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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:03 PM
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Tom Brokaw goes to bat for McGrumpy
Edited on Sun Jul-27-08 05:03 PM by babylonsister
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/07/27/meet-the-press-tom-brokaw-loves-him-some-neocon-pundits/


Meet the Press: Tom Brokaw Loves Him Some NeoCon Pundits
By: Nicole Belle on Sunday, July 27th, 2008 at 11:45 AM - PDT

Video at link~

McCain’s Media is up in arms over the backfire of McCain’s challenge to Obama to go to Iraq. Obama went, he saw, he conquered Europe. That has to smart after spending the last seven years telling Americans that the French were sissies to compensate for their sneering of our foreign policy. Tom Brokaw, interim host of Meet the Press, is apparently an elder statesman of the McCain Media, since his choice to confront Obama is nothing less than citing once again those foreign policy “experts” of Charles Krauthammer and David Brooks. Remind me again, when have they been right about anything in this Iraqi invasion and occupation? Oh yeah, NEVER. Naturally, that’s who Brokaw should choose as the framing for his questions accusing Obama of being a little light on the specifics in his Berlin speech. What, you’ve never heard of EJ Dionne or Paul Krugman? How hard is it to even occasionally acknowledge a pundit from the other side of the aisle? Why on earth do they continue to give so much gravitas to pundits who have been so tragically and disgustingly wrong every step of the way?

As Obama rightfully points out, a 200K crowd in a foreign country is hardly the venue in which you pull out your inner wonkiness to get deep in the weeds of specific policies. Be honest, Brokaw, Brooks and Krauthammer whined about it because that’s all they had. If Obama had been specific, they’d whine about that too.

And if it is specifics you seek, where the hell is the media in asking McCain for specifics when he floats his “victory in Iraq” and “we are winning” memes every other sentence? I’ve been waiting for years for someone to explain to me what “winning” means in an occupation.



BROKAW: Next stop, Berlin. You were a rock star, as you often are when you give a speech, you had some by estimates, 200 thousand people listening to you-big crowd. Not everyone in America was an admirer. Charles Krauthammer, the conservative columnist, said ‘he hadn’t earned the right to speak there,’ and David Brooks from the New York Times, who is an early admirer of your rhetoric and the early stages of the campaign had this to say in his column, about your appearance in Berlin: ” When John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan went to Berlin, their rhetoric soared, but their optimism was grounded in the reality of politics, conflict and hard choices. Kennedy didn’t dream of the universal brotherhood of man. He drew lines that reflected hard realities. Reagan didn’t call for a kumbaya moment. He cited tough policies that sparked harsh political disagreements. Much of Obama’s Berlin speech fed the illusion that we could solve our problems if only people mystically come together. We should help Israelis and Palestinians unite. We should unite to prevent genocide in Darfur. We should unite so the Iranians won’t develop nukes. The great illusion of the 1990s, according to David Brooks, was that we were entering an era of global convergence in which politics and power didn’t matter. What Obama offered in Berlin flowed right out of that mind-set. Since then, autocracies have arisen, the competition for resources has grown fiercer, Russia has clamped down, Iran is on the march. It will take politics and power to address these challenges, the two factors that dare not speak their name in Obama’s lofty peroration. Obama has benefited from a week of good images. But substantively, optimism without reality isn’t eloquence. It’s just Disney.”
Why didn’t you use that occasion to spell out in great detail a sweeping vision of the Obama Doctrine?

OBAMA: Well…

BROKAW: You’re the President of the United States.

OBAMA: …Let me say first of all there are a bunch of really good reviews that you didn’t ….that you didn’t put up on the screen. I’d say there’s about nine good reviews for every bad one. Number two, I think David Brooks is one of my favorite conservatives, but he is a conservative who is supportive of John McCain, so let’s, you know, put that out there as a caveat.

BROKAW: But here’s the point…

OBAMA: But let’s get to the point. No one speech does everything, right? I could have delivered a(n) exhaustive list of policy prescriptions. I suspect that 200,000 people would have slowly drifted off as I entered into the 45th minute of the speech. What I was trying to do was provide some broad themes in terms of where America needs to go and where Europe needs to go. And contrary to David Brooks’ suggestion, and some of the suggestions of other conservatives, I was I think pretty clear about the difficulties of power and politics. When I specifically said that Europeans need to step up and do more in Afghanistan, that wasn’t an applause line in Germany. When I talked about the fact they need to do more in Iraq, despite our past differences, that wasn’t an applause line in Germany. When I talked about the fact that there has been too much anti-American sentiment and a stereotyping of America in Europe, that wasn’t an applause line in Germany, that wasn’t a bunch of high flying rhetoric. So I think given the purpose of this that I had, which was to get Europeans to recognize the extraordinary sacrifices that Americans have made on behalf of world freedom and security and to get Americans to recognize we need partners in order to be effective to solve our problems. I would give myself a slightly better grade than David Brooks did.

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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:05 PM
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1. I thought the only thing missing during this piece was Brokaw's McCain button. nt
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:18 PM
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5. I agree.
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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 08:33 PM
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20. Imagine if you will that it was McCain who . . .
had such a successful visits with European leaders, spoke at a huge rally of supporters in Berlin, sunk a tough basket on the first try while visiting with troops in Kuwait, was given a personal helicopter tour with General Patraeus, met with mid-East leaders, and respectfully toured a Holocaust Memorial in Israel. The media whores would be climbing over themselves heaping praise on their good friend McCain and informing us about what a great president he would be. I don't even care what their motives for the Obama pile-on are, it is a provable fact that the media is intent on lending a helping hand to "Big" John and bringing Obama down.

