I Just Googled "Puma"

[WeDidIt]

It was beautiful, man.

For a "growing movement" of "anti-Obama Democrats", not one of their stinking pages showed up on the first page of results from Google.

And none of their pages showed up on the second page of results, either, just a YouTube link to a Fox NEws interview and nothing more.

Millions strong my ass.

[cali]

1. They're irrelevant and pathetic dead enders.

And their "movement" is a complete failure. Assholes one and all.

[RC]

2. And so you post "Puma" here and now everyone will have to go check it out.

Wonderful. Free advertising and a Google boost.

[Skittles]

3. everyone?

it doesn't sound remotely interesting to me

[WeDidIt]

6. Yeah, a Google boost

for large cat and running shoes.

[unapatriciated]

11. I will resist googling it....

I already knew that it was just a few and one of their founding members is really a McCain supporter in disguise.

The majority of Clinton supporters are on board with Obama.

[rox63]

4. Did you get pages about large cats and sneakers instead?

[WeDidIt]

5. Yup

And I clicked on 'em. too.

:evilgrin:

[laststeamtrain]

7. I would NEVER google a puma. It just sounds too dirty, even for me. n/t

[AZSlacker]

8. I hear a Puma is a failed Cougar, due to exceedingly poor personal hygiene

[LiberalFighter]

9. Barney goes after Cougars even though he barely survives the sex.

[newmajority]

20. Can you blame him?

I mean, can you imagine what it must feel like to be Chimpy's dog?



Poor Barney :evilfrown:

[LiberalFighter]

29. I was referring to an episode on "How I Met Your Mother"

Barney beds a much older woman who is Marshall's professor to help him get a better grade.

He refers to her as a cougar.

[Gman]

10. This doesn't change the fact that if Obama wants to win, he picks Hillary for VP

a simple political fact that too many here can't handle. They'll drag Obama down no matter what the consequences of an Obama loss.

[AtomicKitten]

12. Fact? Nah, it's fiction perpetrated by those that can't digest a primary loss

and feel they must project their disappointment onto others. Clearly you think she should be rewarded for the godawful campaign she ran, but I assure you he will not put in place as VP someone that invoked such ugliness as racism and assassination. Her tactics are old school; Obama is the future.

Obama is crushing McBush electorally. All by his lonesome. Thanks for your concern.

[RedShoes]

21. so what if he DOES ask her? Will you still support the nominee? eom

[newmajority]

35. You know, Elvis Costello isn't the only one who wore "red shoes"

just sayin'.......

[Name removed]

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[Zhade]

52. Yep. Poll after poll shows HE DOESN'T NEED HER.

Which is pretty awesome!

[snooper2]

17. VP really doesn't make a difference in Presidential campaigns..

Well known fact...

Oh, you'll have hoopalaalalala on all the cable whore shows for a full week...but that will be it.

The first debate between Obama and McWobble is what I'm looking forward to !




GOBAMA!

[Goblinmonger]

19. Wow, a "fact" no less.

How about the fact that if McIdiot keeps up with the Iraq/Pakistan border nonsense through the debates, he will be beat worse than Mondale (OK, probably not that badly, but you get the point).

[mrreowwr_kittty]

23. I've personally seen polls that show she hurts his chances. Badly.

All over the country and especially with independents. In some places he loses as much as 20 points if she's on the ticket.

[muryan]

28. Absolutely wrong

Obama wins by increased dem turnout and depressed GOP turnout. Thats the reality as it is now, and its the reason why colorado, iowa, and new mexico are blue states this time around. Its also the reason why some red states are leaning Obama. With Hillary on the ticket, you can count on high GOP turnout and then you are pigeon-holed into the same strategy that has lost us the last two elections.

[LanternWaste]

39. Rather, a simple political opinion.

"...simple political fact that too"

Rather, a simple political opinion. Unless of course you hold to some device that allows you absolute prognostication in all things political...

Hey-- I'd like to see Sen. Clinton as Obama's running mate also. But for me to state as absolute and as fact that it would clinch a win or a defeat for him in doing so would only be hubris on my part...

