WSJ on Candidates’ Latest Veep Lists

[Hope And Change]

WSJ on Candidates’ Latest Veep Lists

Obama: “His focus now includes five colleagues in the U.S. Senate — Joseph Biden, Evan Bayh, Chris Dodd, Hillary Clinton and Jack Reed — and two governors, Tim Kaine of Virginia and Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas, according to Democratic operatives, though he could still make a different pick.”


McCain: “They include ex-Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, a rival during the Republican primaries; Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, with whom he has a strong friendship; and former Rep. Rob Portman of the battleground state of Ohio. Republicans also are touting Sen. John Thune of South Dakota, Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, and campaign adviser Carly Fiorina, ex-CEO of Hewlett-Packard Co., among others.”

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121703366266486727.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news">Read the full story here.


http://thepage.time.com/wsj-on-candidates-latest-veep-lists/">Link

[depakid]

1. "he could still make a different pick.”

I surely hope so....

[Drunken Irishman]

3. I think this is a good list and hope it's Kaine.

Who do you want, then?

[Hope And Change]

4. It will be Kaine or Biden.But I hope he picks Biden.

[TwilightGardener]

12. Agree 100%--Biden and Kaine, Biden a safer and well-known choice.

People are still getting to know Obama. You don't want TWO brand-newbies on the stage.

[grantcart]

13. there is a serious problem with Biden

or any other Senator that has served that long.


Literally thousands of votes that have to be explained and sometimes you end up voting against a bill that you are in favor of because the bill doesn't go far enough. Kerry's I voted for it before I voted against is one example. McCain voting against his own bill is anoother.


It is just a lot more complicated to pick a Senator. One of the reasons that Clinton and Obama were able to get to the end of the race was that they had the shortest voting records to account for but it still was a problem for Clinton.


The betting odds have to be against any Senator. Probably a Governor.

[TwilightGardener]

14. That only works against the Prez candidate. As VP, I don't think it will be

a big deal--everyone knows Joe has been there forever, I don't think there will be extreme interest in picking apart his voting record--plus, McCheese has the same problem. I'm betting fence sitters want psychological reassurance that Obama isn't going to pick some OTHER risky new guy--they may want a solid gray-haired statesman-guy, familiar and comfortable. Obama is change enough.

[depakid]

8. My preference is still Wes Clark

The one person the corporate media doesn't want.

[bpcmxr]

17. I think it'll be Clark

Just a gut feeling.

[depakid]

34. He adds by far the most to the ticket

Not sure how well they know each other or whether they get along (those are a couple of big egos there) but a better combination would be tough to find on paper.

Moreover, Clark would be precisely the sort of hatchet man that the campaign needs. Hopefully, they'll recognize that and not go with some milquetoast choice.

[Sparkly]

38. I keep thinking that too... It's always said the VP candidate should be an "attack dog"

and Clark is unafraid to speak the truth and go after Republicans!

[Blondiegrrl]

49. I think the WSJ is talking out of its collective ass. n/t

[Drunken Irishman]

2. I think McCain will pick Pawlenty.

[newmajority]

6. God I hope so.

Only one image is necessary when talking about Pawlenty......



Good ol' Tim wouldn't give a dime to his own state's infrastructure, and this was the result.

The Repukes have done the same thing nationwide, and there will be more bridges falling down if we don't reverse this sickening direction.

[terrya]

7. I think it will be Romney.

I could be wrong. Hell, I don't know. A while ago, I thought it could be Jindal of Louisiana.

I'm struck at the quality of choices...mediocrity would be a tactful way of putting it...on McCain's VP list.

[jwirr]

32. Please? We want him out of Minnesota.

[alwysdrunk]

5. Why does every list still have Clinton?

One or two of these lists come out everyday now. Why is Hillary still on it? There must be some intel going to putting these lists together, so that means they must really be considering her. I thought the Hillary VP thing was kind of a show to play up the unity and healing stuff, but now I'm really getting worried.

edit:RTFA :dunce:

"Some of the names may remain as prospects mainly to please supporters, rather than represent a serious option -- such as Sen. Clinton."

