /nt

[cliffordu]

13. Only if you don't want another fucking Republican ready to take the reins.

Hagel does 4 years as VP and then runs against Obama, who, I might add is going to inherit the biggest mess financially this country has ever seen. That's a great way to run a Repbug in 4 years....

I don't get the romance with Hagel

[Clovis Sangrail]

15. I'm not thinking of Hagel specifically (or anybody for that matter) /nt

[stimbox]

4. Aw jeez, not this shit again!

[Faygo Kid]

6. Hagel is anti-choice, anti-Medicare, pro-Bush tax cuts. He's a disaster.

Jesus H. Christ, check the man's voting record.

You want to put him a heartbeat from the Oval Office? Forget it.

[dflprincess]

18. "A Hagel party switch and veep pick would demoralize the GOP"

It would also demoralize a lot of us Democrats who are hanging on by a thread after the FISA vote I think Hagel as VP might push a lot of the Democratic base over the edge.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

7. Negatory on Hagel as VP, however, he's doing his best to help Obama here

and should be thrown a bone, secdef maybe...

[Inspired]

8. No but I don't mind him hanging around Obama if only to drive repukes nuts.

[Thrill]

9. No way I want a conservative that close to the Presidency

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[goodgd_yall]

10. Oh, stop it

Look at Hagel's whole record before you get excited about a Republican in the VP slot.

[Lisa0825]

11. Have you been hiding under a friggin rock lately??????

Otherwise you'd know how damned sick we are of hearing about putting fucking Rethuglicans on the ticket! Your post has been done, redone, and overdone, and if you'd been paying any attention (or tried something like the nifty search function), you would know that.

:banghead:

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[newmajority]

14. FUCK that election stealing republican criminal bastard.

Seriously. The Hagel shilling is so over the top lately, I'm starting to miss the PUMAbots!

[TheDonkey]

16. Won't happen but he'll likely be in the cabniet

Hagel is just not going to reverse all his many conservative positions to run for VP. Obama will only pick a democrat.

[JerseygirlCT]

17. Oh good grief, what is it with you people?

HAGEL IS A RIGHT WING NUTJOB.

A radical conservative. Virulently anti-woman. Anti-environment. In fact, anti just about anything the Democratic party stands for.

There is no need for Obama to prove he can work with all sorts of people - he already does it. Watch him do it now, as he tours the world.

Hagel is unacceptable. Totally, completely, unacceptable. If you think differently, you simply have not bothered to look at the man's record.

[vaberella]

19. I thought there was an end to this. We've established in the past 10 threads on Repubs and Obama

ticket...no repubs will have Obama's back. He's choosing a Dem, end of story.

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[Sparkly]

21. A "Democrat Hagel"

is still a Republican.

[Duder]

22. Nope...

Appeals to : Veterans, crossover Republicans, bipartisanship buffs.

Alienates: Israel supporters, low-information voters who don't want a 19th century German philosopher a heartbeat away from the presidency.

Risk factor: How does Obama run with a right-wing Republican who disagrees with him on nearly everything?

Bottom line: Would be very tricky — what if Obama dies and an anti-abortion, tax-cuts-for-the-rich-loving, global-warming skeptic is suddenly president?

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-chait7-2008jul07-b,0,4819917.htmlstory">Obama's veepstakes

[ruggerson]

23. I remember reading Hegel in college. Wasn't he the father of phenomenology?

[readmoreoften]

31. No that's Husserl

Hegel is the father of Dialectics.
Hagel is a Republican whose name rhymes with bagel.

[wisteria]

24. No. I respect Hagel, but he would be second in line and if anything ever happened to Obama

we would have a Republican president. Hagel shares one opinion with us- the Iraq War.

[Cosmocat]

35. Agreed ...

I like Hagel a lot, actually ...

But, as many have noted, he is a REAL hard line conservative ... While I like a lot of the truer conservervative positions he holds tight to, you have a lot of the "bad" in the platform that he has towed the line for a long time ...

It WOULD be a thumb in the eye of the "base" and really would not do much to get indy's/Rs on board ... Chuck Hagel is not even close enough to being dynamic enough to bring over even the least brainwashed RWF, and it won't be that big of a deal to Indy's given the IMAGE of McCain as being a moderate already ...

[cliffordu]

25. Why does this read like a press release??

[paulk]

26. maybe you could talk him into joining the Green Party

btw, you running again this year?

You probably won't have the success you've had in the past - you know, helping the Republican get elected and all...

And I'm sure you're aware that putting a right winger like Hagel on the Democratic ticket would peel off a lot of votes from the left - some of them might even vote Green.

That's your object here, isn't it?

[KingFlorez]

27. He doesn't need Hagel to win

And Hagel doesn't belong on the ticket, he's a typical Republican.

[saltpoint]

28. I don't think Hagel helps Obama as much as Obama's choosing a Democrat

would, no matter the specific set of criteria that Democrat might meet.

Good on energy, since it is a front-and-center issue; ditto the economy; ditto foreign relations generally and the Middle East especially; and health care and education, the two issues that drive a lot of us to the polls.

God forbid anything should happen to a President Obama, I'd want as liberal a Democrat as possible to step in for all the future judicial appointments.

Hagel's stand against Bush on Iraq was noble and clear-headed, but after that one issue, there's a shap drop-off.

I think Obama picks a blue veep.

[quakerboy]

29. Obama-Cheney

Sure, Hagel is a "Republican". Or so he says. But who is more Republican than Mr Richard Cheney.

Imagine the Sublimely Bold and Dramatic Impact if republican VP Dick Cheney announced he was switching parties and becoming a Democrat- And Obama Picks Cheney as the VP Nominee.

What A display of Initiative and Momentum, Of Excitement and Innovation. A full change of direction. What could possibly be more indicative of a "new" kind of Politics than bringing The Most Liberal Senator, one who his opponent claims might even be a Socialist, and the Epitome of the Dark side, who's opponents claim might even be a fascist, together on one ticket.

With a Pick like that, Obama demonstrates his ability to work with literally anyone. It shows an amazing amount of strength and confidence. It means that he can win the 19% right wing that no democrat has been able to touch.

One Ticket to rule them all, one Ticket to find them, one Ticket to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them.

OBAMA/CHENEY 08

[Sensitivity]

30. Is this a Joke? ? Haven't you heard it is better to LOOSE with HILLARY than WIN with HAGEL??

Just like the Edwards lobby insisted on going for the gold with Kerry/Edwards that TAKING the gold with Kerry/Clark.

We want OUR favorites. Who cares about the nation. Esp any &(*&%&$ Pukes.

[rucky]

32. Please stop. n/t

[rox63]

33. Just say no to repukes on the Dem ticket

:puke:

[FreepFryer]

34. NO REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES ON THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TICKET - CAPICHE? (n/t)

[mtnester]

36. He is not a Democrat, he won't be a Democrat, he will remain a Republican

and the answer is NO...take away his stance on the war and he is as bad as McCain.

No no and no...and advocating for a Republican on this board violates some rules...hypothetical gets you ZIP...the man IS a REPUBLICAN



edit - spelling error only

[Rowdyboy]

37. I prefer Obama/Gingrich....If you want a Republican why not get the real thing?

[bdamomma]

38. I wonder if Obama would consider Reed as his VP

but I think Reed is happy being Senator and he is up for re election for RI. That's my Senator.