My conversation with a close GOP friend today

[AllentownJake]

My friend, a great guy other than his uniformed political views, today and I caught up after not talking for a month. We used to live in the same city in Indiana and hang out everyday but after I returned to the fatherland of PA we have a conversation about once a month for 2 hours or so

Anyway, he was looking forward to the bombing of Iran. After I pointed out how stupid any war with Iran was strategically (they border two countries we are occupying) and that their army out numbers us in that region 6-1 he actually started to come around a little bit and realized war with Iran right now (couldn't convince him in the long term) was a very very bad idea and that it would be foolish with our current milatary occupying a shiite nation we would lose.

I also explained to him why the Democratic plan for the mortgage industry was good and he ended up supporting it.

I guess that is progress. Maybe by the election he'll vote for Obama.

[tekisui]

1. So bizarre how pukes want fresh blood, always.

Dark skinned blood from foreign lands they know nothing about.

I just don't get it.

[AllentownJake]

3. I don't view him as a Puke

more of a very intelligent person who watches too much Foxnews.

I was once one of them 6 years ago so I know how to convert the non-idiot who were raised that way like I was.

[tekisui]

8. Well, keep up the good work.

[Sidney J Mussburger]

20. An intelligent Fox News viewer?

I think I may have just shat my pants and threw up at the same time. Hold on a minute. Yep, after further review, I did. Thanks alot.

[Jane Austin]

5. I think I do.

They are scared by all the sabre rattling, and lots of people, when scared, resort to dominance to try to solve things.

Therfore,they want to bop somebody over the head with a baseball bat or a few bombs to "solve" the problem.

[AllentownJake]

7. That

and they believe that any problem internationally can be solved by us bombing the shit out of someone.

[Jane Austin]

2. You get a gold star for

your patience, perseverance and care!

Bravo!

[Lint Head]

4. I can't hold a conversation with a person that believes in

fascism for that long. :dem:

[Union Thug]

17. That's what I was thinking. I don't have any right wing friends...

I would either end up dead or in prison if such an attempt were ever made.

I don't know how they do it!

[BlooInBloo]

6. They only want to punch people who don't punch back. Cowards.

[AllentownJake]

9. The word slaughter

and biggest defeat in US milatary history got his attention.

[BlooInBloo]

10. Surprised he didn't say to just nuke 'em all (and let gawd sort it out).

[AllentownJake]

11. Actually

I pointed out that the only way to win was a nuclear war which would result in the invasion of South Korea and Taiwan and the Japanese arming the Nuclear weapons they have but don't have assembled to use in China.

I essentially said it would be WWIII and he better have canned goods stored up to survive on.

[BlooInBloo]

12. Hah!

[Ian David]

14. If we attack Iran, we have 13 minutes before Russia and China retaliate against us in-kind.

Eat the Republicans first, so your canned goods last longer.

[AllentownJake]

16. I don't think so

But they will invade countries they've been waiting to invade for years (former republics and neighbors they don't like) and use our behavior as an excuse. Which unless we want to end life on the planet we will allow.

He asked about the UN and I said once the US drops a nuclear weapon there is no UN.

[calimary]

19. I think that's the heart of it.

They hate it when you stand up to 'em. Pisses 'em off.

I was on an internet radio show on Friday with a conservative woman. What a snarky so-n-so she turned out to be. I decided not to be a push-over. You know how I'm always belly-aching about how OUR side needs to get the last word, how OUR people on radio and TV are too soft and let the bad guys interrupt and bigfoot the face-time and get their points made and our people just give in and back off? Well, I had no such intention. She probably thought I was rude because I wouldn't let her finish. I did not hesitate to butt in and talk over her when she was making some lame or indefensible point. I did it several times. She started to get pissed off. Told our host in kind of a snippy fashion after we'd been at it for awhile - "I only have ten minutes" and then "I gotta go." And then when time was almost up, we all said farewell and she said "it was a pleasure" with a voice utterly DRIPPING in sarcasm. Sounded like she couldn't wait to get away from me.

Well, I rather enjoyed being rude and stepping on her. I just was NOT going to sit there and let her just blab away on some really pathetic points without challenging or contesting or disputing it. I just was not about to let her get the last word, or to let her statements stand unrebutted. I just couldn't.

