Obama-Biden 2008... all the way, babe.... let's WIN THIS F*CKER!

[ReverendDeuce]

Biden for VP. That is all!

[David Dunham]

1. Biden would be better than Kaine

[Mass]

2. Agree. In the list the media give, he is the only one that I can see.

[Dinger]

10. Key Words "media give," as in

media-given choices.

[Mass]

12. No disagreement here. As I said this morning, the media knows very little and

what they say should be taken with a lot of salt.

[Dinger]

14. That's For Sure (nt)

[DU9598]

3. And he thinks Obama is fresh and articulate

or whatever bonehead comment he made out of the gates.

[gateley]

7. Yeah, you're right - he's done nothing for this country other than say

things that are misrepresented in the press. He's such a loser.

[DU9598]

11. He is an amazing man

We would be well-served by him on the ticket. I was just being sarcastic that perhaps Obama would have closer ties with others.

[gateley]

15. Sorry I over-reacted.

I'm just weary of people pulling out the same old slams all the time, so tend to knee-jerk respond. :pals:

[grantcart]

62. Isn't an apology in a thread a violation of some rule lol

[Catch22Dem]

16. I've never fully understood that as an insult

I understand that when said by certain people ABOUT certain people under certain circumstances, it's terribly demeaning. However, I can say without question that I WISH I could be as articulate as Obama. Is that a bad thing to say? FWIW, I also wish I could be as articulate as Bill Clinton.

[ErinBerin84]

4. I know that people say Biden would be bad bc of baggage/can't control his mouth

/might not jive with "change message. and maybe rightly so.


but part of me (maybe a selfish , voyeuristic part) just wants it to happen bc it would be hysterical to watch Mittens vs Biden debates.

[Muttocracy]

31. Pay Per View. I haven't had a TV in years but I might have to buy one for that. :)

[DarthDem]

5. Me Three

Out of those three, it has to be Biden. Kaine is a "values" Gooper-lite, and won't necessarily deliver his state, so it's not worth the risk. Bayh is total milquetoast, certainly won't put Indiana over the top, and as a bonus, we lose a Senate seat that we may not get back for a generation.

[jobycom]

6. This has been the wierdest election cycle.

When did Biden become a hero again? He used to be such a punchline. The only time he didn't stick his foot in his mouth was when he was plagerising others, and his views on Iraq were about the same as Lieberman's for a long time. He's never met a poll he couldn't wrap himself around. Now people are acting like he's some great statesman.

There must be some Biden I don't remember. Oh well, we could do worse, I guess. I just don't understand this attraction.

[gateley]

8. Maybe you should check with the

troops in Iraq who now have MRAPs because of Biden's fight for them. Or the people of Darfur. Or the people with AIDS. Or...

[Radical Activist]

13. He's a joke and has no appeal in middle American.

He would be a disastrous choice and I can't believe anyone is taking the idea seriously. His analysis that Iraq was all sectarian strife, not a rebellion against the US occupation, is wrong and played into Bush's framing of the war.

[WheelWalker]

22. I respect your opinion...However, the fact that you apparently can't

understand (or at least believe) what so many others see so plainly perhaps ought give pause for deeper reflection. No?

[Radical Activist]

27. First, its not as though an overwhelming majority like him.

Second, a lot of people couldn't see why Hillary was completely unelectable in a primary or national election, despite her advantages of name recognition, more early media coverage and large donor base. One of the reasons is that people from some parts of the country don't have a very good idea of what kind of candidate appeals in the South and Midwest. People are making the same mistake with Biden. Maybe people from the east and west coast should take pause and start listening to people from middle America when we say a candidate doesn't play well in Peoria.

[Muttocracy]

34. Hillary's electability vs. Biden's - can't compare.

Most people don't know who Biden is vs. Clinton total name recognition. Clinton claimed 35 years of experience. Biden has it.

[Radical Activist]

35. And we can see from Biden's fantastic showing in the primary

exactly how much appeal he has. Sorry, but that settles the question. He never caught on.

[WheelWalker]

39. The question is settled for you. That is plain. Anon.

[Radical Activist]

44. The question should be settled for any reasonable person who saw how poorly he did in the primary.

I don't know how much more obvious it can be. Kucinich had more support.

[Muttocracy]

48. "Kucinich had more support" Wrong

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/IA.html

[Radical Activist]

49. That's only one state.

I wasn't referring to Iowa alone.

[Muttocracy]

58. but elsewhere it is ok to judge Biden's appeal based on Iowa alone?

[WheelWalker]

50. But it isn't settled, for many reasonable persons, is it. QED.

[WheelWalker]

76. You're entitled to your own opinion; but not your own facts.

You're talking about Iowa, I guess. The only competition in which Biden participated. First, Iowa wasn't even a primary, let alone "primaries." Second, Kucinich didn't even register on the Richter in that contest, well behind Biden. You're making yourself out to be a Radical Fool.

