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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:13 PM
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Jon Voight is a F*cking Idiot
Edited on Mon Jul-28-08 05:18 PM by redstate_democrat

VOIGHT: My concerns for America
Obama sowing socialist seeds in young people

Monday, July 28, 2008

Actor Jon Voight. Associated Press.

OP-ED

We, as parents, are well aware of the importance of our teachers who teach and program our children. We also know how important it is for our children to play with good-thinking children growing up.

Sen. Barack Obama has grown up with the teaching of very angry, militant white and black people: the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, William Ayers and Rev. Michael Pfleger. We cannot say we are not affected by teachers who are militant and angry. We know too well that we become like them, and Mr. Obama will run this country in their mindset.

The Democratic Party, in its quest for power, has managed a propaganda campaign with subliminal messages, creating a God-like figure in a man who falls short in every way. It seems to me that if Mr. Obama wins the presidential election, then Messrs. Farrakhan, Wright, Ayers and Pfleger will gain power for their need to demoralize this country and help create a socialist America.

The Democrats have targeted young people, knowing how easy it is to bring forth whatever is needed to program their minds. I know this process well. I was caught up in the hysteria during the Vietnam era, which was brought about through Marxist propaganda underlying the so-called peace movement. The radicals of that era were successful in giving the communists power to bring forth the killing fields and slaughter 2.5 million people in Cambodia and South Vietnam. Did they stop the war, or did they bring the war to those innocent people? In the end, they turned their backs on all the horror and suffering they helped create and walked away.

Those same leaders who were in the streets in the '60s are very powerful today in their work to bring down the Iraq war and to attack our president, and they have found their way into our schools. William Ayers is a good example of that.

Thank God, today, we have a strong generation of young soldiers who know exactly who they are and what they must do to protect our freedom and our democracy. And we have the leadership of Gen. David Petraeus, who has brought hope and stability to Iraq and prevented the terrorists from establishing a base in that country. Our soldiers are lifting us to an example of patriotism at a time when we've almost forgotten who we are and what is at stake.

If Mr. Obama had his way, he would have pulled our troops from Iraq years ago and initiated an unprecedented bloodbath, turning over that country to the barbarianism of our enemies. With what he has openly stated about his plans for our military, and his lack of understanding about the true nature of our enemies, there's not a cell in my body that can accept the idea that Mr. Obama can keep us safe from the terrorists around the world, and from Iran, which is making great strides toward getting the atomic bomb. And while a misleading portrait of Mr. Obama is being perpetrated by a media controlled by the Democrats, the Obama camp has sent out people to attack the greatness of Sen. John McCain, whose suffering and courage in a Hanoi prison camp is an American legend.

Gen. Wesley Clark, who himself has shame upon him, having been relieved of his command, has done their bidding and become a lying fool in his need to demean a fellow soldier and a true hero.

This is a perilous time, and more than ever, the world needs a united and strong America. If, God forbid, we live to see Mr. Obama president, we will live through a socialist era that America has not seen before, and our country will be weakened in every way.

Jon Voight is an Academy Award-winning actor who is well-known for his humanitarian work.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/28/voight/

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:14 PM
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1. The fact that Jon Voight was a Seinfeld joke pretty much says it all.
Edited on Mon Jul-28-08 05:15 PM by wienerdoggie
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:34 PM
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97. Wonder what his daughter has to say about it?
I respect her a fuckofalot more than I do his sorry ass.
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:15 PM
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2. Wow. I didn't realize he was so dumb.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:18 PM
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3. I thought he was "acting" in "Holes," but I guess not.
n/t
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:19 PM
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4. No wonder his daughter wants nothing to do with him. He's an imbecile.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 07:28 PM
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47. I was just about to type the very same thing.
What an idiot.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:32 PM
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64. Same here
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:58 PM
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66. so was I.
Good grief. What an idiot.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 12:41 AM
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68. I would be MUCH more intrigued by his daughter's response
... to the election than his foolish one. Particularly as she has traveled to some of the ugliest places in the world to see first-hand the devastation brought on by wars and dictators.

I wouldn't be surprised if after hearing about her dad's illustrious comments, we heard from her very soon....
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:19 PM
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5. John Voight is an example of reverse genetics
He inherited his stupidity from his daughter.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:38 PM
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26. If what she said is true then I agree..
She was reported to have said .."I'm an Independent..I'll have to take a look at mccain and Obama and see which one I want":silly: This was like a month ago.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 06:07 PM
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42. You know
I'm really offended by that.

Angelina Jolie has done wonderful things for the less advantaged -- is she stupid for that, too?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:20 PM
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6. He lost all credibility when he lied about his daughter
He also shows how dumb he is if he thinks any of the Dem candidates are Socialists.
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 06:01 PM
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38. What lie was that?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 06:05 PM
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39. About how his daughter had mental problems, etc.
I'll admit the whole Billy Bob thing made you wonder if she had lost her mind, but Voight mouthed off after Jolie had grown up and gotten her life together.

Publicity hound, and I used to really like him.
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91. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Artful Dodger Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 06:32 PM
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43. I don't know.......
Edited on Mon Jul-28-08 06:48 PM by Artful Dodger
“He also shows how dumb he is if he thinks any of the Dem candidates are Socialists.”

Really? I imagine that the list of items that you or, during the primaries, our nominee would disagree with in the following party platform would be a short one.

SPUSA Platform

The Socialist Party stands for the abolition of every form of domination and exploitation, whether based on social class, gender, race/ethnicity, age, education, sexual orientation, or other characteristics.

We are committed to the transformation of capitalism through the creation of a democratic socialist society based on compassion, empathy, and respect as well as the development of new social structures. Socialism will establish a new social and economic order in which workers and community members will take responsibility for and control of their interpersonal relationships, their neighborhoods, their local government, and the production and distribution of all goods and services.

For these reasons we call for social ownership and democratic control of productive resources, for a guarantee to all of the right to participate in societal production, and to a fair share of society's product, in accordance with individual needs.

As we pursue a socialist transformation of society, we join with others in making radical demands on the existing system: demands that challenge the basic assumptions of a capitalist market economy while pointing the way to a new society. Although reforms will not in themselves bring about socialism, the fight for them will advance the cause by demonstrating the inherent limitations and injustice of the capitalist system. As we build the socialist movement, we organize around a platform committed to our common and interdependent struggles and aspirations.

2008-2009 Platform: International Policy

The United States is the sole remaining global superpower. The U.S. government uses its overwhelming military power to consolidate its strategic hold over the entire world and to defend and advance the interests of U.S. owned corporations as they exploit the working people and natural resources of the entire planet. We stand in total opposition to U.S. imperialism and the current “war on terror” which is just another subterfuge for U.S. imperialism.