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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 08:38 AM
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28. well put.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 09:13 PM
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22. He probably pulled a Tim Russert and wore one on the underside
of his lapel so he could flash it whenever he was among Republcian friends.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 11:26 PM
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25. Tom has a bus to catch (the Free Ride Express) and he knows he must earn his seat
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 06:38 AM
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26. Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner.
It's all about keeping a seat on the plane . . . or double talk express.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:06 PM
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2. Just Brokaw's body language (crossed arms) indicated his subtle hostility toward Barack.
For some bizarre reason, the Media Heathers feel Barack's successful trip overseas is somehow a detriment. Go figure.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:08 AM
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30. not looking for answers or to educate voters--looking instead to convey self-righteous indignation
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:06 PM
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3. That interview was completely one sided.
I expected better from NBC. I don't why I expected more. The entire media is corporate directed.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:13 PM
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4. Brokaw is a legend in his own mind....Asshole fer shure..n/t
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:18 PM
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6. And those are all the reasons that Brokaw is a shoo-in for Russerts old job.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:19 PM
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7. Looks like Obama pwnd the ol'
GEmediawhore.

Why is that Dan Rather is the only one who's come out looking like he has integrity of all those later anchors?
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:20 PM
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8. fuck you tom.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:37 PM
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11. I like the way you boiled it down to its essence, ccharles, and I agree!
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:26 PM
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9. Doesn't matter. Barack prevailed.He's bullet-proof.
They're gonna throw everything at him and it's gonna pass right through him.

I can't be more impressed with the way he thinks.

He's in it for real, win or lose. I see no evidence that his ego is invested in this accomplishment. To the contrary, he makes me think that as far as he's concerned, he's already accomplished enough to be happy with the results of all this work.

1. He's steered all of the discussion back to important policies.
2. He's turned the PNAC agenda on it's head and sent it packing. We are on the road to healing the middle east. B* waved the white flag and decided to stop calling Iran names and there will be no bombing.
3. You have to say it: The first minority democratic candidate.
4. He's re-fueled the democratic party and given the country hope.
5. He's healed alot of the racism in america, or at least shined alot of light on it and exposed it as a dwindling american issue.


So, I really think, with his upper hand in the debates with Gramps, he's not sweating anything anymore. He knows it's smooth sailing, with some ugly swiftboat commercials. But, those, he doesn't have to answer instantly on camera. He gets a few hours to craft a good answer to them, and he's more than ready.

Brokaw probably didn't realize going in that Barack had him on the mat, but he knows, now. The rest of the press is sitting up and taking notice: This is no easy takedown. He can go the rounds with anyone, with a smile.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:33 PM
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10. I think Brokaw was about as bad as I have ever seen him! What the H happen to him?
I guess he is turning bitter with age and I am no spring chicken. I can remember him from way back. I thought he was awful! It is OK to try and ask some hard questions but I didn't hear anything out of his mouth but accusations! I think Chuck Todd would be much better on this show and they better get him in quick or there will be few people watching this in the future!
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Princess Turandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 06:53 PM
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19. The few times that I saw Brokaw interviewed after he left ..
the NBC national News show - an appearance on Letterman comes to mind - he was an uber-Bush/Iraq War apologist. And it wasn't as if he was defending media coverage of the war, he was defending the Bush decision to go into Iraq. (And Dave, in that 'folksy' way he sometimes adopts, was blasting Bush.) Now as a talking head asking questions, Brokaw doesn't really have to pretend to be objective. I think his real feelings are coming out.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:02 AM
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29. Brokaw's Vietnam book tapped McCain, HillaryClinton for comment but not Kerry.
Brokaw is fully entrenched with the BFEE's New World Order fascist agenda.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:41 PM
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12. Got pwn'd, Brokaw.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:58 PM
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13. Obama: Take your point and shove it up your ass
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 06:10 PM
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14. Yeah, and Krauthammer, for kryssake!!?!?! Like Krauthammer would ever say anything objective
about a Democrat!!!

What did Brokaw think he was proving by bringing him up? Brooks, okay, maybe, but Krauthammer???

Brokaw is blind to his own bias.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 06:15 PM
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15. I was genuinely shocked that Brokaw brought up Krauthammer.
I didn't think I could be shocked. But Krauthammer is a neocon hater of the first degree who would approve of anything to get Barack out of the way. He has no credibility. The fact that Brokaw even mentioned his name sent a chill up my spine.

We are in for difficult times, and Tom Brokaw was an enabler for them today.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 06:26 PM
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17. Obama was SMART not to dignify the mention of K by rebuking him. These people hate being 0
more than anything else.

Brokaw was baiting Obama, any self-respecting real journalist would have been ashamed of himself.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 06:19 PM
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16. Quit complaining about the MCainstream Media.
I didn't see the interview, but frm reading the transcript, I'd say all those old reprobates managed to do was to volunteer themselves as dragons for Obama to slay. And Obama obliged them.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 06:31 PM
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18. Brokaw can kiss my democratic ass!
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 08:45 PM
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21. ReTHUG talking points
and Brokow used everyone of them, what a suck ass interview that was. :puke:
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 09:58 PM
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23. I think brokaw inadvertently helped Obama.
If he lodged softballs at Obama people would call it "left wing media". The fact that Obama did so well against every attack looks very impressive. Obama looks so much more intelligent when he's challenged.
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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 10:00 PM
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24. I don't think so.
What happens, is the viewer hears the same thing said over and over again while Obama is on stage.

Some will think, there must be something to it if they all keep asking him this question. It's being drummed into the minds of the people who aren't paying attention enough to notice the manipulation.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 07:22 AM
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27. SEPTEGENARIANS Unite!
Big O..whoop-assed the Greatest Generation reporter!
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