[Muttocracy]

40. Iowa proves you're wrong on name recognition and that the media

picked the 3 least experienced candidates.

[Radical Activist]

45. The media gave the most coverage to Hillary and she finished third

with Edwards coming in second. So no, Iowa did not go with who got the most media coverage.

Iowans are the last state to vote based on media coverage. You really don't know much about the Iowa caucus. They get to know the candidates up close. There are some very good reasons they picked Obama first and Hillary third. Media coverage wasn't one of them. Biden had the chance to introduce himself to Iowa voters and he had little to no support there. Its another example of how poorly he appeals to the Midwest for anyone who isn't too enamored with Biden to see the obvious.

[Muttocracy]

59. Biden, Dodd, and Richardson had as much media coverage as Obama, Clinton, and Edwards

Interesting theory.

[Radical Activist]

61. Oh come on. That's not what I wrote.

People in Iowa don't have to vote based on TV coverage because they get to meet the candidates in person and get much, much more material from the campaigns than the rest of it. So media coverage is not a convincing scapegoat for why Biden did poorly there. You can make the argument that Biden did poorly in national polls due to little media coverage, but Iowa is different.

[WheelWalker]

75. Biden ran in a caucus state. No primary I can recall. We agree

that Obama and Clinton had the better organizations there, they had more money, more media coverage, and sucked all the oxygen from all the other campaigns. Iowa is a flawed system that didn't show a thing about how middle America feels toward Biden. Your primary assertion is bogus.

[Muttocracy]

33. that is NOT Biden's analysis. I've watched hours of SFRC hearings

And what's your definition of "middle America"? Biden is closer to "middle America" income than nearly all senators and governors. He is a white Catholic guy from working class roots. He would pull away McCain voters who are concerned about Obama not having enough experience.

[Radical Activist]

36. A Catholic from the Northeast is not middle america.

That's my definition. Seriously. Not even close.

And that's not Biden's analysis from when? I have seen him say exactly that on TV interviews but I'll admit that his views on Iraq seemed to change on a monthly if not weekly basis. That's exactly the problem with Biden.

[Muttocracy]

41. OK, still no polling data from you, just your guts. so who do you want for VP?

[Radical Activist]

46. My polling data is the Democratic primaries! Jesus Christ how much more polling do you need?!

Its obvious. Get a clue already!

[Muttocracy]

47. OK, so who do you want for VP? nt

[Radical Activist]

51. There are plenty of good options that won't harm the ticket like Biden will.

I'm not partial to anyone in particular.

Some things that would help:
1) Someone who didn't vote for the Iraq War. We don't need the flip flopper problem.
2) Someone who can help in an important swing state.
3) Someone who can appeal to voters outside the northeast and west coast.
4) Someone with significant experience outside the US Senate.
5) Expertise and experience with either the economy or military outside the US Senate.

So basically Biden has none of the qualities that I think would be useful in a VP candidate.

[Muttocracy]

57. plenty of good options and you can't name one other than not-Biden?

I'm not sure Biden would be my top choice for VP, but at least I can name Schweitzer and Clark.

[Radical Activist]

60. If you really want...

Tom Vilsack, Claire McCaskill, Ted Strickland, Kathleen Sebelius, Sherrod Brown would all bring something to the ticket and be fine nominees.

Obama did very well in the Midwest during the primaries. Picking a running mate form a Midwestern state like Iowa or Missouri would strengthen his appeal there in the same way that Clinton picking Gore allowed them to win several Southern states. Winning Iowa and Missouri, or alternately Ohio would win the election.

[Eurobabe]

73. Tom BALLSACK??

BWAAAHHAAAA!!! You gotta be kidding me. You're SO radical. Take off your shades.

[WheelWalker]

42. Ahem...and a Radical Activist from Illinois defines Middle America? Fascinating.

[Radical Activist]

43. Yes. Do you have a point?

Illinois is the middle of the country. And historically radical movements have come from the Midwest. Chicago was a center of socialism. The populist movement, labor movement and other radical movements grew from the Midwest. So what's your point exactly?

[WheelWalker]

52. Now THAT is a legitimate question. My daughter asked me the same question

20 years ago. We were sitting in the living room. She was 14. Doing her homework. I was reading. She looked up from her math, turned to me and said, "So, what's your point Dad?" "Good question," I responded. "Now, see if you can think of the answer."

[Radical Activist]

53. Well, that's cute.

But it seems like all your comments are pithy one liners rather than arguments.

[WheelWalker]

54. It's uncertain whether you know the meaning of the words you use,

but I'll take that as a compliment. Thank you.

[Radical Activist]

55. You're welcome.

Have a point yet?

[WheelWalker]

56. I certainly hope not. That's the point.

[WheelWalker]

20. You know, my dad's been dead since July, 1976; and yet, every year

he gets smarter and smarter. Grok?