1. We call for the closing of all U.S. military facilities at home and abroad that train foreign military and paramilitary personnel.
2. We call for the United States to immediately and unconditionally withdraw its forces from Iraq and Afghanistan.
3. We call for an end to the U.S. occupation of the province of Guantanamo, Cuba.
4. We call for an end to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank-East Jerusalem and Gaza, and an end to all U.S. aid to Israel, as a precondition for peace.
5. We support an immediate cutoff of all U.S. military aid to Colombia, and all other recipients.
6. We call for the abolition of the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, and all other institutions of covert warfare.
7. We stand for unconditional disarmament by the United States.
8. We call for an international treaty outlawing all weapons of mass destruction, including the use of depleted uranium in conventional weapons.
9. We call for an immediate 50% cut in the military budget, followed by additional cuts, with the aim of rapidly reducing the military budget to less than 10% of its current level, with the "peace dividend" directed to essential social services and to the cost of cleaning up contaminated military sites.
10. We call for the disbanding of NATO and all other aggressive military alliances, and the closing of all overseas bases.
11. We call for an end to U.S. arms sales throughout the world.
12. We call for the U.S. to pay off its debts to the United Nations, an end to veto power in the UN, and an end to permanent membership on the UN Security Council.
13. We call for a constitutional amendment requiring a binding vote of the people on all issues of war or military intervention.
14. We support the right of soldiers to form unions to represent their views and interests.

2008-2009 Platform: Labor

The Socialist Party stands for the right of all workers to organize, for worker control of industry through the democratic organization of the workplace, for the social ownership of the means of production and distribution, and for international solidarity among working people based on common opposition to global capitalism and imperialism. We believe that the international organization of labor is the only way of combating the exploitation of workers in a global capitalist economy. Working people have no country, but rather an international bond based on class. Workers throughout the world have far more in common with each other across national boundaries than with their bosses in their own countries. Ultimately a socialist revolution must be an international revolution that cannot survive if confined to individual countries amidst capitalist imperialism.

1. We support the right of any number of interested workers in a workplace to form a union with no limits on the subjects upon which employees and unions may bargain with employers.

2. We support the right of public sector workers to strike.

3. We call for recognizing a union based on cards signed.

4. We call for the democratic control of all unions by their membership, and independent of employer domination and influence.

5. We support the right of all workers to engage in collective action and self-representation regardless of union status.

6. We support militant, united labor action including hot cargo agreements, and boycotts, factory committees, secondary and sympathy strikes, sit-down strikes, general strikes, and ultimately the expropriation of workplaces.

7. We support the right of workers to hold shop meetings on company premises, elect their immediate supervisors, and administer health and safety programs through the formation of shop councils.

8. We call for the repeal of the Hatch Act and the Taft-Hartley Act, the "hot cargo" provision of the Landrum-Griffin Act, and all so-called "right-to-work" laws.

9. We call for the same benefits for part-time workers as for full-time workers.

10. We call for increased health and safety regulation of business, and for increasing the size and enforcement power of the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA).

11. We support the creation of a fund for workers which would pay a worker’s full wages and health insurance as well as necessary educational and/or retraining costs if that worker loses a job due to environmental transition, down-sizing, corporate dismantlement, or capital flight.

12. We call for a 30 hour work week at no loss of pay, with six weeks annual paid vacation.

13. We call for unions to stop using union funds for electing candidates from the Democratic and Republican parties.

2008-2009 Platform: Economics

The Socialist Party stands for a fundamental transformation of the economy, focusing on production for need not profit. So-called fair trade is meaningless as long as the world economy is dominated by a few massive corporations. Only a global transformation from capitalism to democratic socialism will provide the conditions for international peace, justice, and economic cooperation based on the large-scale transfer of resources and technology from the developed to the developing countries.

1. We demand the immediate withdrawal of the United States from the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), and oppose the creation of a widened Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA).

2. We call for worker and community ownership and control of corporations within the framework of a decentralized and democratically determined economic.
3. We call for a minimum wage of $15 per hour, indexed to the cost of living.

4. We call for a full employment policy. We support the provision of a livable guaranteed annual income.

5. We call for all financial and insurance institutions to be socially owned and operated by a democratically-controlled national banking authority, which should include credit unions, mutual insurance cooperatives, and cooperative state banks. In the meantime, we call for re-regulation of the banking and insurance industries.

6. We call for a steeply graduated income tax and a steeply graduated estate tax, and a maximum income of no more than ten times the minimum. We oppose regressive taxes such as payroll tax, sales tax, and property taxes.

7. We call for the restoration of the capital gains tax and luxury tax on a progressive, graduated scale.

8. We call for compensation to communities-- and compensation, re-training, and other support service for workers-- affected by plant and military base closings as stop-gap measures until we reach our goal of creating a socialist society totally separate from the global capitalist economy.

9. We oppose the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, and the World Trade Organization as instruments of capitalist oppression throughout the world.

10. We demand cancellation of Third World debt.

11. We call for a National Pension Authority to hold the assets of private pension funds, and a levy against corporate assets for any pension fund deficits.

12. We call for increased and expanded welfare assistance and increased and expanded unemployment compensation at 100% of a worker's previous income or the minimum wage, whichever is higher, for the full period of unemployment or re-training, whichever is longer.

13. We support a program of massive federal investment in both urban and rural areas for infrastructure reconstruction and economic development.

14. We support tax benefits for renters equal to those for homeowners.

15. We call for the elimination of subsidies and tax breaks that benefit corporations and all other forms of corporate welfare.

2008-2009 Platform: Human Rights

Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Queer People
The Socialist Party recognizes the human and civil rights of all, without regard to sexual orientation.

1. We call for the end of all anti-gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender (GLBTQ) restrictions in law and the work place, the repeal of all sodomy laws, and the legalization of same-sex marriage.

2. We call on all schools to adopt policies and procedures to address and prevent student violence and to ban discrimination against GLBTQ people throughout the educational system.

3. We call for a federal ban on all forms of job discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity.

4. We are committed to confronting the heterosexism that provides the fertile ground for homophobic violence, and support all efforts toward fostering understanding and cooperation among persons and groups of differing sexual orientations.

People of Color
The Socialist Party recognizes the intimate link between racism and capitalism and demands the elimination of all forms of discrimination in housing, jobs, education, health care, etc. We are committed to the creation of a pluralistic society that defends and promotes a multicultural/multiethnic presence in both the public and private spheres. The Socialist Party rejects the social construction of race and we commit ourselves to the eradication of racism.

1. We strongly support affirmative action, civil rights, and anti-discrimination laws and programs to end institutional racism.