[iconicgnom]

43. Fact? Hillary's personal campaign is over for '08. The news cycle has moved on. It's all Obama now

[Zhade]

51. mcLame plays two videos: Tuzla, and her endorsement of him over Obama.

The first easily proves clinton a liar, the second (already being used in mcLame campaign ads) undercuts the ticket.

Obama's not stupid. She'll never see the inside of the White House again, unless it's as a guest or on a tour.

[mrs_p]

13. i hope the links

on the first page were for real pumas - felis concolor. it is such a shame that they have usurped this animal's common name.

[Clark2008]

14. Such vicious things

[LWolf]

15. I have a lot of respect for pumas, and I think you should lay off.

;)

Several years back my class collected cans and bottles, turned them in for the deposit, and used the money to "adopt" this puma, and we've never regretted it:



We were the "pumas," (our school mascot,) so it seemed appropriate.

I like pumas better than I like many people. They don't form gangs, bully other gangs, or engage in hate. They usually prefer to stay unnoticed, and only prey on others to eat.

I like that there aren't that many of them, relatively speaking. The planet would be in better shape if the humans didn't outnumber the pumas.

I'd rather see us celebrate pumas, rather than legitimizing the use of their name by a group of people, or spending time hating other groups of people.

I find that particular group to be somewhat hypocritical; they're not "anti-obama," they're "pro-hillary." As if there's no other options for those who ARE "anti-obama." A group whose vision is that limited is going nowhere. Why let them usurp "pumas" by legitimizing their existence? I think you do so every time you google them or bring them up.

Let's talk about REAL pumas:

[Marrah_G]

16. I really like the bottom picture.

[LWolf]

33. Magnificent, isn't it?

Of course, a captive puma is diminished, isn't it? The Moonridge Zoo, in Big Bear, CA, generally takes animals that can't be rehabilitated into the wild for whatever reason. Only a few of their animals didn't come from the wild to begin with; zoo overflows that needed a home. They are a small facility focused on native animals that can't be rehabilitated, and on public education about them.

One of the things I remember from my visits there are the eagles; every eagle was disabled, either by powerlines or gunshot.

[DevonRex]

25. So beautiful. Thank you for posting the pictures. Did you see

the little one up top somewhere? Adorable.

[LWolf]

32. I did see that.

Deceptively adorable, lol.

While I admire them tremendously, I don't think I'd want to "cuddle." ;)

[DevonRex]

47. I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to resist it. So maybe it's best if

I never see one face to face. Although we do hike a lot and there are lots of them here. And where there's a cute baby, there's a mad, mad mama nearby.

[LWolf]

49. Very true.

Angry moms are probably the most lethal force on earth. ;)

[dsomuah]

18. You google puma and you get the animal and the sportwear company.

THOSE are the relevant pumas.

[madfloridian]

22. Go to the google blog search.

Do the same search there by relevance and by date.

[mathewsleep]

24. puma?

is this some racist play on the "black panthers"?

[DevonRex]

26. No. Party Unity My Ass.

[a la izquierda]

27. those P.U.M.A.s should be attacked by the real things.

that'd be fun to watch.:popcorn:

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

[DevonRex]

30. LOL. Evil humor is fun sometimes. And this is one of those

times.

We have lots of real pumas here in Colorado. I'm sure we could work something out...

:evilgrin:

[depakid]

34. Outside the paranoia of this board (and a few other sites) no one knows who this "group" is

Hence the Google results.

[mkultra]

36. well, if you check hillaryclintonforum.net

you can see that about half of the PUMAs talk fondly of fox news and free republic.

[depakid]

37. I don't pay them any mind

If they didn't exist, Republicans and their corporate media sycophants would have created them. In fact, that's probably been the deal all along.

[mkultra]

40. its pretty clearly fly paper for the stupid

that's what im implying.

[FVZA_Colonel]

41. Considering that they keep on claiming all these breaking stories about Obama delegates switching to

Clinton, you'd think they'd be higher up in the viewing chain.

[PatGund]

42. They're convinced it's going to happen.......

All they need to do is show the delegates:

1) Michelle Obama's "Whitey" video
2) Barack Obama's fake birth certificate
3) The $10 million they contributed to pay down Sen. Clinton's campaign debt.