[The_Casual_Observer]

9. That would be great!

[Czolgosz]

17. Because nothing says "change" like a Senator with over three decades in Washington DC?

[Atman]

18. BINGO!

I can't believe all the people who think that picking one of these firmly-entrenched Washington guys is what the Obama campaign needs. Absolutely hysterical. What part of "change" aren't they getting?

I'm 49, and I remember Biden getting hair transplants -- when I was practically a kid. How the fuck does this guy (who has voted against us many, many times) represent the ideals Obama espouses? I don't get it.

.

[WheelWalker]

19. You're still practically a kid. Locate the present and then

see if you can put at least one foot in it.

[PatSeg]

26. Great line

Think I may borrow it!

[Atman]

69. Oh, puhleeze...advice from the Village Idiot.

We have had nearly eight years of Village Idiot. I'm done with village idiot. And I'm done with the same ol same ol names that seem to be perpetual Presidential candidates...losers, I might add.

Don't let you're fan-boy above fool you...while it might have been a clever retort, it was as phony as Biden's plugs.

.

[PatSeg]

77. Sorry

I know this Village Idiot quite well and "phony" hardly applies to him or to Biden.

[Muttocracy]

37. data for "voting against us"? On every Nolan Chart I've seen of voting records

Biden and Obama are quite close.

[Atman]

70. Biden talks the talk...and talks and talks. Then votes with Corporate Interests

Who, exactly, did the Bankruptcy bill help, again? Just for starters. Biden SOUNDS awesome. But "change" isn't going to come from a guy with his feet 30 years deep in the Washington muck.

.

[Czolgosz]

72. Biden let his priorities be known in his votes for (and against amendments to) the Bankruptcy Bill

[whirlygigspin]

23. the perfect being the enemy of the good

I think it was Bill Clinton who said Americans would rather choose someone who's wrong and strong
rather than someone who's right and weak.

[WheelWalker]

24. Hey WGS ! How ya DU'in?

[whirlygigspin]

28. good to see ya!

[PatSeg]

67. Please stop by the Biden support group

now and then. There are a lot of us who still get together and share our stories and opinions. It is still a great atmosphere, but there are few who have been absent. All are missed. It was an extremely unique group of minds.

[gateley]

38. Whoa -- Hi!

:pals:

[Radical Activist]

29. Who voted for the war in Iraq.

I'm sure the Republicans won't bring that up just like they didn't with Kerry. :eyes:

[TwilightGardener]

21. I'm with ya. Biden is a fighter, and knows how to handle himself on

the national stage.

[Zomby Woof]

25. To borrow from Hunter Thompson

(When HST wrote of Hubert Humphrey): Biden is a shallow, contemptible, and hopelessly dishonest old hack.

[whirlygigspin]

30. and what charmer would you suggest, then?

:rofl:

[WheelWalker]

32. I sense your comfort in ignorance. Sleep well. The moment of Awakening

is not yet with you.

[grantcart]

63. not personally for Biden but zero for three is pretty bad

now if you had said pompous or gaffe prone we could have atleast understood your point of view but "contemptible and dishonest".

Shallow is a relative term so I guess we could give you half credit on that.

[whirlygigspin]

64. yes, we need someone weak who will not offend anyone

in style of Dukakis, Kerry,or Mondale. that's the ticket!

(no offense to non-offensive types)

Maybe Obama can choose Tom Daschle, he was very kind to Republicons, not offensive at all.

now let's all sing Kumbaya.

Play nice, and remember, being strong is off the table.

:rofl:

[TheKentuckian]

65. The ticket has plenty of change for most already

It will not hurt to put a familiar face with a ton of credentials on the slate, in fact with most of the electorate it will probably help.

I'm not saying Biden has to be the one but I think he's a good choice and the choice should certainly be along those lines, an old head.

Biden has all the "experience" in the world, he counters McCain and anyone he can bring on that area.

[depakid]

66. And he proved it for years on the Sunday "news" shows

There's a reason why he and Liebermann were staples- and it goes beyond their penchant for hearing themselves speak....

It's not hard to imagine what sorts statements a team of interns might drudge up.

[Zomby Woof]

78. We could dig through the DU archives

And find plenty of damning quotes from Lieberman Lite (D-MBNA). Wouldn't have to go that far back either.

[Kahuna]

68. I want Bidey-Man!!!

:bounce:

[mrigirl]

71. I agree! Biden for VP all the way. Obama needs his foreign policy experience to win this thing.

And we all know how important this election is. I can't live another 4 yrs under McBush's rule. Biden will bring in the Catholic middle class vote that Obama can't. He would win this thing for him.

Regardless of what some of you think- Biden's ideas and plans for this country could turn this boat around in the right direction. Instead of constantly bashing him for a hair transplant after brain surgery did any of you ever go to his website to actaully SEE what his issues are? Probably not. If you did you would change your tune. He's a genious.

[Milo_Bloom]

74. No war voters on the ticket.