2. We call for reparations from the federal government for its role in the slave trade and the genocide of Native American nations, with the reparations programs administered by the oppressed communities themselves.

3. We support the efforts of people of color to self-defense, self-determination, and to organize independently for their liberation.

4. We oppose all efforts to declare English an official language, and call for an end to all language discrimination. We demand that all public and private institutions provide services and materials in the languages of their communities.

5. We call for enforcement of Native American treaty rights, support for tribal schools and colleges, living wages on Native American reservations, and democratization of power and wealth in tribal governments.

6. We call for strict legal penalties for the police practice of racial profiling, and we particularly condemn the targeting of Arabs and Muslims since September 11.

7. We demand an end to police brutality and all forms of harassment against people of color and ethnic minorities.

People with Disabilities
The Socialist Party recognizes the human and civil rights of all, without regard to physical or psychological differences. We deplore media stereotypes that focus on a person's disability rather than on their strengths and abilities, and the physical and social barriers that prevent the full participation by people with disabilities in vital spheres of life.

1. We call for full enforcement of all sections of the Americans with Disabilities Act so that all public and private buildings, facilities, and modes of transportation are accessible to disabled people, and every effort is made to employ persons with disabilities.

2. We oppose any effort to limit the protections of the Americans with Disabilities Act by restricting the definition of who is considered a person with a disability, and we call for an amendment to the act that would permit punitive damages for the complainants in ADA cases.

3. We call for enforcement of Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 that mandates equal employment practices and physical accessibility for entities receiving federal funding; and call for the removal of the prohibition against the right of private action presently contained in Section 504.

4. We call for full funding for a network of support for people with physical, mental, and developmental disabilities, including home assistance, recreation centers, guaranteed income, voting access, and quality control in residential facilities; and for the inclusion of people with disabilities on all local and state governing boards and commissions.

5. We call for the continuation of full Social Security benefits for people with disabilities who are able to work part-time, and affirmative action quotas for hiring people with disabilities at union wages.

6. We oppose any efforts of the federal government to further limit access to SSDI (Supplemental Security Disability Income Insurance) by restricting their definitions of who is considered a person with a disability..

7. We call for the full funding of high-quality education and training programs for people with disabilities, and an expansion of the Individuals With Disabilities In Education Act (IDEA) which would include greater funding for the hiring of paraprofessionals in public schools.

8. We call for an amendment of the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA) to include a prohibition against the denial of credit based on disability.

Seniors
The Socialist Party recognizes the right of seniors to a dignified life, free from economic hardship, social isolation, and discrimination in employment and credit. Sufficient income, housing, health care, medication, and access to social services must be guaranteed to all elders.

1. We oppose the privatization of the Social Security system and the use of Social Security trust funds for any other purpose, such as offsetting the federal deficit.

2. We demand that the Social Security system remain entirely within the public sector, with funding derived from a steeply graduated income tax on all income, earned and unearned.

3. We call for the inclusion of all state and local government workers within the Social Security System.

4. We call for the right of retirement at age 55 a minimum annual retirement income of $25,000, tax free, and protected from inflation by cost of living increases.

5. We call for a cap on Social Security benefits so that no beneficiary receives more than three times the income of those receiving the minimum.

6. We support an increase in home service, including home-delivered quality meals and the provision of personal aid devices and physical therapy, so that older people can remain independent in their homes and community.

7. We call for jobs and training for seniors who do not wish to retire.

8. We support the formation of publicly funded and democratically controlled senior centers that provide opportunities for social and recreational activities and community involvement.

9. We call for the election of advocates and ombudspersons by assemblies of seniors and caregivers to ensure the protection of residents’ rights in nursing homes and a stimulating environment in group and nursing home situations.

10. We support hospice care, and a person's right to die with dignity in a manner of their choosing.

Women
The Socialist Party is a socialist feminist organization that recognizes that a struggle against habitual male dominance and patriarchy must go hand in hand with any struggle against capitalism. Therefore, we pledge our opposition to all forms of sexism, and demand equality in all aspects of life.

1. We demand full support for every woman's right to choose when, if, and how to have children, including the right to free abortion on demand at any stage of pregnancy, without interference or coercion. Clinics providing abortion services must have the full protection of the law.

2. We call for the repeal of the Hyde Amendment and all other legislation that limits access to abortion services, thus denying "the right to choose" to millions of women, particularly low-income women, women of color, and young women. We demand full reproductive freedom for all women by removing all discriminating barriers to reproductive rights and reproductive health care.

3. We call for the banning of all involuntary sterilizations. We oppose the performing of any medical research or medical procedure without a woman's full knowledge and consent.

4. We demand that local governments place a priority on preventing violence toward women, with coordinated programs to educate, provide shelter for women and children, and vigorously protect women from their abusers.

5. We call for the decriminalization of prostitution and demand that sex workers, just like all women workers, are guaranteed a full range of health, social, and legal services; and working conditions free from harassment, violence, and exploitation

6. We call for 16 months paid leave to be shared by new parents or in its entirety by a single parent, and the expansion and full-funding of high-quality child care facilities.

7. We support comprehensive educational and training opportunities, comparable worth laws, and affirmative action for women. We believe that women should be able to enter any occupation they choose, without hindrance.

8. We believe that women should be free to improve their working lives through unions and other organizations, and that work at home, including child care, should be shared to enable women to fully participate in society.

9. We call for organizational structure based on mutual consideration and respect, rotating leadership, gender balance, and processes that welcome and enable open and equitable participation in discussion and decision-making.

Youth
The Socialist Party believes that the right of all children to nurturing, protection, and education by caring adults must be staunchly upheld, and that a young person does not have fewer rights because he or she is a minor. Therefore, we believe that all Constitutional and human rights belonging to older people belong to younger people as well, and must be defended with equal vigor and determination

1) We support the immediate ratification by the United States of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.

2) We call for children's allowances that will help ensure that every child's basic rights and needs are satisfied in a stimulating, empowering, and caring environment.

3. We support free, quality care and education for all children and young people, federally financed and community controlled through democratically elected local boards that will include youth members.

4. We support the rights of minors to be free of any kind of child abuse or neglect whether physical, mental, emotional, or sexual.

5. We oppose measures that increase responsibilities and penalties on youth ostensibly to curb crime.

6. We call for an end to military draft registration, and an end to military recruiting in educational institutions.

7. We call for the abolition of parent consent and notification laws for reproductive health services, including abortion.

8. We call for the right to comprehensive sex education in school that includes birth control methods, STD protection, and information about being GLBTQ.