Once they do all that, all they have to do is get together with Bigfoot and Elvis, sprinkle magic pixie dust over the delegates, and "poof!" All will be sweetness and light and sunshine happy ponies in PUMAland

[PatGund]

38. They're starting to implode finally......

And every single slander they throw keeps getting debunked.

Now it looks like their claim of raising $10 million to help retire Sen. Clinton's campagin debt is....well.....bull.

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/07/21/hillary-tells-puma-no-deal/#comments

So not only did the PUMAs lie about that "$10 million raised", (no surprise), but now instead of "Rise Hillary Rise", it's more and more looking like the PUMA mantra is "Throw the bitch under the bus" when it comes to Sen. Clinton.

I expected it would. It was, despite their pity party claims, never about Sen. Clinton losing the nomination. It was about the hatred for Sen. Obama. Nothing else.

How else can they believe the constant stream of lies, myths, and distortions they spew. No myth too out there, no slander too great. From allegations of fake birth certificates, to being a stealth Muslim with a crazy Christian pastor. From video tapes that will show up "any day now, no, really, we mean it this time", to wanted con-men claiming gay sex.

Not to mention the "support all women, unless they're that crazy Obama bitch" thing.

The DNC complaints are just the latest cover for what it really is. Blind hatred.

[LostinVA]

44. It's a GOP front group and has nothing to do with Senator Clinton and her real supporters

I didn't even know what the hell it was until I read about it on here.

The irony here is that many DUers of all stripes were crying,"party unity my ass" daily during the primaries (ie "I'm not voting if Clinton/Obama/Edwards/Mercer wins -- The DNC isn't guaranteed my vote!").

[AtomicKitten]

45. Really? Is that why DU'ers crossposting on caphill promote PUMA and No We Won't?

[newmajority]

50. Case in point

http://capitalhillforum.com/topic/452099/1/#new

Some of those folks have eaten the pizza already, and deservedly so. But their names should be familiar enough to most on this board.

[PatGund]

53. Wow......

Yeah, more than slightly familar.

And if I can recommend a site to get the taste of half-baked PUMA out of your mouth....

http://www.yestodemocracy.com/

[MaraJade]

56. I read these posts. . .

and I can find nothing bad in them other than the fact that these people were Hillary supporters. Frankly,
the PUMAs are nothing but disaffected Hillary supporters who feel severly disrespected by arrogant Obama
supporters. But I also understand that those of us who supported Hillary must now be punished for exercising
our legal franchise. Such is the belief of those who support Mr. Obama. All who did not fall in line must
now be "taught a lesson" for our exercise of freedom of choice.

I can understand how PUMAs feel. I, too, have been severely mistreated by Obama followers. I have been told that
I (and all of my issues) are irrelevant, stupid, meaningless. How would you Obama people feel if someone
told YOU that YOU are NOTHING, no one important, no one worth caring about, no one worth listening to.

Think for a moment, people. Think about this, please.

Why in the worlds is it now a crime to have been a Hillary supporter? Why do Obama supporters want Hillary
to simply fade away forever? Why do Obama supporters keep on
saying that Hillary should have abandoned her supporters way back in February (which would have disenfranchised
millions of people, including me)? Why do they keep saying that
she should drown in the Primary debt? Why do they have the temerity to believe that we Hillary supporters
should not help her get out of debt and that we should give all of our money to Obama without helping Hillary
out of the trouble she is in? Why are we being told that we are fools to have believed in her in the first place?

I tend to think it's because of the whole "messianic" thing, that Obama is a gifted speaker, is good-looking and
is somehow believed to be the Second Coming of Kennedy or (GASP) Christ Himself. I am, frankly, frightened by
the Cult of Personality that has sprung up around Obama. We are stupid to have not seen the sainthood of Mr. Obama
in the first place and now we must pay for it. Revenge must be taken upon us because we did not see the light.

It feels and sounds like the Inquisition. We are heretics and we must pay for not toeing to the "true belief."

