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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 01:25 PM
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Just when you thought the media couldn't go any lower...they've come up with a new angle on race.
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 01:25 PM by AZBlue
...But there are others who warn that an Obama presidency could hurt African-Americans. They say that an Obama victory could cause white Americans to ignore entrenched racial divisions while claiming that America has reached the racial Promised Land.

(snip)

Yet there are a few political commentators who warn African-Americans that an Obama victory could be twisted to suppress the push for racial equality. Most of these commentators are African-American but they also include white, Latino and conservative pundits.

These commentators say that there is a subliminal appeal to Obama's presidential candidacy that has been ignored. Obama doesn't just represent change -- he represents atonement for America's ugly racial past for others, they say.

Steve Sailer, a columnist for The American Conservative magazine, wrote last year that some whites who support Obama aren't driven primarily by a desire for change.

They want something else Obama offers them -- "White Guilt Repellent," he wrote.

"So many whites want to be able to say, 'I'm not one of them, those bad whites. ... Hey, I voted for a black guy for president,' " Sailer wrote.

Sailer cited another reason why many whites want Obama as president:

"They hope that when a black finally moves into the White House, it will prove to African-Americans, once and for all, that white animus isn't the cause of their troubles. All blacks have to do is to act like President Obama - and their problems will be over."

Glen Ford, executive editor of the online journal blackagendareport.com, offered some white Americans a free solution to the race problem: "Millions of whites came to believe Obama could solve the 'race problem' by his mere presence, at no cost to their own notions of skin privilege," Ford wrote in an essay in January.

Other African-American commentators say the "post-racial" tag attached to Obama could be used to dismiss legitimate black grievances.

(snip)

Electing a black president does not mean that America is ready to take on systemic racism, Gillespie says.

"A rising tide doesn't lift all boats," Gillespie says. "Just because he gets elected doesn't mean the lives of poor black people are automatically going to improve."

It could actually get worse for poor African-Americans, she says.

"People could say if Barack can succeed and someone can't get off of the stoops in the hood, it's their fault and it has nothing to do with systemic racism," Gillespie says.

D. Yobachi Boswell, a blogger for Black Perspective.net, wrote in January that the prospect of Obama victory was making African-Americans politically passive.

He wrote that too many African-Americans were "doping ourselves up on the euphoric opium" of a black president while forgetting "we need fundamental change, not just Negroes in high places."

Boswell says he's concerned that an Obama presidency would discourage African-Americans from keeping leaders accountable.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/22/obama.hurt.blacks/index.html


Now, while I think that some of these comments are valid in and of themselves, the overall tone of "voting for Obama is bad for black people" is just another version of racism that this media embraces. I don't see how a black president won't bring the issue of racism in America to the forefront of discussion and finally allow us to deal with this issue honestly so we can all move on - equally.
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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 01:27 PM
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1. I do worry about that myself. Many white people will tell themselves that we have transcended racis
when Obama is elected. That is why we all need to remain diligent when he is elected. It won't wipe out racism by any stretch of the imagination. Yes, the media are morons are always negative spinning, but this is honestly something I've been worried about since he became the nominee.
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 01:43 PM
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6. I also agree. There will be a backlash.
I've seen some talk from non-blacks who oppose Obama that beleive his election will be proof that we have achieved true equality. They'll then want affirmative action to be repelead and for all us blacks to "stop whining".

Its dangerous talk and I DO feel that if Obama wins, there will be greater resentemnt towards minorities by those who already harbor racist feelings.

Definitely something we sould keep our eye on, but again, no reason to not vote for Obama.

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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 02:50 PM
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15. Wow. How sad and scary.
Maybe I'm just not in touch with enough bigots (thank goodness!) but it baffles me that anyone would think that. Because for me, although I'm the furthest thing from a racist, the discussion of race that's been brought up due to Obama's campaign was a bit of an eye-opener - I hadn't realized to what extent racism still existed. So, now that I see it, I am glad that this is finally front and center and can be addressed - as it should have been all along. Maybe I'm just being a pollyanna, but I'm encouraged by the discussions that have ensued and yes, I plan to stay on top of it.

As for those who already harbor racist feelings, well, unfortunately there's not much that can be done about them except to educate them. Some will realize they are wrong, some will never change. But I still believe that's a small minority of Americans - I think Americans need to be more aware of race issues and we still have steps to take but that the majority want race relations to be good and equal and discrimination finally a thing of the past.
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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 03:12 PM
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21. not so much about 'feelings' but about the institutional injustices that will take a long time to
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 03:14 PM by BklynChick
be eliminated.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:17 PM
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25. Ah - gotcha.
I'm disappointed this still exists, but inspired to end it now.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 01:48 PM
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7. The fact is, however, that those who would say that are already saying
it, pointing to the various black politicians and other black leaders, Condi, Colin Powell, hell, Morgan Freeman and Will Smith, for that matter - if THEY can do it, obviously ANYONE can do it! Which is nonsense. A black president doesn't make that argument any more valid than it currently is.