9. We call for the lowering of the voting age to 15

10. We oppose age-based curfew laws.

2008-2009 Platform: Human Needs

Arts and Culture
The Socialist Party believes that art is an integral part of daily life, and should not be treated as a commodity produced by the activity of an elite group. All members of society should have ample opportunities for participation in art and cultural activities.
1. We support the formation of collectives, arts centers and schools, independent media, theaters and festivals to advance such cultural endeavors as music, poetry, prose, drama, dance, storytelling, visual art, and videography.

2. We support guaranteed incomes and grants for artists and performers.

3. We support making schools and workplaces available as cultural centers.

4. We call for full funding of community and school arts programs for people of all ages.

5. We call for full funding to keep libraries, museums, cultural centers, and historic sites open and accessible to all.

6. We call for the preservation of literature, art, music, dance, oral traditions, and audio and video recordings that have arisen out of people's experiences: young and old, of all nationalities and colors, sexual preferences, working, un- and under-employed, and disabled.

7. We support the autonomy of artists of color, women artists, and disabled artists in their creative work.

8. We support the right of artists to join and form unions to protect their labor rights and to form collectives to advance common artistic visions.

Education
The Socialist Party recognizes the right of students of all ages to a free, quality education in a safe and supportive environment, and of all school employees to good wages, benefits, and working conditions.
1. We call for full and equal funding of public education; for the restoration of a comprehensive K-12 curriculum, including art, music, world languages, and physical education; for an end to all public funding of private schools; and for free tuition and full-time teachers with full benefits (not "adjuncts") at the post-secondary level.

2. We support public child care starting from infancy, and public education starting at age three, with caregivers and teachers of young children receiving training, wages, and benefits comparable to that of teachers at every other level of the educational system.

3. We oppose merit pay for teachers, standardized testing, competition between schools within the same district, the sale of on-campus advertising in order to raise funds, and the increasing dependence of post-secondary institutions on corporate funding.

4. We call for an egalitarian educational system with teaching methods that accommodate the wide range of teaching and learning styles, and that provides all students with the means to obtain the post-secondary education they desire. We call a maximum of 15 students per teacher for grades K-12, and a maximum of 50 students per teacher at the post-secondary level.

5. We call for vigorous affirmative action programs so that the faculty and student-body of all schools reflect the community at large in terms of race/ethnicity, gender, and economic background. We support multicultural, multilingual, experimental education at all levels.

6. We support student, parent, and teacher control of curriculum formation, and in the hiring and dismissal procedures of school personnel, through the formation of local school/community committees.

7. We call for student representation on school boards, and for those boards to be fully accountable to students, parents, teachers, and school workers.

8. We call for opportunities for lifelong self-education, with retraining programs and transitional financial support for workers displaced by technological advances.

9. We support full and unrestricted health education programs, including sex education, with curriculum input from parents, students, teachers, and health care professionals.

10. We oppose school-sponsored prayer or any other religious practice in public schools, and all efforts to limit the teaching of evolution or to combine it with non-scientific theories.

11. We call for free and open access to information, including the public ownership of all large databases.

Health Care
The Socialist Party stands for a socialized health care system based on universal coverage, salaried doctors and health care workers, and revenues derived from a steeply graduated income tax.
1. We support a national health program with full standard and alternative medical, dental, vision, and mental health coverage for all, publicly funded through progressive taxation and controlled by democratically elected assemblies of health care workers and patients. The National Health Program should extend, and replace, Medicare and Medicaid.

2. We call for a health care system that emphasizes preventive care, respects patients' privacy, gives special attention to the needs of the physically and mentally disabled, and conducts treatment and research unimpaired by sexism, racism, or homophobia.

3. We call for full funding for AIDS research, prevention, and treatment. We demand full civil rights for people living with AIDS.

4. We call for public ownership and worker and community control of the pharmaceutical industry.

5. We call for educational programs to help prevent drug addiction; for voluntary treatment programs for addicts and alcoholics; and for the availability of free, sterile needles for those still using IV drugs.

6. We call for the reinstatement of funding to community mental health services so that low-cost or no-cost treatment is available on a voluntary basis, with clients' rights respected. We oppose involuntary incarceration for treatment without due process.

7. We support the right to choose or refuse medical treatment, the right to die, and the right to assisted suicide.

Housing
The Socialist Party recognizes the right of all people to high quality, low cost housing.
1. We call for a vast increase in Section 8 housing subsidies as one element of major public investment in the construction of low cost, scattered site, community-based, high quality housing.

2. We call for rent control for all rental units, and the right of tenants to organize.

3. We support the formation of non-profit land trusts and of socially owned, tenant controlled housing cooperatives.

4. We call for the organization of a housing rehabilitation program aimed at renovating and remodeling existing homes to bring them up to housing and safety codes, as part of a broader public works program.

5. We call for an end to home foreclosures

Transportation
The Socialist Party calls for extensive public transportation in both urban and rural areas.
1. We call for the creation of a fully funded high-speed national rail system with fares set low enough to be a viable alternative to the use of the automobile.

2. We call for an end to the expansion of the interstate highway system and the reduction of combustion engine/auto based transport.

3. We call for government subsidized programs to expand safe routes for foot and bicycle paths.

4. We call for pedestrian ways, accessible by mass transit, which exclude vehicles from the downtown area of cities and towns.

5. We support publicly funded development of renewable fuels.

6. We support federally funded auto insurance.

7. We call for public ownership and worker control of the airline industry.

2008-2009 Platform: Environment

We call for public ownership and democratic control of all our natural resources in order to conserve resources, preserve our wilderness areas, and restore environmental quality.

The U.S. must immediately return to participation in international agreements, such as the Kyoto Protocol, limiting carbon emissions, and accept a major role in worldwide efforts to control global warming.

We call for placing full financial responsibility on private companies for prevention and clean up of their own toxic wastes and for full compensation of workers and residents adversely affected by environmental hazards.

We oppose policies that target minority communities for placement of local landfills, toxic waste disposal sites, or incinerators.

We call for strong, enforceable endangered species protection that focuses on habitat-centered protection for plants and animals.

We oppose any new nuclear power projects and call for the rapid phasing out of all nuclear power plants, and a ban on the export of nuclear technology.

We support the recycling of glass, metals, plastic, paper, and chemicals and the use of recycled materials for public works projects such as roadways, parks, and playgrounds.

We call for shutting down waste incinerators and phasing out landfills and especially oppose targeting minority communities for hazardous waste disposal sites.

We oppose open-pit mining operations and support the reclamation of land used by mining operations at the company’s expense.

We support large-scale environmental restoration efforts.

2008-2009 Platform: Civil Rights

Bill of Rights
The Socialist Party is committed to the rights of free speech, free press, free assembly, and personal privacy, and the freedom of religious choice through the separation of church and state.