[terrya]

9. Why wouldn't she be?

She garnered the second largest bloc of delegates. It's perfectly reasonable to expect her being considered for VP.

[Whisp]

11. Obama has consistently made good judgements, so don't worry about Hillary being veep.

not a chance.
as your edit said, she's just there for now to please those who still support her over Obama.

[TwilightGardener]

10. Reed is out--Sherman-style. Dodd--I mean, really? Mr. Mortgage?

I think he's out. I suppose that leaves Biden (solid pick, needs to control his mouth and leave his ego at the door), Bayh (Mr. Bland, Iraqi Liberator Extraordinaire), Hillary (no, unless Obama LIKES saboteurs undermining him), Sebelius (competent, not too exciting or distracting, but would look weird to have a woman on the ticket who's not Hillary), and Tim Kaine (um, whatever--haven't seen anything there that knocks my socks off--when people mention Catholicism among his top 3 best qualities, there's a problem). Nunn's too old and too has-been, Clark is perceived to have blown it, Webb is out, Schweitzer only rates a mention among cult fans on DU and publicly loves Mittens Romney, Hagel's a Repub, Strickland's out, Edwards has some issues right now, Kerry's not a serious consideration, being that the swiftboating and mockery are still fairly fresh. Am I missing anybody?
on edit--forgot Richardson. Too easy to do, that's a problem. I don't think he'll survive vetting, and I would do a better job debating than he would.

[Drunken Irishman]

18. So basically you're saying Obama is fucked?

[TwilightGardener]

20. Geez, now that I re-read my own post...

Yeah...

[alwysdrunk]

26. How did Clark blow it already?

Because of the McCain military experice thing? Was it really that big of a deal?

[TwilightGardener]

30. "Perceived" to have blown it--in other words, the media has now

allowed the narrative to become "Clark trashed McCain's record", even though you know and I know it isn't true. Obama distanced himself from the remarks, which he did appropriately and mildly, but you can't have "distance" between Prez and VP right from the start. Wes made some disparaging "commander in chief" remarks about Obama in the primaries. Plus, the VP slot should probably be filled by a more careful and polished politician--that's just my take. I also think people in the lefty blogosphere overrate how much Wes is loved or respected by the predominantly-GOP military community--speaking as a military wife.

[catgirl]

27. Mr Mortgage? Mr. Bland?

How about Mr. Critical? Sounds like he'd be the best V.P.

[napi21]

33. I think Biden would be a great choice, except that he's a Senator, and

if we're ever going to get a fillabuster proof majority, we have to stop raiding the Senate!

Having said that, Biden is GREAT at rebuttles and calmly explaining why the opposition is wrong. He's been right on with his views on foreign policy, and I think he would be a terrific addition to the ticket. Can you just see a debate between Biden and Pawlenty? Biden and Romney? ir any of the rest of them? Joe also knows all the problems we have with the different heads of all the Fed. Departments that have been screwed up by Shrub. He'd be able to provide a lot of names of COMPETENT people to fill those jobs, and for sure that's not going to be a small task!

[SoxFan]

46. Biden's senate seat is safe

If Biden is elected VP, his seat will be filled either by outgoing Gov. Ruth Ann Minner or by an incoming Democratic governor, Jack Markell or John Carney.

[DesertRat]

15. I hope Obama doesn't pick a Republican

Barack Obama's vice presidential search team has floated the name of a member of President Bush's first-term Cabinet, Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman, as Obama's running mate.

The search committee, now led by Caroline Kennedy and Eric Holder, raised Veneman's name — among others — in discussions with members of Congress, two Democrats familiar with the conversations said.

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/obama-considers-gop-running-mate/101881

[TwilightGardener]

16. I will bet my left boob that Veneman is not going to be VP. I feel weirdly

confident about it.

[Inuca]

19. Be careful with your bets

:rofl: I agree by the way, I am just not betting anything.

[TwilightGardener]

22. Chickenshit!

:rofl:

[DesertRat]

23. Hope you're right

:scared:

[NYC_SKP]

28. I see your boob and raise you

your other boob. Bet?

[TwilightGardener]

31. No deal. I must have at least one boob--my husband will back me up on that.

Maybe a pinkie finger. Or my little toe--it's pretty useless.

