Obama more popular among Jews than Lieberman

[Bjorn Against]

Obama more popular among Jews than Lieberman
by MissLaura
Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:40:13 PM PDT

So we can look forward to seeing those media narratives that Obama is in trouble with Jewish voters while Joe Lieberman is their voice in the Senate repudiated, right?

Among the most high-profile Jews in Congress, Lieberman is viewed far more unfavorably than the presumptive Democratic nominee, according to a new poll. Only 37 percent of Jews view the Connecticut Independent in a favorable light compared to 48 percent who have a negative perception. As for Obama, 60 percent of Jews view him favorably while 34 percent view him unfavorably.

The findings were released as part of a recent survey of American Jews by the new progressive pro-Israel group J Street. They seem to upturn some of this year's conventional political wisdom.

The survey does show Obama has room for improvement with Jewish voters, but it's clear that the notion that he's in real trouble there is absurd. As we've said here repeatedly.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/22/125113/754/129/555147

[Deja Q]

1. Pork chops would be more popular among Jews by this point...

[Hippo_Tron]

5. They would be because most Jews in the United States do not keep kosher

[Deja Q]

9. Oh. Well, nobody's perfect...

[Hippo_Tron]

12. I know you didn't mean any harm but I found your comments slightly offensive

Whenever someone makes a remark about Jews not liking ham or pork I find it to be based on an ignorant assumption that most Jews in the United States actually keep kosher. They do not, and that and a lot of other perceptions bother me. Most Jews in the United States follow their religion like most Christians do in that they go to their place of worship once a week and then forget about it for the other 6 days. There are also many of us that only attend services twice a year just like many Christians do only for Christmas and Easter. In our case it's Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashana.

[Indenturedebtor]

11. Hehe true - bacon is just too yummy! And Lieberman can f-off and die. n/t

[Hawkeye-X]

22. I just had beef and shrimp hibachi yesterday and leftovers today.

And yes, I'm Jewish.

[SoCalDem]

2. I am not Jewish, but I think Israel has claimed the image of newness

new country (comparatively speaking)..modern, forward-looking..

They have allowed their right wingers to install hardline OLD guys..for decades..and look at what it's gotten them..endless wars and suicide bombers..

I can't help but to think that the Jewish people might be having second thoughts..thoughts about trying things a new way..Mccain is old school Lieberman is old school..maybe the Jewish people are ready for change too :)

[Demeter]

3. Those I've Known Have Opted to Change Countries

Perpetual war not being conducive to family life.

[SoCalDem]

4. Call me Pollyanna, but if I have been in charge after WWII

I would have given the Jews Poland & Germany, and madee the Nazi-sympathizers move elsewhere..:evilgrin:

[Demeter]

7. Instead, They Gave Those Countries to Stalin

Talk about a bad deal! And then the sympathizers moved to the US or South America.

[Hippo_Tron]

8. Putting the Jewish state in the middle of the Muslim world was just begging for trouble

Churchill knew it was a bad idea when Lloyd George sent him there in the 1921 to handle the logistics. He also knew how dangerous Wahabiism was decades before Al Qaeda existed.

Imagine if the Native Americans had been as well armed as the Europeans were and the Europeans didn't have the smallpox advantage. We'd either have given up trying to colonize the New World or we would still be fighting for it today.

[Hippo_Tron]

6. I'm a Jewish non-zionist which is kind of a hard mold sometimes

Not that I don't think Israel has a right to exist because I believe it does, but my reason has to do with the fact that as a matter of practicality it has been a country for 60 years and not that the Jewish people need to have their own state.

[Indenturedebtor]

10. Zionist or not if we don't have our own state we're dead sooner or later

Almost no one wanted to take Jews in before, during, or after the Holocaust. 2,000 years of massacres weren't stopping under the "old system".

[Hippo_Tron]

13. I don't agree

The United States and the rest of the western world is friendly enough toward Jews that I wouldn't fear our extinction one bit if Israel were gone tomorrow. If I believed otherwise then I would either be a Zionist or suicidal.

[Indenturedebtor]

14. The US was pretty friendly towards Jews before during and after WWII

But still wouldn't take many until after Israel had been established. Unless you were a famous German/Pole/Italian anyways. Bread bakers need not apply.

I don't know that people have changed that much since then. 2,000 years is a long time to just hope that everything has suddenly changed. I've encountered enough anti-semitism and bigotry in my short 28 years to believe that if the shit really hits the fan I could only really count on the Israelis to let me in.

Edited to add - look at the Armenians. There are a lot of them living in Israel because most other countries won't let them in.

[Hippo_Tron]

15. I'm aware that they wouldn't take enough refugees in

And that was one of the biggest mistakes of the FDR/Truman administrations. Israel exists largely because nobody else wanted to take in the Jewish refugees and so again, as a matter of practicality I have no issue with the existence of Israel.

But I do believe that the world (or at least parts of it) has changed fundamentally in the past 60 years and it is a far different place than it was in 1948 and I do believe that 2,000 years of precedent can change in a few decades. Women were subservient to their husbands for pretty much all of human existence but that changed completely in the span of less than a century.

[Indenturedebtor]

18. Look at how many people want to change it back though. n/t

[Hippo_Tron]

19. I wouldn't use "many" to describe those who want to roll back women's rights

Sure there are misogynist assholes just like there are anti-semites. They are a minority and I have no good reason to believe that they will become the majority anytime soon.

[Cha]

20. I hope so..

They need to get on board and lieberman is left at the station.

[Alexander]

16. K&R

[JerseygirlCT]

17. That sure fits with what I know from my own family

No Lieberman love there anymore. And lots and lots of passion toward Obama.

[Zhade]

21. What are Obama's views on Israel's illegal settlements?

Seriously, I don't know.