1. We condemn the so-called War on Terrorism and call for the immediate repeal of the U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T Acts and the Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act.
2. We call for the elimination of the Dept.of Homeland Security and the sweeping police powers accorded to it.
3. We demand the exclusion of the military from domestic law enforcement.
4. We call for the abolition of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
5. We oppose so-called anti-terrorist measures and criminal code reforms that restrict legitimate dissent.
6. We oppose all forms of censorship both legislative and institutional


Immigration
The Socialist Party works to build a world in which everyone will be able to freely move across borders, to visit and to live wherever they choose.

We recognize the central role global capitalism plays in forcing the immigration of people from the less developed to the more industrialized countries, often leading to further economic and social injustice.

1. We support secular democratic states, assuring equal rights to every citizen and resident in accordance with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
2. We oppose the militarization of the United States/Mexican border, and an increase in the service budget instead of the "military" budget of the INS.
3. We defend the rights of all immigrants to education, health care, and full civil and legal rights and call for an unconditional amnesty program for all undocumented people. We oppose the imposition of any fees on those receiving amnesty.
4. We call for an end to the use of "secret evidence" in deportation hearings, a ban on all immigration detentions and military tribunals, and full due process and habeus corpus rights in U.S. courts for all non-citizens on U.S. territory or in U.S. custody.
5. We demand an end to police raids in areas where immigrants congregate.
6. We oppose "guest worker" programs. We call for full citizenship rights upon demonstrating residency for six months.


Free and Fair Elections
The Socialist Party stands for political activity independent of the two major corporate parties. We view electoral activity as an important component of the struggle for fundamental social change. Participation as socialists in local, state, and national elections is a valuable way to clarify our position on a wide range of issues, of broadly disseminating our principles and programs, and of asserting and reaffirming our commitment to the democratic process. We believe that capitalism is fundamentally incompatible with democracy and that true democracy can only be achieved with society’s transformation to socialism.

1. We support the public financing of candidates for public office as long as this funding extends to the candidates of alternative political parties.
2. We call for strict limits on the use of personal funds in elections, either for one's own campaign or for that of another candidate.
3. We oppose representation based on anything other than population.
4. We support the introduction of proportional representation at every level of government.
5. We call for uniform ballot access laws for all states that give all political parties a chance to have their candidates on the ballot.
6. We call for the closing of the loophole sanctioned by the Supreme Court which allows candidates to spend an unlimited sum of their personal wealth on their own campaigns.
7. We call for the elimination of the Electoral College and support instant run-off voting of all elected officials.
8. We stand opposed to the disenfranchising of any U.S. citizen by the federal, state, or local government.
9. We demand greater access to media for all political parties and free, equal access to all forms of mass media for all candidates
10. We call for full representation for the U.S. territories of Guam and Puerto Rico, all Native American reservations, and the District of Columbia.
11. We call for the restoration of the right to vote for all citizens incarcerated in jails and prisons
12. We call for a mandatory paper trail of all votes to allow for recounts and verification.

Legal Justice
The Socialist Party recognizes the right of all people to equal treatment under the law, and to a humane criminal sanction system based on prevention, mediation, restitution, and rehabilitation rather than on vengeance, forced labor, and profits for the prison-industrial complex.

1. We call for free, quality, legal and court services with skilled and experienced attorneys of choice for all.
2. We call for prosecution of the criminal activities of politicians, corporate managers, and other privileged individuals, rather than the over-emphasis on minor infractions by working class people and for a sliding scale of fines based on income
3. We call for the expansion of community release programs and other alternatives to prisons, and for a moratorium on new prison construction.
4. We call for support services for prisoners and prisoners' families to reduce ostracism, maintain family ties, and provide for non-degrading visitation policies.
5. We call for the immediate closure of all “Supermax” prisons and abolition of “prisons for profit”.
6. We call for the abolition of prison labor for profit, forced labor (“chain gangs”) and the use of prison labor to perform state services.
7. We call for the right of prisoners to organize unions and cooperative groups to negotiate for better living conditions
8. We call for the immediate establishment of completely independent and democratically elected police control and oversight councils, with full power to fire police and to arrest, detain, and indict police officers who brutalize or abuse people or who commit any violation of laws or civil rights and liberties.
9. We call for the ultimate replacement of the police with community residents trained in conflict resolution who live in and serve the community under community control.
10. We call for community response services for crime victims, including the establishment of crisis centers and shelters for victims of domestic violence, spousal and child abuse, and rape and incest.
11. We support federal buyout programs for arms, federal safety standards and licensing for arms, and community-based public training for gun owners.
12. We call for the decriminalization of drug use and the regulation of narcotics by doctors through the use of prescriptions rather than by the criminal justice system.
13. We call for the redirection of funds spent on the "war on drugs" to comprehensive community-based, client-controlled rehabilitation programs.
14. We call for the abolition of the death penalty.

Media and Intellectual Property
An ever-smaller band of huge corporations controls virtually all news and entertainment media. The Socialist Party stands for the right of ordinary people to express opinions and communicate freely by vastly extending the public sector of all forms of mass media. Ultimately, a genuine democratization of the mass media will require a democratic socialist transformation of society. Within such a society, free expression will flourish, allowing for the broadest expression of viewpoints and perspectives.

1. We support the breakup of large media companies so that no one company or individual owns more than one newspaper, radio or television station, or television channel. We call for the re-regulation of the communications industry (in particular, the assertion of public ownership rights over radio and television frequencies).
2. We call for government ownership of satellite and cable companies with revenues generated by these operations allocated to a publicly controlled fund to finance innovative visual and audio programming (including movies), over the air radio and television, and cable and satellite programming. The fund would also greatly increase the money going to community cable programming.
3. We support public funding of newspapers and magazines. Any non-profit organization that publishes a journal would receive public funding in proportion to its paid subscriber list.
4. We oppose all efforts to trim "fair use" rights, such as the right to excerpt a copyrighted work in a review.
5. We call for the repeal of all existing copyright extension laws.
6. We oppose legislation to force electronics manufacturers to build "Digital Rights Management" into computers and appliances.
7. We oppose private ownership of the Internet backbone. We call for direct public ownership of at least 50% of the total bandwidth and for democratic ownership and control of the Internet domain naming system.

2008-2009 Platform: Energy

The Socialist Party stands for municipal ownership and control of energy plants, in a non-profit and decentralized, but coordinated, system that ensures the most careful use of natural resources.

1. We call for the development of alternative energy sources including solar, geothermal, wind, hydropower, and biomass to end dependence on fossil fuels.

2. We call for a sliding-scale index which favors low-income people, to ensure that all people have access to utility services.