I was around when Kennedy was elected and I am sorry to disappoint all of
you young folks, but Obama (nice guy that he is) is DEFINITELY NO JOHN KENNEDY. Not by a long shot. I don't think
that Obama could have handled the Bay of Pigs incident. Nope--not at all. You see, talking diplomacy would not
have worked to prevent nuclear war at that time. Only a show of strength by a real FIGHTER would have worked,
and Mr. Kennedy, seasoned by his service in WWII was equal to the task. Mr. Kennedy did not waste his time trying
to talk Khrushchev out of anything, and that's what we need now. The Obama presidency will not be Camelot, make no
mistake about that. Obama is no King Arthur by any stretch of the imagination.

At any rate, the person that is the next President has a VERY TALL ORDER to fill. We are now beset by
a series of crises that can bring this nation down, and take much of the world down the drain as well. We are facing
a Worldwide FAIL that will rival and maybe even surpass the Great Depression. This winter will reveal the true
scope of the disaster. Whomever is President must hit the ground running to address the problems HERE IN THE UNITED STATES,
not elsewhere in the world. Mere nice rhetoric WILL NOT BE ENOUGH to get us out of the deep trouble we are in. Discussing
things will not work at this point. The next President must be a FIGHTER, not a LOVER. If the next President resorts to
stupid stuff that compromises the middle class in this nation, that hurts older folks, ignores the needs of women,
that exchanges "a little liberty for a little safety"
or walks around the kitchen table issues that effect the working class, disaster is certain to result. Things are
going to get ugly people, and the next President must be willing to FIGHT for the people, not just talk things out.
Like FDR, that person must be willing to stab and slaughter every single sacred cow without exception, including all
corporate, economic and big business sacred cows. Having a President who is a fresh face and a "rock star" will not
help us now. Having a President who fights for ALL of the people (not just the young ones) is what we must have.

Youth and newness and change is nice, but change simply for the sake of change is useless. What are we changing into?
Right now, I have no idea, and that is the problem. Older folks like me are still left wondering. We don't see the beef
here. And it is very foolish to dismiss our doubts. There are, after all, millions of us. Can Mr. Obama afford to lose
our votes?

It has not helped to see Mr. Obama backpedaling on his promises to stop pandering to special interest groups and lobbyists. To see him hiring economic advisors whose philosophies support the current financial crises, and to see him supporting the failure to hold telecommunication companies responsible for privacy violations under FISA is more than troubling. His lackluster fund-raising
to help Hillary get out of debt is sickening. Everything that I have seen recently has caused me to lose confidence. And
having some people arrogantly tell me that I am nothing, nobody and irrelevant is . . .way over the top for absolute rudeness and
incivility.

People need to remember WHY there are PUMAs in the first place. People feel that they are being ignored and treated unfairly.
Dismissing these people as nut cases or Repuke plants outright is foolish at best; ignoring these people is very dangerous, and failing to reach out to them is both arrogant and stupid.

Why are the PUMAs angry? Does anyone know the real reason? I venture that no one here knows at all, but
they are simply easy targets for vitriol. It is easier to ignore and name-call than to understand those who disagree.
After all, "everyone" should simply fall into line behind Obama. Never mind
that your issues have been abandoned or trashed. Just shut up and fall in line.

Do you know for absolutely CERTAIN that only a very small number of people is involved with the PUMAs? Do you have
absolute proof? Assumption is dangerous.
Winning or losing the GE can be determined by only a handful of votes. It is the height of hubris to tell any voter that
they are "not needed," and even worse to call them "republican plants." Childish and foolish.

Peace needs to be made here.

Only FOOLS fight in a burning house, and the three alarmer is happening NOW.

And. . .as Jesus said (and Lincoln quoted) "A house divided against itself
cannot stand." Wasn't it Benjamin Franklin who said that we must "hang together or we will most assuredly
hang separately?" The vilification of Hillary and her followers MUST STOP NOW. Continuing to trash Hillary,
to say that she shouldn't be VP, to keep on saying that "Bill will be on the ballot" or some other garbage
is not only foolish, it is driving thousands of people away. The anger is increasing out there folks, and
some of the angry ones do have the power to sabotage stuff for Obama.