The day that Shaniqua's job resume gets the same consideration as Christine's, THEN we will have transcended rascism.
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 01:52 PM
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8. LOL (the last line of your post). Agreed. n/t
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 01:52 PM by elkston
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 01:54 PM
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11. Very good! K&R on your last line. nt
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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 03:16 PM
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22. there was an actual study done on this very topic, just one of the many reminders that racism is
still very much alive in america. :(
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 02:34 PM
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14. Oh, I think it will mark a major milestone for us.
No one can argue that. The first black man elected to the highest office in the land? Yeah, that's huge for race relations.

But it doesn't fix everything, and I think the folks whose opinions matter will realize that.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 03:01 PM
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19. Yes, we must remain diligent.
And use this as a means to bring about change, not an end to it!
Maybe I'm just naive - I really thought this would be a no-brainer.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 01:30 PM
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2. How is registering in record numbers and volunteering at the grassroots level, "politically passive"
I call bullshit.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 01:34 PM
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3. Steve Sailer... The American Conservative magazine...
That explains the odor emanating from this piece.:eyes:
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 01:35 PM
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4. Oh right, electing a black US president will hurt
black US citizens. Just like electing a woman president will hurt women, and of course we all know how badly all those old white men were hurt by electing old white men to the presidency.
:sarcasm:


Now true, the bush has hurt the image and prestige of old white men but he was never elected.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 01:36 PM
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5. CNN will say anything
Hell, the whole sorry lot of the TV "news" entities will say anything.

They'd pretty much be relegated to a laughing stock (or recognized as a Tabloid) by most folks overseas.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 01:53 PM
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9. I think it's a good article, with two problems.
It's not arguing against an Obama presidency, it's pointing out that race problems won't vanish or be proven vanished just because Obama is elected. It argues that some white people will use an Obama victory to declare all race issues settled so they can get back to their racist jokes and discriminatory hiring and business practices.

A couple of points I don't agree with. First, I don't think an Obama victory is going to make African Americans more complacent. Quite the opposite--it might give them hope that their public efforts will actually yield positive results.

Second, and bigger, I don't like the way it overplays the whole "White Guilt/White Absolution" angle. While I'm sure there are some voters who see Obama that way, either as a chance for absolution, or more often a proof to the world that they themselves aren't racist despite other evidence ("I'm not racist, I voted for a president who happens to be black," will replace "some of my best friends are black"), that's not a significant part of his appeal. He's earning votes the old-fashioned way. But that whole white guilt angle gives commentators like Limbaugh and O'Reilly and every other MSM personality the excuse to dismiss Obama. "He's only popular because he's black," is how they will say it (are already saying it). In that way, they will dismiss him and all his supporters and give their own followers another excuse to indulge in their own racist proclivities.

So that bothers me, but that's not the intent of the article, and it will happen anyway. Other than that, the article makes good points.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 02:57 PM
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16. Anyone who thinks that race problems disappear with an African-American president is dreaming.
Maybe there are some out there who think that, but they are going to be sadly awoken next year. Actually, NO problem this nation currently faces is going to disappear. What will happen is that we will finally be given the chance to address these problems and improve the situation, including racism.

I agree that the emphasis on "white guilt" is an unnecessary slant and GOP talking points. I guess maybe I'm more cynical when it comes to our media - I read the article and felt that was really their point: we can dismiss (not support) Obama because people are supporting him for inappropriate reasons.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 03:19 PM
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23. But that's what some conservatives argue already
And this will encourage more of the "There's nothing holding them back except themselves" crowd.

You and I and anyone who understands the issue know this isn't true, but you and I both know that there are too many of the others around. Just something else we have to work on once Obama wins.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:23 PM
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26. And that brings up a good point:
Obama himself has said he can't make these changes alone, whether it be racism, economics, health care or the environment. It's up to ALL OF US to participate in our government - that's what democracy is all about.
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President Decider Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 01:53 PM
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10. This just in: Watching Sesame Street causes crack addiction later in life
See how absurd some of these headlines sound?

Goes to show you, the more outragious the storyline, the more the ink flys off the news stands!

Welcome to the Theatre of the Absurd . . .
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 02:58 PM
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17. I hate the media.
A belated welcome to DU!
:hi:
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President Decider Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 03:09 PM
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20. Thanks for the welcome ...
Long time lurker .. rather new to posting.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 02:02 PM
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12. I imagine the answer to that is along the lines of
yeah, well, we're worry about that one when we get to it, ok?

How about we actually elect the guy, and then see if any of this rank speculation holds true?

Sounds like nonsense to me.
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 02:10 PM
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13. sadly, a lot of this may be true
I actually was thinking about this a lot before I even read the article. A lot of whites I know (in North Carolina) say some racist stuff sometimes, and now they are saying things like "I never want to hear black people complaining ever again if Obama becomes President (about racism)".

It will really raise the bar for all blacks.

Still, it doesn't change the fact that everyone needs to vote for him.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 03:00 PM
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18. Wow!
So just because some white folks in this country make lots of money the rest of us who are broke should just STFU? Makes as much sense to me. Sorry to hear you've run into that!
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 04:39 PM
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24. CNN = Say and do anything to stay relevant
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 06:07 AM
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27. I read DUers here parroting this angle - calling for an end to affirmative action for Minorities
they seem to think it's OK for women and poor folks generically, to their credit

so, this IS insidious, because, evidentally, it resonates with SOME democrats as well.
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