[NYC_SKP]

35. How about puppy pinkslips?

<----My Ginny against your wienerdoggie?

Just kidding. Oh crap, now she won't talk to me for another week. sigh.

:hi:

[TwilightGardener]

36. Cute puppy!

:hi:

[Gabi Hayes]

50. would it be untoward to offer to hold all the bets?

I have big hands

feet, too

[Windy]

21. They have no idea. Obama's campaign has been tightlipped. This nothing but speculation

Don't buy it.

[Inuca]

24. Whatever....

"according to Democratic operatives, though he could still make a different pick." Well... I know Reed is out and has been for a while, but the operatives in question and/or the WSJ writer don't know it. It may be one of these or I may be not. In other words... whatever... But I wish they would announce soon, i.e., before the Olympics and not wait for the convention. There should be enough excitement and media interest even without a VP announcement.

[Sparkly]

25. Senators and governors, governors and senators...

WHY?!? Why NOT Clark?!?

:banghead:

[NYC_SKP]

29. Wouldn't it be clever if it turns out to be Clark.

The campaign is shrewd, there is no official list, not really.....

Let everyone buzz about over all these other red herrings, then "bang", he announces Wes Clark!

There is nothing to disqualify him, especially not his comments on McSleepy.

[Sparkly]

37. That WOULD be amazing...

It's just baffling to me why he isn't mentioned -- it's like he's automatically excluded, but for no reason I can see. He's got everything going for him.

I really hope that search committee sees through all the BS and doesn't make a (supposedly) "safe" choice.

[NYC_SKP]

39. It could seriously be misinformation, these lists and not mentioning him.

I really think this may be what's happening.

[depakid]

40. "It's just baffling to me why he isn't mentioned."

The corporate media "disqualified" him for his remark about McCain.

They understand, you see- that if the this ends up as a referendum on McCain's & Co.'s fitness for office, then this won't even come close to being a race.

On the other hand, if McCain and his surrogates continue to get a pass from the Obama campaign- while the Republicans do what they always do (well) and exploit the worst of peoples' instincts and base emotions- they figure at the very least Obama won't have coattails, and Republicans might just pull another election off.

[NYC_SKP]

42. I think it's all about timing...

"that if the this ends up as a referendum on McCain's & Co.'s fitness for office..."

"Media disqualification" wouldn't prevent Obama from choosing Clark.

His comments are already nearly forgotten and by the time Obama announces, Clark's very words could be resurrected as a way of initiating the "fitness" argument.

Maybe that's what the campaign has in mind, I think it would be shrewd and very effective.

And how funny, after weeks of hearing nothing about Clark from the media, then "Bam"!

I'd love it!

[Buck Rabbit]

41. Come on McGrumpy pick Carly! She's hot for ya McCheater go for it!

[NYC_SKP]

43. WSJ, the Rupert Murdoch paper? This is not a legitimate story, IMO

<------Ginny my dog might be a democratic operative...

"according to Democratic operatives"

This, when coming from a Murdoch enterprise, does not rise to the definition of a reputable source.

They're just making up news....uh-gain.

[MasonJar]

44. It should be Hillary if he wants a guaranteed win. I also like Clark.

[ram2008]

45. Bayh is SURGING up to 30% in intrade...oh no

Anyone know why he's going up so fast? Yesterday he was at 15.0 now he's up to 26.0. The next closest to him is Kaine at 14.4. I hope this sudden and dramatic surge for Bayh isn't coming from insider information :(.

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch/

I don't see what could cause such a shift.

[Awsi Dooger]

48. I noticed that also

Normally a market will correct itself if a flurry of unnatural money appears. It looks like this move is being respected.

Although Intrade isn't necessarily as reliable as it used to be. Fewer American participants and much less volume after the internet gambling bill went into law and they decided to enforce it, with credit card companies refusing to deal with sites like Intrade if it's an American account.

[ram2008]

51. Now its UP even MORE

He's up to 31.8 now. His stock more than doubled in less than 24 hours. Weird. I don't see him as the top choice.

[high density]

47. "Hey you, Democratic operative, leak these obvious names to the press"

:eyes: