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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 09:48 PM
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Obama Campaign's Response: 'McCain Is An Honorable Man Running A Dishonorable Campaign'
The Obama campaign sent out this response:

“John McCain is an honorable man who is running an increasingly dishonorable campaign. Senator McCain knows full well that Senator Obama strongly supports and honors our troops, which is what makes this attack so disingenuous. Senator Obama was honored to meet with our men and women in uniform in Iraq and Afghanistan this week and has visited wounded soldiers at Walter Reed numerous times. This politicization of our soldiers is exactly what Senator Obama sought to avoid, and it's not worthy of Senator McCain or the 'civil' campaign he claimed he would run,” said Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor.

http://www.americablog.com/2008/07/mccain-launches-negative-ad-based-on.html
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 09:49 PM
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1. Well said! NT
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 09:50 PM
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2. It's funny - all Obama really has to do is recycle stuff from the campaign against Clinton.
Edited on Sat Jul-26-08 10:31 PM by BlooInBloo
EDIT: It helps when I don't forget entire words.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 09:51 PM
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3. Big fucking deal, if this is the extent of their pathetic response we are fucked in November
Edited on Sat Jul-26-08 09:52 PM by cryingshame
This means NOTHING when it comes to public relations.

McCain is running an ad attacking Obama, and Obama's campaign does nothing but issue a wordy memo?

This bullshit is going viral and Obama's staff better get on top of it.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 09:54 PM
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4. In case you haven't noticed...
The Obama team doesn't just rashly strike out when they attack. They formulate the plan. They gather the facts and strategy and then they go for it.

This ad was revealed today. I'm willing to give them a day to counter attack.

They need to successfully call the McCain camp out. Embarrass them. And then shift the conversation to the topic they want to focus on.

Just screaming bloody murder only ensures that this will be the topic for the next few days.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 09:56 PM
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5. NO SHIT...Goody Two Shoes is not gonna do it....we can do it with a real effort
to counter and also attack at the same time...

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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 09:57 PM
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6. goodness me jr.
get a grip
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 10:43 PM
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9. I've got to agree. This response was lame as hell.
It seems that they really don't know how to respond to something like this. If this becomes a pattern, they need to replace some of these weak strategists with people who have no qualms about going for the jugular.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 11:05 PM
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12. Do you really think that's all Obama's going to do?
It took McCain what, 3 days to run that ad. I'd give Obama a few days to respond. The statement was just a prelude.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 11:08 PM
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13. I really hate seeing such responses from DUers I enjoy reading
My ignore list is large enough as is.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 11:19 PM
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16. Read the response a little closer.
It's called responding effectively without going negative.

He's been a master at doing it--just because he didn't call McCain the scum of the earth doesn't mean it wasn't effective.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 08:11 AM
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25. too fucking wordy.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 09:57 PM
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7. He's not an honorable man.
He's a sellout to the GOP establishment and should be treated as such.
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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 10:49 PM
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10. Exactly so--if this campaign says anything about him,
it's that he is completely at home with the lying, backpedalling, negative attacks, and bald-faced pandering we've come to know and expect from the right, except to a degree that resembles parody. He's not just a sell-out--he was for sale from the start and his price was named--every trick since was by request.

The "honorable man" meme has to go; it's getting meaningless as he continues to stand on his POW past to overshadow a quarter-century of political hackery.This past week, with him in a small, petty way visiting these small theme-venues (German restaurants? Attack ads in cities named Berlin--wasn't he in Bethlehem, PA, when Obama was in Israel?) highlight his weakness. We *get* the joke, but it's lame, which is why it went unadvertised. His campaign's attacks on Obama for being a citizen of the world and making a visit to other countries (ahem--despite the history, Paine, Kennedy, Reagan, of the phrase "citizen of the world"--and what that term really means as an internationalist, and maybe a true-exporter of democratic values, and also despite the fact that as President, either candidate will need goodwill abroad to accomplish foreign policy goals) are mere jealous sniping--he couldn't garner a 200K crowd if he offered to Jello-wrestle Britney Spears and Jessica Simpson and sent an engraved invite to the National Enquirer and TMZ. Which is about the level he'd have to stoop to, the stupid-ass foreign policy gaffes he made this week pretty much disqualifying him from competing as a--

Okay, let me have it out--

Presidential candidate.

He doesn't have it. It's not just the Sunni/Shiite thing, and the Czechoslovakia thing, and the Iraq/Pakistan border thing, and the not getting that the Anbar Awakening was before the surge thing, and the not knowing that the surge didn't protect the sheik who was the driving force of the Anbar Awakening, and also his not knowing how Maliki had to go through Iranian contacts to get Sadr to call off the dogs in Basra just hours after his wrinkly behind was *in* Iraq, when you might suppose he've had a little insight--but didn't.

It's not the sloppy, slip-shod, revolving-door, message-less, lobbyist-driven, money-grubbing, mispent ad-time (hmm--is he gonna have this saturation in October when it counts like he does now? Did you notice how much of Obama's airtime has been free? What a pack of pitiful dumbasses his campaign must consist of.) campaing he's been running, with all these people off-message and even he looks like he doesn't know what he's saying sometimes (totally, a flack said that in certain venues, just like Gramm didn't speak for McCain when he was speaking for McCain, *McCain* wasn't always speaking for McCampaign) which only suggests he can't lead--or wouldn't he be able to marshall a tighter team with better strategy? With all that, erm, command experience? ("I know how to win wars." Right.)

It's the simple, observable truth, that when push comes to shove, and facts and polls changed, then 16 months to withdraw from Iraq looks good to McCain, and putting more troops in Afghanistan does, too. Those are things *Obama* was saying, the "kid" McCain goaded into making the tour of the battlefront so he could learn a few things. He just changed his mind to what Obama was about. And acted like it was Obama who was inconsistent.

That's not leadership. His petty, sniping, attack-ad-driven campaign isn't leadership. If he was honorable, he'd get the message back to what he could do for people, but as we all know--that ain't much. So he'll stick with the branding of his opponent, a straight-talking, dedicated public servant who has served his community from the beginning of his career and then his country in the Senate, as something less than American--a scurrilous attack. Unworthy.

Not honorable.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 10:30 PM
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8. obama is playing "king of the mountain" here
the only thing he's said, in different ways, is that he thought it would be political if he went

he's just begging the right wingers to knock him off, and unless he picks up some more armor, well...what do you expect?
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 10:57 PM
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11. McCain's propaganda miminstry is waiting, hoping, praying....
Saying whatEVER they can to try and provoke Obama into some angry
emotional response they can use against him. They must be tearing
their collective hair out. Here they are choming at the bit to jump
on an exploding Obama temper tantrum, and all they get is the fatherly
pat on the head saying, "now, now, you naughty Republicans, let's all
mind our manners and behave." They can't very well put THAT in a sound
byte and use it against Obama, can they? I can feel their frustration.....
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 11:09 PM
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14. SNAP!
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 11:17 PM
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15. I think that is a very weak, lame, response, way too much on the defensive.
Obama's campaign better start coming up with much more pithy responses to McCain's attacks. Stop with the "McCain is an honorable man" crap -- obviously, if he is spreading lies about Obama, McCain ISN'T honorable, so why soft pedal it?
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 11:20 PM
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17. It's called "damning with faint praise".
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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 11:53 PM
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19. And it's faint enough if the McCampaign itself proves it untrue--
"straight-talk" left and "honorable" barely makes a showing. What these oblique statements the Obama campaign makes hinge on, is that voters will think and figure things out for themselves.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 08:40 AM
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26. I disagree -- Obama's statement wasn't that clever or subtle -- it was whiny and weak and too wordy
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The River Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 11:43 PM
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18. Obama As Marc Anthony
assuring Rome that
“Brutus is an honorable man”.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 01:45 AM
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20. Pitch perfect,
which drives the tone-deaf crazy, because they don't know what fight they're in.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 08:43 AM
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27. They want him to overreact and insinuate that McCain is a worthless asshole.
We can say it, because we're not Presidential candidates.

But Obama's response was perfect--it was one of a disappointed father expressing consternation over the actions of a wayward son, and it will infuriate McCain that he's being preached to.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 01:35 PM
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40. It was a thing of beauty.
:thumbsup:
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 02:53 PM
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41. Dude's got ice water in his veins.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 07:19 AM
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21. McCain was trying to bait Obama into acting out.
It didn't work. Obama is too smart to fall for that cheap provocation. :rofl:
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 07:25 AM
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22. Obama's taking the high road. But WE can say it: McCain is a DISHONORABLE man running a
DISHONORABLE campaign.

The media really need to call out McCain on his scurrilous campaign.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 08:50 AM
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28. Yep. He allows it to continue for his benefit.
DISHONORABLE.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 08:51 AM
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29. Obama can't afford to take the high road. There IS no high road in politics.
The same candidate who already pandered to the right with his FISA vote and late term abortion statement has already shown he is NOT above taking the low, low road if he thinks it'll get him votes from the other side. The sad thing is, it won't. It will only cost him support on his own side, as it clearly has. Taking any kind of high road in responding to McCain's attacks won't get Obama any votes from the other side either. Nuance is lost on them. I think it just makes Obama look wishy washy. He needs to meet attacks with attacks that puts McCain on the defensive, not that make Obama look like HE's on the defensive. But Obama's probably thinking about what happened to Wes Clark and moveon.org, helped on by himself, of course, and now he's boxed himself into a real corner when it comes to attacking McCain because Obama's afraid to really take on the sacred cow. That's what this wishy washy response makes Obama sound like -- afraid. Obama just continues to disappoint me.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 12:10 PM
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33. Maybe you should contact the campaign. Your depth of understanding
of the subtleties in a Presidential campaign and your obvious command of the endless flaws within Obama's campaign, and, dare I say it, within the candidate himself, you're a shoo-in for a West Wing office for the next 8, maybe 16 years.



Oh, yeah - I don't give a fuck how disappointed you are in Obama. If you feel that strongly about him, maybe some of the other fine political sites available on the innernet tubes would be more to your liking.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 08:08 AM
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23. Perfect! nt
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 08:11 AM
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24. Too long of a response. Keep It Simple, Stupid. KISS!
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 10:07 AM
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30. Come one, come all ...
and join the cast of "The Disingenuous".
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 11:51 AM
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31. Some might view the McCain is an honorable man running a dishonorable campaign
statement as hypocrisy for an honorable man does not act dishonorably. :P
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 11:53 AM
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32. Taking the high road, and still making the important point.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 12:27 PM
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34. It made me think McSame uses some of HRC's old jabs at Obama
Some of this rhetoric I recognize from the Clinton negative ads at Obama. McCain should back off because it didn't work. HRC's negative campaigning got her running her campaigning in the red and she lost the nomination.

And once again I shake my finger at HRC -- she gave the Republicans free negative campaigning against Obama, they don't have to make up much...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 12:29 PM
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35. Leave it to Team Obama to
take the high road even with the filthy mccain campaign.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 12:37 PM
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36. McCain's Campaign Calendar...
They're in "It's Late October And We're Losing" Mode -- trying to get anything damn thing to throw at Obama in the desperate hope that something will stick.

Ain't going to happen. And by October (probably by September) voters are going to be sick of his gutter politics.

It's going to be an ugly campaign, but we're going to bury the son of a bitch.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 12:42 PM
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38. That's a
good take on it..thanks, Jeff In Milwaukee.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 12:45 PM
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39. And did you see this on the American Blog?
"Just today, the Washington Post, which cuts McCain every break possible, trashed McCain over his latest line of attack against Obama's patriotism:
This is not the "politics of civility" that Mr. McCain was promising as recently as last month.

"What a welcome change it would be were presidential candidates in our time to treat each other and the people they seek to lead with respect and courtesy as they discussed the great issues of the day," Mr. McCain wrote in a letter to Mr. Obama proposing weekly town hall meetings. With these latest comments, Mr. McCain falls short of the standards he set out.
This isn't the McCain they thought they knew. This is Karl Rove's John McCain. Wonder what David Broder (and all the Broder wannabes like Cillizza) thinks of this?

And, team Obama needs to hit back hard -- really hard. Obama has repeatedly said he won't let the campaign get distracted. His words "Not this time" have reinforced that message. Now is the time to prove it.

We've been saying the GOP was going to get nastier and uglier than anything we've ever seen. It's starting."
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 12:41 PM
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37. This is Obama's full response to attacks from mccain
found over in GD.

“John McCain is an honorable man who is running an increasingly dishonorable campaign. Senator McCain knows full well that Senator Obama strongly supports and honors our troops, which is what makes this attack so disingenuous. Senator Obama was honored to meet with our men and women in uniform in Iraq and Afghanistan this week and has visited wounded soldiers at Walter Reed numerous times. This politicization of our soldiers is exactly what Senator Obama sought to avoid, and it's not worthy of Senator McCain or the 'civil' campaign he claimed he would run,” said Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor."

FLASHBACK – Senator McCain in 2007: “How can we possibly find honor in using the fate of our servicemen to score political advantage in Washington? There is no pride to be had in such efforts. We are at war, a hard and challenging war, and we do no service for the best of us-those who fight and risk all on our behalf-by playing politics with their service.”

MCCAIN “TROOPS” ADWATCH

July 26, 2008

SCRIPT

RESPONSE

Anncr: Barack Obama never held a single Senate hearing on Afghanistan.

McCain Missed Every Armed Services Committee Hearing In The Last Two Years That Discussed Afghanistan. A review of the Senate Armed Services Committee hearings as listed on the committee Web site for the past two years reveals that McCain’s committee has held six hearings that included the word “Afghanistan” in the title or Central Command — which overseas U.S. troops in Afghanistan. McCain missed them all.

Senator Obama Chaired A Foreign Relations Committee Hearing That Discussed NATO And U.S. Efforts In Afghanistan. Obama chaired a Foreign Relations Committee meeting chaired by Sen. Obama in April 2008. During the meeting, Obama discussed NATO and Afghanistan and the lack of resources we need to win the war there saying, “Afghanistan, NATO’s first major mission beyond the borders of Europe, has been overlooked and undermanned by many members of the alliance, including the United States. Success in Afghanistan, I believe, is critical to American national security and to the security of the entire world, and a failure there would not only endanger our nation and global stability, it would cast serious doubt on the ability of NATO’s military and political architecture to uphold our security in the 21st century. Some new troop commitments to Afghanistan were made in Bucharest, and that is good news. But neither the administration nor our allies have yet done enough to muster the resources that would win the war there and prevent Afghanistan from re-emerging as a safe haven for the Taliban and al Qaeda.”

HEARINGS ON NATO’S ROLE IN AFGHANISTAN WOULD BE HELD BEFORE THE FULL FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE AND NOT OBAMA’S SUBCOMMITTEE

Republican Lugar’s Spokesperson Said Criticism Of Obama On Not Holding Hearings On Afghanistan Is Unfair Because NATO’s Role In Afghanistan Would Be Held Before The Full Foreign Relations Committee. The website PolitiFact, run by CQ and the St. Petersburg Times wrote, the claim “is unfair, said Andrew J. Fischer, a spokesman for Republican Sen. Richard Lugar. Lugar now serves as a minority member of the Foreign Relations Committee, but he was the chair, from 2003 to 2006, when Republicans controlled the Senate. He is the ranking Republican on the committee. Fischer, who is a minority staff member of the Foreign Relations Committee, said something as major as NATO’s role in Afghanistan would typically be held before the full Foreign Relations Committee, rather than Obama’s European subcommittee.”