And there was actually one time or two when I agreed with her - to which she expressed some surprise. Probably sarcastic, because she didn't hesitate to throw in some of those obnoxious and predictable references to "well, if we all just sat around and held hands and sang kumbaya..." and carried on about the so-called "liberal media."

I just couldn't let what she said stand. Couldn't do it. I may not be asked back. I don't care. If they do invite me to do it again, I shall do so, THE SAME WAY. If she starts talking crap, I'm gonna step on her and shut her down.

It felt like mudwrestling, and I know I probably lost a few points. But she did, too.

[BlooInBloo]

23. :) Excellent example/story!

[calimary]

25. Thanks. I initially felt a little guilty about having not been polite.

But FUCK IT. We've got dozens of DNC people and commentators and editorialists and other partisans who are just too frickin' polite. I find myself screaming at my TV - "JUMP BACK IN, DAMMIT!" "SAY SOMETHING! NOW!!!!! JUMP IN ON HIM/HER! DON'T LET THEM BUTT IN LIKE THAT!!!" And they seldom do. And when the opponent gets rolling, they back down and shut up and let the opponent (who was rude initially) continue and complete the point. And invariably the point is made and allowed to stand because by the time the opponent finishes, he or she has hogged all the rest of the time that was supposed to be used for our side's spokesman to complete his or her point. And then the host thanks everybody and the segment's over and that bad or erroneous or wrong or deceitful point has been allowed to stand, unrebutted or unchallenged. So in the viewers'/listeners' minds, that's the point they remember. ESPECIALLY if it's the last point made. You remember best what you just heard last.

So I just wasn't gonna play. As I said, I may not get the chance to do so again. Either the host of this particular show won't invite me back in deference to the other guest (whom he's known and had on his shows longer - he just met me a few weeks ago), or she'll probably lodge a protest with him, saying she'll never come on again if "that rude leftist bitch" is on, too.

I WAS feeling a little uneasy about it. But FUCK IT. I've changed my mind. She got what they ALL deserve, and I could tell, just as I suspected, these people are SO used to being coddled and capitulated to and deferred to by well-mannered "opponents" that they're just shocked and outraged when they're suddenly not treated that way. If I am invited back, which I doubt (I'm certain she'll complain, if she hasn't already), I will be just as intolerant of that shitty, condescending, patronizing, and utterly bogus behavior.

BTW - one of the points we hashed out was about michael savageweiner and his asshole remarks about autistic kids and whether boycotts work and all that stuff. My opponent brought up, several times, the boycott that pushed dr. laura off TV. It told me she was personally quite outraged about how "poor" dr. laura was treated by those awful gay-loving boycotters. But then again, dr. laura does talk fairly frequently about bad behavior and not rewarding it. So thereya go.

So I suppose you can start calling ME "The Rude Pundit" now.

:rofl:

[BlooInBloo]

27. Some have noticed that politeness isn't one of my finer qualities.

:P

[Ian David]

13. Tell him that you want him to start eating healthy and taking care of his body...

... because you plan to eat him and the other Republicans if you survive a nuclear holocaust.

[calimary]

26. OMG! That is GREAT!!!!!!!

Mind if I steal it?

[AZBlue]

15. "he was looking forward to the bombing of Iran" YIKES!

You done good!!!

[dkf]

18. Did you tell him that was a good way to send oil up to $300 a barrel?

Yeah, bombing Iran is a great idea...NOT.

[GCP]

21. Indeed, they've already told us they'd close down the Strait of Hormuz

If we tried anything.

[Vinca]

22. Was he planning on enlisting to fight the war with Iran?

The problem with the Republicans is they're happy to send your kid to war, but their kid is special and needs to go to college in order to fight the enemy from home. I can see how you got him to come around with the mortgage bailout. If you frame it as protecting the value of their homes, they'll bite. Grandma on the street doesn't have that much impact on them.

[LiberalAndProud]

24. Why would any sane person support the bombing of Iran?

Is it that the pre-emptive strike against Iraq has worked so well for us? It's impossible for me to find any logic in this kind of thinking. How can anyone think bombing Iran is a good idea? HOW?