3. We call for mandatory vitrification (encapsulation) of all spent nuclear fuel, control rods and other waste.

4. We call for a ban on all imports of nuclear materials, whether they are vitrified or not.

2008-2009 Platform: Agriculture

The Socialist Party supports a system of ecologically based, sustainable, organic agriculture based on family farms and farming cooperatives that guarantee full workers' rights to their employees, uphold all environmental and safety standards, and treat their live-stock in a humane manner. We support the creation of socially owned enterprises in the areas of transportation, storage, and processing of agricultural goods, controlled by boards comprised of farmers, farm workers, and community members.

1. We call for strong organic standards, gradually lessened government price supports for non-organic food production, and strong government incentives for conservation initiatives.

2. We call for public ownership and worker control of existing corporate farms, support exiting state bans on corporate farms, and support a federal ban on the establishment of new corporate farms.

3. We call for a parity system that guarantees farmers a full return on the cost of production

4. We call for the repudiation of all current farm debts for working farmers.

5. We call for family farmers whose land was taken in foreclosures to be given their land and equipment back, or be given comparable land and equipment or monetary compensation

6. We call for a total ban on Genetically Engineered crops

7. We encourage plant diversity, and oppose the creating, patenting, and licensing of life forms.

8. We oppose industrial meat production in all its environmentally destructive forms, including hog confinements, cattle feedlots, and industrial poultry production.

9. We call for a ban on irradiation of food. We particularly condemn the 2002 Farm Bill which allows irradiated food to be mislabeled "pasteurized."

10. We support the right of farm workers to negotiate contracts with canneries.

11. We call for country-of-origin labeling on agricultural products.

12. We call for the elimination of the use of pesticides.

13. We call for low-cost loans, grants, and technical help to farmers including help shifting farm production from non-essentials to staple foods and fibers.

14. We encourage the reintroduction of hemp farming.

2008-2009 Platform: Animal Rights

1. The Socialist Party recognizes the rights of animals to live free from unnecessary pain and suffering, and the responsibility of people to protect those rights.

2. We support the spaying and neutering of pets to prevent the massive extermination resulting from overpopulation.

3. We oppose entertainment that causes pain to animals.

4. We call for the banning of the fur trade.

5. We support greater inclusion and enforcement of the Endangered Species Act.

6. We call for a ban on animal experimentation for product development, and for an oversight board to examine and limit the use of animals in scientific and medical research.

7. We oppose factory farming practices of overcrowding, drugging, and otherwise cruelly treating animals.


http://socialistparty-usa.org/platform/
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 07:30 PM
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48. That's the funniest thing I've read all day.
Enjoy your (brief) stay.
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Artful Dodger Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 08:49 PM
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53. Show me a list...
of the planks in their platform that you don't agree with.
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Joe Holmes Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 01:07 AM
Response to Reply #53
70. Actually, some of that
Socialist stuff sounds pretty damn good! But letting 15-year olds vote, well, not so much....
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 08:30 PM
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49. take a fucking nap.
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Artful Dodger Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 08:50 PM
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54. You need to wake up.
n/t
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 09:07 PM
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56. we are very much awake
now take a hike
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Artful Dodger Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 09:18 PM
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61. Well, if you’re awake….
perhaps you could take the time to compose a list as none of the others have felt inclined to do so.

I’m waiting.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 05:57 AM
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77. I am a literal card-carrying memver of the Socialist Party
You, sir, are no Socialist.

And neither is Obama, Clinton, Edwrads, Biden, et al.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #43
87. 90% of that sounds
pretty fucking good. Whats your problem?
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:20 PM
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7. Damn, he drank the koolaid n/t
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #7
24. He also once dated Diana Ross.
He's on something potent and strong.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:20 PM
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8. Poor Angie!
This guy has DOGGED her, and she
nobly ignores him when she can.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:20 PM
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9. Fear not Jon ...
anti-social people are in no imminent danger of wising up.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:23 PM
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10. Angelina Jolie must be so proud
Edited on Mon Jul-28-08 05:23 PM by lame54
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:25 PM
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11. No Wonder He & Angelina
are estranged.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:29 PM
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17. my thoughts exactly.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:26 PM
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12. Thx for yr concern, Jon...
..ya fuckin' moron.

- as
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ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:26 PM
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13. Read throught some of the comments at that link
They must be selecting them to balance it out, there is no way that many people agree.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:34 PM
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21. Yeah, they're of course allowing all of the ridiculous comments that support his view.
Jon Voight is batshit crazy. I had to read that thing twice. He is certifiable.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:27 PM
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14. Wait, Jon Voight is still alive?
Or was that his career that died?
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:34 PM
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22. His career AND his brain, apparently.
Edited on Mon Jul-28-08 05:35 PM by americanstranger
WAY too many drugs in the Sixties, IMO.

- as
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:27 PM
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15. I liked him in Conrack. Why do people become dumb and republican when
they get old?
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:29 PM
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16. His brother wrote "Wild Thing"
the song
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:30 PM
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18. remember the Will Smith movie?
I think it was Enemy of the State about govt surveillance?

Voight played a crooked republican congressman. Now that I think of it, that role was probably well suited to him.......meaning that he wasn't playing a role, he was more likely playing himself!!
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:40 PM
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28. I loved that movie. Funny thing is, I don't even remember him in it!
Was he the guy who killed someone by the lake in the beginning? Gosh, he is so forgettable.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:51 PM
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34. the next Fred Thompson then!
Republicans love their actors, after all.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:32 PM
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19. so basically the fact his daughter dislikes him
is Obama's fault. I sucked as a father but it's the liberals fault. Another personal responsibility rethug failure.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:33 PM
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20. "Our country will be weakened in every way...."
As in,

It will be so weak that a feeble minded pResident will be able to lure us into an illegal immoral war based on lies and subterfuge....

It will be so weak that it won't be able to protect its own citizens from a hurricane, nor will it try to...

It will be so weak that the dollar will dwindle in value to levels seldom if ever seen...

It will be so weak that the military will be brought to its breaking point by one already defeated nation around the globe...

It will be so weak that it will condone torture, circumvent habeus corpus, and shred much of the constitution our forefathers fought to uphold...

It will be so weak that 1/5 of its citizens will lack proper healthcare...

It will be so weak that it will not be able to provide an environment that discourages the shipping of jobs overseas while encouraging visas for foreigners who many of the jobs that are left...

It will be so weak that the judicial will be owned by the executive...

It will be so weak that scandal is another name for republican...

It will be so weak that using WMD's becomes acceptable... but damn them reporters who aren't in bed with us who talk too much and who have bodyguards loyal enough to take a bullet for them.