Biden: Obama Didn’t Chair A NATO And Afghanistan Subcommittee Hearing Because I Did As Chairman Of The Committee—“We Hold Those Hearings At The Full Committee Level.” Sen. Joe Biden said, “The reason Senator Obama didn’t chair a NATO and Afghanistan subcommittee hearing is because I did, as Chairman of the Committee….when it comes to the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq, we hold those hearings at the full committee level.”

Kerry Said That Oversight Of Afghanistan Falls Under His Subcommittee And Not Obama’s; Said Top Topics Like NATO Are Left To The Foreign Relations Committee. “Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., an Obama supporter and member of the Foreign Relations Committee, pointed out in a teleconference with reporters Monday that oversight for Afghanistan falls under the jurisdiction of his subcommittee — Near East and South and Central Asian Affairs. He said he had conducted hearings on policy in Afghanistan. He also said top topics such as NATO are left to the Foreign Relations Committee.”

Subcommittee On European Affairs Doesn’t Have Primary Jurisdiction, Secondary Jurisdiction, Or Even Tertiary Jurisdiction Over The Campaign In Afghanistan; Clinton’s Claim Is False And “Represents Politics At It’s Most Cynical.” It’s worth reiterating: the Foreign Relations Committee’s Subcommittee on European Affairs doesn’t have primary jurisdiction over the campaign in Afghanistan. The Armed Services Committee (on which Senator Clinton serves) does. The Subcommittee on European Affairs doesn’t have secondary jurisdiction over the campaign in Afghanistan. The full Foreign Relations Committee (which has held hearings on Afghanistan) does. The Subcommittee on European Affairs doesn’t even have tertiary jurisdiction over the campaign in Afghanistan. The Subcommittee on Near East and South and Central Asian Affairs does. Both Clintons, obviously, fully understand how the Senate operates; and recognize that any freshman senator who hopes to have any influence in the upper chamber isn’t going to hold hearings on a matter almost wholly tangential to his subcommittee’s jurisdiction… The Clinton memo’s charge about the Subcommittee on European Affairs—which the campaign now has repeatedly made—represents politics at its most cynical. It’s a false statement. The campaign officials who made it know it’s a false statement. Yet the issue is arcane enough that most readers of the memo wouldn’t know the statement was false—and the press (as seen by Halperin’s introduction) can be counted on to frame the issue in a neutral fashion, since most journalists want to avoid the appearance of editorializing.”

He hadn’t been to Iraq in years.

Headline Five Days Ago: “Obama Visits Iraq, Focus On U.S. Troop Levels.” “U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama met Iraqi leaders and U.S. military commanders in Baghdad on Monday in a visit overshadowed by the question of when U.S. troops should go home.”

He voted against funding our troops.

FACTCHECKERS: CLAIM THAT OBAMA VOTED AGAINST TROOP FUNDING IS “MISLEADING”

Annenberg Fact Check: Saying Obama Voted Against Troop Funding Is “Oversimplified To The Point Of Being Seriously Misleading, Which Is Exactly The Problem With McCain’s Ad.” “As recently as April 2007, Obama voted in favor of funding U.S. troops again, but this time Democrats added a non-binding call to withdraw them from Iraq. McCain (who was absent for the vote) urged the president to veto that funding measure, because of the withdrawal language. President Bush did veto it, and McCain applauded Bush’s veto. Based on those facts, it would be literally true to say that ‘McCain urged a veto of funding for our troops.’ But that would be oversimplified to the point of being seriously misleading, which is exactly the problem with McCain’s ad.”

AP Fact Check: The McCain Ad’s Charge That Obama Voted Against Troop Funding Is “Misleading.” “The ad’s most inflammatory charge — that Obama voted against troop funding in Iraq and Afghanistan — is misleading. The Illinois senator consistently voted to fund the troops once elected to the Senate, a point Democratic rival Hillary Rodham Clinton made during the primaries when questioning whether his anti-war rhetoric was reflected in his actions.”

And now, he made time to go to the gym, but cancelled a visit with wounded troops.

Seems the Pentagon wouldn’t allow him to bring cameras.