Is Mr. Obama willing to lose hundreds of thousands or millions of votes? Based on what you people keep saying, it
seems that he is. We are useless and we should just go away. Is that what Obama wants? Does he want us to go away?
Believe me, we certainly will if this stupid trashing does not stop.

For the Obama half of Dem's to continue to denigrate Hillary supporters is dangerous. Thousands of people are already alienated.
There is a lot of anger out there, believe me, and Obama will suffer for it.
This is not some High School polarization of jocks and geeks. This is not a schoolyard King of the Hill battle,
and it is not a juvenile popularity contest. School's out, people--this is real life and burning bridges can come back
to haunt you. As the old saying goes "chances go round--the same people you passed on the way up must be passed on the
way down."

We need to come together in true respect and true fellow feeling
or we will definitely fail in the future. We must hang together or hang separately.
This infighting, hatred, incivility and DISRESPECT must be ended now or
else. . .

[TheKentuckian]

57. brensgrrl, many that have less than favorable

opinions on Hillary Clinton, her campaign, and certainly the PUMA types, that are not necessarily big Obama fans.

A number of people when faced with the choice between her and Obama, chose Obama because of the way she was running her campaign. Not only the very negative rhetoric and Rovian tactics, but also from a competence standpoint in how she ran her race.

It also should make no difference to a real Democrat and more so as a real American about some slight from a supporter when choosing the leadership of the country. This has become too damn personal for too many. You don't punish Barack Obama when you vote against him, instead you are punishing yourself, our party, the nation, the world, and the future.

If people want to be respected, they need to give respect. Blackmail tactics, strife, and sewing division don't show a whole lot or respect.

It should also at least be mentioned that it is bad form to make this kind of stink and have no major platform debate. There are no dropped issues, other than electing Senator Clinton.

I'm sorry you and others are upset and disappointed but we honestly have much bigger fish to fry. This country is in trouble and we are dangerously close to digging a deeper hole. You, me, the country, the world, nor all of our children can afford more neocon deconstruction of The American Dream over some internet banter.

How any one can see what these people have done to our country over the better part of a generation and even have the slightest care about petty nonsense is way beyond me. The stakes are way to high. McCain is poison, the Republican are enemies to the basic concepts of freedom, liberty, and self determination. How can you even think about throwing the entire world away over this nonsense?

[Arkansas Granny]

58. I, too, understand how the PUMA's feel, even though I have chosen to support

Senator Obama in the GE. Neither he nor Senator Clinton was my first choice, but I had decided from the very beginning that I would vote for the Democratic nominee, regardless who that might be.

After Senator Obama was declared the presumptive nominee this forum took on the flavor of a witchhunt and several Clinton supporters and longtime posters were banned (no criticism of admins or mods intended). There were others who left of their own accord rather than be subjected to the constant barrage of insults directed at them and Senator Clinton.

It seemed that the calls for party unity from Obama supporters were more of a demand that everyone swear some sort of loyalty oath and to immediately and enthusiastically align themselves with the Obama camp, never mind how they had been treated in the past by other posters in this forum. Many of Senator Clintons supporters were able to make the switch, others were not.

I realize that many feel that this GE will be a landslide for Obama, but we've felt sure of victory before and been disappointed. I think the outcome will be closer than many suspect and that we will need the votes of every Democrat in order to win.

[SoFlaJet]

48. Agreed LiVa

I was reading an article on some site and the comments were the dead giveaway when the (supposed) Pumas refer to our party as the democrat party

[sniffa]

46. .

[theantipuma]

54. try this

you should google "The Anti-PUMA"
;)

[Drunken Irishman]

55. Who'll be sadder on election night, McCain or PUMA supporters?

:D

[greguganus]

59. Is there a difference? n/t

[PatGund]

60. Well, not that there's a practical difference....

But the blind hatred of the PUMA's will mean they'll be ballistic with white-hot rage.

You have to understand with PUMAs, it's no longer about Sen. Clinton. They're happily throwing her under the bus for the crime of endorsing Sen. Obama.

It's all about the Obama hatred. Nothing else matters. No slander too low, no lie too great. You disprove a lie, they just move on to the next.

It's blind hatred, that's all.