WARNING: GRAPHIC SCENES OF DEATH:

Fallujah, la strage nascosta - Parte 1
http://youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=I5evHB7uXl8
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:35 PM
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23. Seriously..what fucking Planet does jon, I'm still a republicon after
Edited on Mon Jul-28-08 05:36 PM by zidzi
8 years of bush, voight live on?

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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:38 PM
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25. What an arrogant and presumptuous work of fiction.
All this article tells me is Jon Voight doesn't know jack shit.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:40 PM
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27. Oscar night 1979
Jon Voight weeping with emotion while Laurence Olivier accepted his honorary award in 1979.

Unfortunately, Olivier was rambling badly and made NO SENSE at ALL.. (He may have been soused).. No matter. Voight was impressed to tears anyway..

It was very funny.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:42 PM
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29. I honestly think he has a mental issue..
he sounds like a nutcase.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:44 PM
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30. What garbage. Bet he's a freeper. Every Hannity talking point in one story.
If he's so paranoid, let's hope he leaves the country after an Obama win.

What a hater.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:45 PM
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31. Makes Sense
Him an McCain share the same family values. Cheat on your spouse than abandon your wife and children for the new model and write a few checks to make it all better.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #31
69. Minus the checks
Angelina, her mother and her brother had a very hard time financially after he left them.

Decent actors aren't always decent human beings.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:46 PM
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32. I'll never look at "National Treasure" the same way again.
Thank god for Nick Cage and Justin Bartha.
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #32
45. "Midnight Cowboy" was a favorite of mine
with him and Dustin Hoffman.

That was during the Vietnam-era period he says he was caught up in.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:48 PM
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33. Mad Libs for "conservatives!"
All that is missing is whining about the "General Betrayus" ad.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:52 PM
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35. Agree he is an FI
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:54 PM
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36. I love how he starts out with "as a parent"
...as a parent who has an estranged daughter and turned his back on his family, you mean.

Just because you donated some sperm does not make you an authority on parenthood, John.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 08:34 PM
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50. Imagine what Dustin Hoffman thinks
of his ol sidekick?
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:56 PM
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37. haha
This is coming from the man who said "God answered our prayers and sent us Rudy Giuliani!"

It's so pathetic watching him on those entertainment shows. They ask him about Angelina's kids, and he says "Yeah, she just got out of the hospital!" Dude, you find out your Angelina news the same place the rest of us do, from US Weekly. Don't pretend like we don't know you were iced out of that family .I remember when he went on tv just after Angelina adopted for the first time, and said that his daughter was "unstable". Prick.
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choie Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 06:05 PM
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40. Huh? Clark was relieved of command?
Edited on Mon Jul-28-08 06:13 PM by choie
Um ... what? Is this a mudslinging meme that I've missed? I admit I don't follow Clark's career religiously, but I thought Clark retired. And while I know I don't hunt down all the wingnut talking points, Voight's implication that Gen. Clark was forced out in disgrace is a new one on me. Where is he getting this crap, other than the voices in his mind, that is?
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 06:06 PM
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41. God Jon - you are an idiot...
I would be a much stronger Obama supporter if I thought he was moving this country toward socialism. Sadly, I don't see it.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 06:36 PM
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44. Poor Jon...
His senility is showing.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 07:04 PM
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46. Jon Voigt on Glenn Beck video
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 08:38 PM
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51. Geesh I didn't know he was an
IDIOT. :wow:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 08:42 PM
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52. I'm a 22yo socialist in the tradition of E. V. Debs and I'm proud of it
Growing up in a poor rural community in the post-Reagan era left a deep impression on me.

Let me guess, this moran is a Baby Boomer? His brain is definitely stuck in 60s.
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 09:32 PM
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62. Jon Voight is 71 years old so please
stop blaming the baby boomers and the sixties for every stupid old person out there. He is known as a hawk and a republican supporter. What part of the sixties is it you think he is stuck in? Because this is not a late sixties/early seventies mentality that I remember.

By the way, I am two weeks too old to be a baby boomer, but I am offended by your comments about the age group that I so closely resemble. I have supported Obama since 2004. I have been left leaning for longer than you have been alive. Anti-war since the sixties, and anti-bush since the first time I heard of him, and actively worked against him being elected both in 2000 and 2004. So before you judge a whole generation by the rantings of one idiotic person, think about it for a while and then check your facts. I wouldn't say that every twenty year old is an idiot and stuck in a kindergarten mentality because of what Brittany Spears or some other celebrity who has sawdust for brains says.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 02:44 AM
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73. So Voight is another Viagra using, Bush warmonger, big fuckin' deal.
Anytime old men with little, shriveled dicks start ranting about continuing wars I wonder if they served themselves.

Voight didn't, so he can suck my dick - and the dick of every soldier serving today because of his "hero worship" of Bush and McCain.

Fuck him.

And by the way, John Wayne was another old man with a little shriveled dick from Hollywood who had never served, and he backed the Vietnam war, and he wasn't a baby boomer.

By the way, you don't have to be a baby boomer to be against the war.
World War I had its share of detractors as well as WWII, the Korean war, and the Vietnam war.
The detractors of WWII were Republicans back then.
They weren't against the war as much as they were partisan assholes who didn't like FDR, who was the greatest President of the 20th Century.


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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 09:46 AM
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90. By the way,
I couldn't stand John Wayne either. He was a member of the John Birch Society and supported the McCarthy hearings, if I remember right. As far as I am concerned the man only made two good movies and those are 'Shepherd of the Hills' and 'The Quiet Man'. Okay, I don't particularly like westerns or war movies so that may cause me to be prejudice as far as movies are concerned.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:57 AM
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84. Oh, I wasn't attacking Boomers in general, sorry if it sounded that way.
I just get ticked off at ones that seem to see everything in terms of what was going on in the 60s and 70s. On the Right, for example, you have the morans that constantly rant about us as "McGovernite hippies" or something similar
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 09:16 AM
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86. Glad to hear you are not a baby boomer hater. ; )
I'm a non-generational hater. :)

There are good and bad in every generation, just as there are in every group.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 01:19 AM
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72. Ah youth. Did you know a lot of folks who grew up in the 60's fought for civil rights,
against the war, for the poor and for a better environment. Do you think you are the only generation who has ever cared? I look around and see a lot of apathy among young people. I see lots of kids who love their cell phones and computers and parties and don't give a hell about anything but personal enjoyment. I've been disappointed that at least in the US the anti-war movement on campus has been pretty abysmal as compared to the sixties. Of course they had a draft then and you don't. We have good kids too who do care and do get off their asses and don't blame boomers for all that is wrong in this country.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 12:08 PM
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95. Of course young people know that. Boomers never fucking shut up about it.
:eyes:
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 09:04 PM
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55. I'd love to see a Socialist era in my life time. Like FDR
But unfortunately Jon Voight is an idiot and Obama is far more conservative than the RW's try to paint him.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 09:07 PM
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57. So is your daughter Angelina a socialist? Oh yeah I forgot! She don't talk
to you!
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Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 09:12 PM
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58. This Voight guy really sucks.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 09:13 PM
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59. fuck yea.
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 09:13 PM
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60. Well. If someone as culturally relevant as Jon Voight says so
I'd better pay attention.