Obama Has Been Clear: He Did Not Want Visit to Wounded Soldiers To Be Perceived as Political, Which The Pentagon Had Ruled It Would Be, And Never Planned To Bring Media. “We had scheduled to go, we had no problem at all in leaving, we always leave press and staff off — that is why we left it off the schedule. We were treating it in the same way we treat a visit to Walter Reed which I was able to do a few weeks ago without any fanfare whatsoever. I was going to be accompanied by one of my advisors, a former military officer.” Continued Obama, “And we got notice that he would be treated as a campaign person, and it would therefore be perceived as political because he had endorsed my candidacy but he wasn’t on the Senate staff. That triggered then a concern that maybe our visit was going to be perceived as political. And the last thing that I want to do is have injured soldiers and the staff at these wonderful institutions having to sort through whether this is political or not or get caught in the crossfire between campaigns.” “So rather than go forward and potentially get caught up in what might have been considered a political controversy of some sort,” Obama said, “what we decided was that we not make a visit and instead I would call some of the troops that were there. So that essentially would be the extent of the story.”

Obama Visited Wounded Troops at Walter Reed Last Month. The AP wrote, “Barack Obama stopped by Walter Reed Army Medical Center Saturday to visit wounded war veterans, a group that he has said endures substandard care under the Bush administration. The presumed Democratic nominee, who was in Washington to speak to the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials, slipped into the facility shortly after 9 a.m. without stopping to speak to the small group of reporters who follow him. The visit wasn’t on his public schedule.”

Obama Visited Wounded Troops In Baghdad’s Green Zone. Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs said, “On Monday, Sen. Obama stopped into a combat support hospital in the green zone of Baghdad, some of you may have seen the show on HBO called Baghdad ER, that was this hospital.”

McCain Senior Advisor Steve Schmidt: “We Follow The Rules” Banning Political Campaigning On Military Bases. “With Department of Defense rules prohibiting political campaigning on military bases, it was determined that in some cases McCain could visit the installations as a senator but could not engage in any political activity or have news media present. McCain campaign officials said Thursday they intentionally did not campaign on military property. ‘We follow the rules,’ said senior McCain adviser Steve Schmidt.”

John McCain is always there for our troops.

McCain. Country first.

John McCain: I’m John McCain and I approve this message.

MCCAIN REPEATEDLY VOTED AGAINST AND OBAMA REPEATEDLY VOTED FOR FUNDING FOR MILITARY EQUIPMENT FOR SOLDIERS

Obama Voted For And McCain Voted Against $360 Million for Armored Vehicles for Troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. In 2005, Obama voted for and McCain voted against providing $360.8 million for armored tactical wheeled vehicles for units deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan and $5 million to establish ballistics engineering research centers at two major research institutions. The measure against which McCain voted also required such centers to advance knowledge and application of ballistics materials and procedures to improve the safety of land-based military vehicles.

Obama Voted TWICE Against And McCain Voted TWICE For Keeping Capital Gains Tax Cuts, Rather Than Using the Savings to Replace or Repair Equipment for Troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. In 2005, Obama voted for and McCain voted against repealing the extension of capital gains tax cuts and use the savings to repair, rehabilitate or replace the equipment used by the Army and Marine Corps in Afghanistan & Iraq. A week later, prior to the issuance of a conference report regarding that measure, Obama voted for and McCain voted against a measure to “insist that conference report include funding to strengthen America’s military, as contained in Senate-passed amendment, instead of any extension of tax cuts for capital gains and dividends (which do not expire until 2009), as contained in House-passed bill.”

McCain Voted Against Providing An Additional $322 Million for Troops’ Safety Equipment, Including Body Armor. In 2003, McCain voted against an amendment to provide an additional $322 million for battlefield clearance and safety equipment for U.S. troops in Iraq. As National Journal noted, the amendment would have provided funding for “soldiers’ body armor, communications and other equipment.” The increased spending would have been offset by a reduction in Iraqi reconstruction funds.

McCain Opposed $1 Billion For Equipment For National Guard. In 2003, McCain opposed providing $1 billion for equipment for the National Guard and Reserves."

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