For all those who think Obama should be doing this or that...

[Drunken Irishman]

Shut it.

I know, it's rude, but c'mon, Obama is winning and why change what's working? If Obama were down 6 or 7 points or McCain was winning these key battle ground states, I would agree a change in course would be needed. However, it's McCain who's in trouble and it's McCain who needs to retool his campaign and its message, not Obama.

So keep the armchair political advising to a minimum and just sit back and relax.

[sniffa]

1. Because, who knows better than anonymous, whiny douchebags on the internets?

Certainly not his paid staff of advisers.

[Drunken Irishman]

3. Exactly.

We're a bunch of dweebs on a message board and I'd wager none of us have successfully ran a presidential campaign.

For all the crap Obama gets here and other places (Taylor Marsh), he seems to be doing well enough.

[Warren Stupidity]

2. I want my damn pony now!

[msongs]

4. mCcain has serious passive/aggessive issues which make him unfit - like to see that mentioned nt

[Cant trust em]

5. Isn't this a discussion board?

People come here to toss out ideas and if we don't like them then we are free to blast them. I don't see anything wrong with people giving opinions.

[depakid]

8. Nah, for some, it's supposed to be an exercise in group think

and a sing along.

[Drunken Irishman]

11. There is a difference between discussion and saying "Obama needs to be doing this and that."

They don't know what they're talking about.

It drives me nuts. And it isn't just DU. I see this shit on sports boards all the time.

"Jerry Sloan needs to be doing this if the Jazz are going to win!"

Hey guess what fucktard, you're not the coach and there is a reason Jerry Sloan is standing on the sidelines coaching and you're stuck at the computer talking about him coaching and that's because HE ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING.

You want to talk about all the Obama campaign faults, well do it when he's actually down in the polls and not winning.

[Cant trust em]

14. Actually I think that the political instincts of many people on this board

are better than some of the paid operatives that we've seen. Particularly since political strategy is many times based on reading the pulse of a nation. This isn't necessarily something you need a masters in Political Science to be attuned to. I do think that the opinions of the netroots are pretty important.

But if your point is that more people should get off of their computers and into the field, then you're right.

[Drunken Irishman]

15. I think people need to realize when it's best to bash and when it isn't.

If Obama were down in the polls and struggling, then I could see going after him and his message, but he isn't. He's winning. Yeah, some feel he should be up by 30 points by now, but even Bill Clinton had a hard time gaining in the pols in 1992. Sometimes, no matter what you think, the climate isn't perfect and it will require work. Obama's campaign is doing what it needs to do without coming off as desperate and mean...like McCain's.

[mugsiewugsie]

21. I agree and disagree

I agree, Drunken Irishman, that Obama's campaign seems to be going just ducky and I think his advisers are doing a top-notch job. But I can't agree that a discussion shouldn't include a poster's suggestions for doing it differently -- even if they are off the mark. What da heck??

[rucky]

6. What'll we talk about, then?

:shrug:

[Beaverhausen]

7. IMHO, Obama should be much farther ahead than the polls indicate

I mean come on, McCain is failing at every turn, yet he seems to be hanging in there.

then again, it's really too early to believe these polls anyway.

I for one however, don't think Obama should go negative- yet. Let his surrogates do it for him.

[Drunken Irishman]

12. Read this, Mrs. Walker.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6538410&mesg_id=6538410

I mapped it out last night. Obama is about where he should be in the polls.

[MoJoWorkin]

9. Agreed!

I am really tired of those who think they know better than Obama and his team, as well.

---Only I can't relax. The media keeps me fuming.

[EV_Ares]

10. Agree; what is there to bitch about? My God, the trip was masterful, look at the nit-picky

things they have to pick about. That proves how great he did on that trip, man if you ever saw a candidate looking presidential, he accomplished that while McCain was back in a German restaurant eating a bratwurst bitching and then riding around in a golf cart in an exclusive residential area, whining and bitching while the rest of America burns, then McCain goes to the cheese section of a supermarket for whatever reason and bitches some more while Barack speaks to thousands of our friends overseas and meets with dignitaries to try and get some respect back for America lost during the Bush/McSame years.

Now, it is come on back home, hit McCain on the economy and show him some stuff and maybe pop him on some of his surely, snarly juvenile asinine attacks.

Great job Barack, you made us all very proud.

[democrattotheend]

13. I disagree

I hate to say it, but 6-7 points is not enough. I am going to get flamed for this, but I recently looked at some data that shows that Obama may not be doing as well as we think. I can't go into details but I think we have to assume that Obama's support in these polls is 10 points lower than what it shows. Not to mention that the Republican smear campaign has not gotten fully underway yet. If you think back to March 4 Obama dropped at least 5 points in the polls in the last 48 hours and then did even worse on Election Day, largely because of the negative ads, and the ads Clinton ran are kid gloves compared to what the Republicans will do. I am so scared that people will plan to vote for Obama 3 days before the election but get skittish about his "inexperience" or get scared by the Republican race-baiting ads and end up voting for McCain because they see him as the safer choice. Obama has run a great campaign and I have never been more excited about voting than I am this November, but I won't rest easy until he has at least a 15-point lead in all the polls. We're in unchartered territory here and I am so proud of my party for taking a risk in order to nominate such a great candidate, but I think we have to acknowledge that it is a risk and take absolutely nothing for granted.

[Drunken Irishman]

16. If you believe this, then you'll probably already concede this race to McCain.

Because what you're suggesting is Obama needs an 11 point lead in the polls to win the election by 1 and I don't think that's going to happen. Obama might expand his lead into double digits, but it won't be a blowout in the popular vote.

[democrattotheend]

17. I believe we can't get complacent

I believe that there are strategists in Washington who think that Obama has it in the bag and want to devote resources to downballot races instead and that's a big mistake. I think those of us who are thinking that are mistaken too. I think Obama can win but anyone who thinks it's going to be easy is deluding themselves. No matter what the polls say I will always view Obama as the underdog because of who he is and the historic nature of his candidacy and the extra obstacles he has to face (the rumors, smear e-mails, racial prejudice, etc). I will not take my eye off the ball and I will not rest until November 4, and I encourage all Democratic activists to have the same mentality.

[Drunken Irishman]

18. I agree with you, it isn't in the bag.

This race is still very much Obama's to lose, however, if it were held today, I think he would win by 6-10 points and that would be enough for a decisive electoral college victory.

But he's winning and what he's doing is obviously working because his numbers in the polls haven't dipped below 45% much, while McCain's numbers seem to be stuck at 41% and he's doing extremely well in many Republican states. Why change what is working?

[movonne]

19. I have a feeling it will be a blowout...

[Drunken Irishman]

20. I think 6-9 point win.

The popular vote won't be a blowout, but the electoral college will.

[LWolf]

22. I don't have much to say about Obama;

if it were up to me he'd be doing a lot of things differently, but it's not.

I don't, though, appreciate you telling me to "shut it."

It's incredibly arrogant, and I'm likely to start some threads about what I think Obama should do, just because YOU TOLD ME NOT TO.