The thing that gets me about Iraq is

[Quixote1818]

sooner or later we need to leave and whenever we do, eventually the country is going to do its own thing. For all we know, five years from now they will elect another nut or another nut will forcefully take the country and nothing much will have changed. Thats pretty much what tends to happen in the Middle East. Sure, if we want to sink 50 Trillion into a 100 year occupation we might be able to help turn it into a reasonable country, maybe. However, in 20 years Oil may not be worth squat and we would abandon it anyway. There are too many factions that are going to fight for power once we leave, unless we keep paying them off to stand down. Eventually however, they will use that money to kill someone and we will be holding the receipt as in all the other wars that have been taking place in the Middle East over the years.

As far as I am concerned, can we just tell the soldiers to pick up there shit and leave now? Fuck the serge, it just cost us another 1,000 soldiers and another few billion. What a fucking waste of money and lives. No John McCain, you were wrong about the surge. It just prolonged the agony of a bunch of soldiers and cost us more fucking money. What a fucking waste and it probably wouldn't have had to happen if John McCain hadn't been pushing for it CONSTANTLY until Bush decided to use the idea so he could hand this quagmire off to the next president. Otherwise we would have followed the advise of the Iraq study group and done the time table a long time ago. Fuck YOU John McSame! You fuck up with your fucking disastrous serge!

[Olney Blue]

1. Hand off of the quagmire- you are so right.

[MadMaddie]

2. All we have to do is look at Vietnam....we left Vietnam

and the Country warred with itself...Vietnam is a powerhouse in textiles and other industries....

McCain refuses to look at Vietnams history....

The area where Iraq is has been fraught with wars from the beginning of time....they will survive and rebuild again, and they can do it withought US interference.

It's interesting the Rethuglicans don't believe in Government interference when helping American citizens, but they feel it is their duty to interfere in other countries business.

[Quixote1818]

3. The Middle East seems more complicated than Vietnam to me

because everyone is going to fight over the oil when we leave. Whether we leave now or in 10 years they are going to have a survival of the fittest battle. Hopefully I am wrong and they will work things out.

[MadMaddie]

4. That region formally known as Messopatania...fought amongst

themselves before Oil was discovered, they were warring tribes. Churchill after WWII cobbled Iraq together and his memoirs state that that was his biggest blunder.

I can't find the link I used to have of the history of the region.....but this too shall pass....American troops are only delaying the inevitable (not our troops fault)

[unhappycamper]

8. Here's a pretty good book on how the current boundaries in the mideast came to be:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51WTTN0D98L._SL500_BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg

[MadMaddie]

9. Thanks! I will add that to my reading List.....which keeps

longer and longer.:hi:

[spag68]

5. I don't see why they have to take anything out

Screw it, take munitions and weapons, leave all vehicles, trucks and anything else needed to get to Kuwait right there. All the equipment is ruined by all those years in the desert, they have sand there don't you know? Sand and wind will render almost anything useless in a few years. Just get the men out, ASAP.

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. So, what's your take on moving them over to Afghanistan?

[Quixote1818]

7. To be honest, I think that is a waste of time, money and lives too.

We should get out and try to take out terrorist camps with missiles and special ops. If the gov starts to give them cover we blow up their government buildings.