:eyes:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:53 AM
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79. Joe Buck will forever be "culturally relevant". Seriously.
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:54 AM
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83. I said Jon Voight.
Just because he played a character who had an impact on our culture doesn't mean the actor himself has his finger on the pulse of current culture for the rest of time and is relevant forever. Stars fade.

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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 11:38 AM
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92. Point taken.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 09:32 PM
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63. OK, that's enough Beefeater for Grandpa.
Edited on Mon Jul-28-08 09:38 PM by HughBeaumont
"The Democratic Party, in its quest for power, has managed a propaganda campaign with subliminal messages, creating a God-like figure in a man who falls short in every way." Uhhhhhhh . . .. HOW? What medium do Democrats have control over?

"The Democrats have targeted young people, knowing how easy it is to bring forth whatever is needed to program their minds." Uh . . Pot, Meet Kettle. Just call him "Black".

"while a misleading portrait of Mr. Obama is being perpetrated by a media controlled by the Democrats" Dude. I mean. Seriously. DUDE. You aren't tossing this much-much-MUCH debunked "liberal media" canard in the air, are you? COME on Jon. You know bette . . . well, I guess you don't. Sorry.

"the Obama camp has sent out people to attack the greatness of Sen. John McCain" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: OH FUCK OH GOD :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: You magnificent douche . .. Obama couldn't care LESS about McClown! All that old fuck can DO is attack Obama in his ads! I mean, let's face it . .. it's not like McCane; or really, ANY Republican of the last 30 years, has a giant bag of attributes and positive accomplishments to RUN on, so all he and they can do is attack their opponents. Have you ever listened to McClown SPEAK? He's as compelling as a Payless shoebox.

"If, God forbid, we live to see Mr. Obama president, we will live through a socialist era that America has not seen before, and our country will be weakened in every way."

OK, Jon Boy, you just turned "mildly amusing in deluded old senior fashion" and went full bore into piss me the fuck OFF mode. You stupid shit, your goddamned Repubilcan'ts and their "Corporations and the Wealthy First and Only, Fuck the Rest of The World" way of running things ruined America economically, defensively, judicially, in education and on the world platform.

We've retreated into the bitter, paranoid "Red Scare" America of the post-WWII age while many of these socialistic governments of Scandanavia and Europe that you think are such a plague are actually outperforming us in education, health care, citizen welfare, quality of life, government, infrastructure, technology and cleanliness. You want to believe America just cannot be America unless they have an enemy, created or not (usually created), because life just HAS to be one goddamned competition that's meant to be won or lost and we just HAVE to be NUMMER WON in everything, don't we?

YOUR way is the WRONG way. Republicanism is an experiment that fails before it puts on a lab coat. Republicans and their way of ruling FAILED us. Unbridled corporatism FAILED us. Freidman Economics FAILED us. Market-driven solutions to solve all of our problems, most notably the awful health care system we're currently screwn with, FAILED us. Rampant pro-profit and continuous militarism (regardless of its lack of need) FAILED us. Free Trade FAILED us. Not being benevolent and only caring about ME ME ME FAILED us. Fearmongering FAILED us. Having faith that the wealthy and their politicians can be trusted to repair what they broke . . . over and over and over again . . . FAILS us.

Your president, John McClown, Petraeus, Cheney, Rove, Rice, that shitbastard Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Weyrich, all of these motherfucking pundits and apologist bootshiners, the wealthy, it's media and all of it's paid liars, fluffers, trollops, asskissers and other assorted ornaments, can all lube yourselves up with your corporate media slime drippings, wind it up real nice and perpetually fuck yourselves in a giant conservative whirlwind until the sun dies, you asshat piece of garbage.

Beaumont OUT!
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:40 PM
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65. Hard to beleive this crap from the guy who starred in Coming Home
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 12:38 AM
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67. I Thought He Was Eaten By A Giant Anaconda...
Oh that's right, he was 'puked out.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 01:11 AM
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71. It's the MOONIE TIMES, what do you expect??
Edited on Tue Jul-29-08 01:12 AM by 48percenter
:eyes: :boring:

Edit: No wonder Angelina doesn't have much to do with her moron of a father.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 02:49 AM
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74. HAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
i can't stop laughing at this .
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 03:31 AM
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75. It does amaze how either out of the loop or how huge a liar
some can be.

Obama is unfortunately, totally on board with global capitalist market. It's bizarre they fear and hate a very effective advocate for their goal's end game. Imagine the lashing out against a different form of economics.

Why be so partisan that you argue with yourself?

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 05:03 AM
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76. Amazing.. It always irks me when RICH people
grouse about "socialism"... The greater good for ALL people is the only SAFE way to run a society, no matter what label you use to describe it..

and BTW, Jon...no one gives a shit WHAT you think..

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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:51 AM
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78. Makes Angelina look rational.
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alwysdrunk Donating Member (908 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:55 AM
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80. You guys are all better than me, I couldn't even read this
I had to stop after this:

"We cannot say we are not affected by teachers who are militant and angry. We know too well that we become like them, and Mr. Obama will run this country in their mindset."

What the hell? This guy is a nut.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:56 AM
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81. Damn socialism. Next thing you know Voight's maid will get healthcare.
:hurts: (I've always wanted to use the toilet smilie and it has no relation to this remark.)
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:04 AM
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82. It's disappointing to see Voight go on the attack like this.
Especially with more bias than fact.

He sure was good as Joe Buck in MIDNIGHT COWBOY.

But then that was the late 60s or so, early 70s? Something like that. And another time from now.


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bikoman Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 08:53 AM
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85. What's wrong with socialism?
Power to the people - right?
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 09:20 AM
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88. Wow, I had no idea Voight was so right-wing
I didn't know that much about him, admittedly, beyond his movie roles, but I once read a magazine interview with him in which he came across as a bit of a hippy. Mind you, that was 20 years ago or so. Maybe he's just another boomer who's got his and now wants to pull up the ladder for everyone else.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 09:23 AM
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89. this is possibly why angelina avoids him
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 11:43 AM
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93.  I remember how when he came back from Viet Nam, a paraplegic, how he spoke out against the war so
strongly.

What's happened to him?

:crazy:
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:33 PM
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96. it was Jane Fonda's fault
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 11:53 AM
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94. wow...never knew he was this extreme in his views
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