5 Words To Shut Down The Obama SMUT

[rsmith6621]

.....If you hear people whom you know are conservative BUSHLOVIN McSame supporting idiots talking about how Obama doesn't wear a flagpin.....doesn't place his hand over his heart.....is a Muslim......and his middle name starts with an H....just say this back to them......And watch them change the subject quick.

IT'S A BLACK THING RIGHT!!!!


I believe that the above slurs are just ways to tidy up peoples racism....

[Saturday]

1. That's ridiculous. Not every objection to him boils down to race...

and you hurt him by implying it is.

[yardwork]

4. Can you name a reason to prefer McCain to Obama that doesn't boil down to race?

Go ahead. I'm curious to hear.

[hiaasenrocks]

9. You can't think of a reason a conservative would prefer McCain that is not racially motivated?

Are you new to politics?

Why would someone who is opposed to health-care reform vote for Obama? (How is that a race issue?)
Why would someone who is against abortion choice vote for Obama? (How is that a race issue?)
Why would someone who favors staying in Iraq vote for Obama? (How is that a race issue?)

Go ahead and start with those three.

[yardwork]

12. Why would any reasonable person vote for McCain? Do they really think he'll do a good job?

I am not new to politics. Old as the hills, actually. Try on your reasons with a non-racist conservative, and have them consider the alternative.

For instance, how could anyone favor staying in Iraq unless they were racists? Anybody who would take the money (assuming that they are among the few making huge profits from the war) and not care about the hundreds of thousands of dead? How many people would kill hundreds of thousands of people to make a profit? Not that many - unless they didn't care about the dead people because they were brown.

[MonkeyFunk]

14. Umm...

because some people really ARE conservative! And John McCain better represents their views.

I don't know why some here have such a hard time believing that.

[Political Heretic]

18. I'm with you.

I can understand that simple reality.

[yardwork]

23. I disagree, and here's why.

Obama is so moderate, McCain's views really aren't that different when you pull away the insanity and incompetence that McCain brings. Does Obama have a radical approach to changing health care? Sadly, no. Is Obama's approach to Iraq radical? Sadly, no. Anyone with "conservative" views on those two issue will find little to disturb them in Obama's policies.

And look at the flip side. How "conservative" is the Republican Party's approach to fiscal responsibility these days?

Anyone with genuinely conservative views untainted by racism sees that the logical, rational choice is Obama. Any way you look at it unless racism literally colors their views.

[MonkeyFunk]

29. If you're anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-government

then no, Obama is not the rational choice for you.

[Patchuli]

25. But John McCain is a neo-con

not a real conservative. Those people who think he's a better choice better be in the top income earner percentile because otherwise, the screwing will continue. Same shit, different day.

[SwampG8r]

31. actually mccain has never presented himself as a conservative

thats why the gop base isso leery of him
they see him as an old time say anything semi liberal claiming to be one of them
a rockefeller republican if you will
he is not what they wanted at all

that said GOP is just like us many will vote the ticket whoever runs against whoever
but the actual impetus to go to the polls and vote isnt there for real conservative voters

[hiaasenrocks]

28. As bad as it is, some people are actually conservative.

Are there racists? Absolutely.

Is EVERYTHING racist (as you suggest)? Absolutely not.

Again, this kind of crying wolf, so to speak, only diminishes legitimate accusations of racism.

You're grasping at straws here.

[Chloroplast]

17. That may be but for many their main attacks are...

-he's a Muslim
-he's Kenyan
-he pledges allegiance to Africa and the Middle East
-he supports Black theology
-he belongs to a church that hates White people and America
-he's a Communist
-he's a Marxist
-he's a Socialist
-he's from the South Side of Chicago
these attacks are prejudicial and no matter how you try and reason with such people, it's a waste of time. I've had a man that is about 50 years old tell me that I deserve to be spit in the face because I don't think McCain's POW status makes him a better candidate. The same man believed the above with a fervor and I pitied him for lacking the basic skills to be able to find out the truth for himself. It was a very frightening experience and I'm hoping that most McCain supporters aren't so rabid and violent.

[Diamonique]

19. But the OP wasn't referring to people who voice concerns

about Obama's positions on those issues.

It directly referred to people who use those stupid things (flag pin, middle name, etc.) as an excuse.

[MonkeyFunk]

20. But isn't it pretty standard on BOTH sides to dredge up

the stupidest things as excuses for why you don't like someone?

I've seen McCain attacked here numerous times for not being able to comb his own hair or get on the internet. I think those kinds of attacks are just as dumb.

[yardwork]

22. Anybody can be stupid, yes, but the Republicans use it as a campaign culture.

Sure, some anonymous posters on internet boards might say something that you think is dumb (I don't think that pointing out that one of the candidates for president can't use the internet is dumb, though) but the Democrats don't use it as the entire strategy for their campaigns. The Republicans do.

[hiaasenrocks]

27. Read the question I responded to. n/t

[Mika]

2. Racism is how Rove tried to smear McCain in Ga., and it worked. n/t

[bigwillq]

3. Are you serious?

:eyes:

Isn't Obama trying to ease race relations and extend his hand towards all races, cultures and religions? :shrug:

That statement goes against Obama's message, imo.

[yardwork]

5. My understanding of the OP is that the statement would be calling out racism, not encouraging it.

There is no rational reason for anybody to prefer McCain to Obama. Therefore, I'd conclude that anybody who expresses "fear" about Obama because they "heard he's a Muslim" or something like that is really expressing fear of the color of his skin.

I think it would be a good thing to call out the racism when we see it. Let the racists defend their stance.

[POAS]

7. Exactly the way I took it

Only problem is that in some circles they don't bother to hide the racism. They just call it out, "I'll never vote for no damned n****r"!

I, unfortunately, work with several! I just don't bother arguing as I might have done at a younger age. Discussion only works where reason can be invoked over raw emotion. With deep seated racism it is never based on reason!

[bigwillq]

15. I still don't see the OP that way.

But I do understand your very valid point. Thanks. :)

[MonkeyFunk]

21. There's a perfectly rational reason

for preferring McCain over Obama - being a conservative.

Why is it so hard to understand that?

[yardwork]

24. And tell me, how conservative is the Republican Party these days?

Fiscal responsibility? Individual responsibility? Constructionist view of the Constitution? Paying attention to domestic concerns and staying out of foreign entanglements?

How's that working for conservatives these days? Not so good.

Any true conservative will see that the logical, rational choice is Obama. No way is McCain or the Republican Party conservative. I rest my case.

[MonkeyFunk]

30. It's not

how liberal is the Democratic party these days? Not very.

But the notion that it's "not rational" to vote for McCain is just dumb. It's perfectly rational if you believe the things he believes, and don't believe the things Obama believes. I disagree with them, but I don't consider it irrational.

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. My 5:

McCantReadAMap

McCan'tReadEmail

McCan'tRememberTheSurgeDates

McDoesn'tKnowSunniFromShia

McWhinesTooMuch

[Demit]

8. I like your 5 words much better.

[hiaasenrocks]

10. That's the type of thing that diminishes legitimate claims and accusations of racism.

So, your idea is a bad one.

[elkston]

11. Most non-black people hate being called racists ...

even if they may hold those values to some degree. I have decided to not bring it up during this election and instead keep driving home Obama's positives and McCain/Bushes negatives.

Some white people on the fence are staying there because they hate feeling like they have been "guilted" into voting for Obama. So its best to not make it worse and bring up the black thing unless they are just out and out slinging racial slurs.

Make it so that absolute common sense is staring them in the face. And maybe they'll bite and go for Obama.

[Raineyb]

16. And your point is....

Putting aside my opinion of the OP's reasoning for the moment, why would I as a black woman, or anyone who cares about stamping down racism, give one flying fuck if some racist doesn't like being called a racist?

I don't like being called "nigger" but a racist will damn sure call me one my feelings notwithstanding.

I'm sorry but racism is a nasty, ugly thing and there are a lot of people, even some who claim to be democrats, who need to be told that in blunt language. Prettying it up for them does not serve this purpose.

As to the OP's reasoning, I'm not really sure if I can argue with it. Just this morning, before I changed the channel in disgust during a open phone segment on Washington Journal, there was a man who called on the Democrat line who was talking about the local Democratic candidates that he's planning to vote for who then went on to call Obama a lightweight and say that he's going to vote for McSame. I hate to be the one to rain on anyone's parade, but if you're a Democrat and you claim to stand for the ideals of the Democratic party and you vote for McSame instead of Obama then you not only do not stand for the principles of the Democratic party but you are in fact a bigot and if someone doesn't like that then they can either change or suck it up because it's the truth and it's about time that we as a society stop trying to make it sound "less offensive."

Regards

[Bobbie Jo]

13. How bout..STFU...YOU!

Appealing to their logic never gets you anywhere. :eyes:

[terrya]

26. This is a horrible idea.

Let's not do this. Please.

[golddigger]

32. This OP is a "BLACK THING RIGHT!!!!