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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:41 PM
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Kaine a Horrible Choice!
No military experience or any foreign experience at all

We need someone that can calm the war mongers.

Like Biden.





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Whalestoe Donating Member (928 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:42 PM
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1. Hope he picks W. Clark then if you're afraid of the war mongers. n/t
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:43 PM
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2. We don't need those RW nuts to tell us what we need in a VP
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:43 PM
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3. I think Obama can handle himself fine in that arena.
His recent trip proved to calm much of that concern.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:44 PM
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4. Why Don't We Just Put This Guy on?
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:51 PM
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12. 13 electoral votes
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:51 PM
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13. 'Cause stallone like voight and swartzenegger are
all for the 100 year war guy even though they're all too old to help out.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:44 PM
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5. The war counts, yes, but IMO it will not be the headline concern of voters
in November.

I think the economy/labor, plus health care will be instead.

Kaine, if he is Obama's choice, looks pretty sturdy on many counts.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:45 PM
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6. I'm for Kaine, I was against him--but he's growing on me.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:45 PM
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7. there's only ONE reason for Kaine:
Edited on Tue Jul-29-08 07:54 PM by Gabi Hayes
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:48 PM
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8. they're talking about this now on CNN
Edited on Tue Jul-29-08 07:48 PM by Gabi Hayes
Roland Martin, radio commentator says it's the KEY to Obama winning, (especially if they're giving up on Ohio...my take, based on what I've heard from other gasbaggers today)
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:50 PM
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10. He's not giving up on Ohio.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:53 PM
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15. I was referring to what the chatter has been of late. it's too early to tell
on any of this stuff, AFA what states to give up on, but the CW is that he's got a much better chance of winning VA, and Kain may be the one to best help them

13 electoral votes goes a long way toward making up for Ohio's
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:55 PM
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17. Most polls show Ohio a toss-up...
I think he takes Ohio.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 08:20 PM
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22. that's where the swiftboat ads were most effective. that said,
I hope you're right

I can't even imagine what it's going to be like if the kryptoklepto party 'wins' again
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 08:25 PM
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24. It worked because 2004 was still a foreign policy election.
2008 is all about domestic. Kerry would have won in this climate because McCain doesn't know two shits about the economy. That will have a far bigger role in Ohio than Iraq or terrorism, IMO.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:54 PM
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16. That's not enough. Putting Kaine on the ticket won't bring the state any closer than a ticket
without him.

How is Tim Kaine ready to be a heartbeat from the Presidency? He is not - plain and simple. And he ads another collective of unknowns to the ones Obama already has.

Disaster.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 08:02 PM
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21. How do you know?
Edited on Tue Jul-29-08 08:03 PM by Drunken Irishman
Virginia is a toss-up, Kaine might be all Obama needs to go over the top there.

I know, I know, Edwards couldn't carry North Carolina for Kerry, yet he did better there than Al Gore, who was from the south and a border state. Had North Carolina been a competitive state in 2004, Edwards might have been enough to flip it. But for most of the race, Kerry was down double digits there.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:50 PM
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9. If Kaine is the choice, it's because he's the right one
Edited on Tue Jul-29-08 07:50 PM by Winebrat
These decisions aren't made with a dart board. There would be a ton of research and focus groups backing this choice, including every background check imaginable.

One would hope, at least.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:51 PM
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11. I use to think that. I was pulling for Webb. Kaine, isn't my second choice, but
Obama, I think, pretty much owns Iraq as an issue now, and is leading the way with Afghanistan. Probably, the two most important foreign policy issues with Americans right now, which by the way, fall way behind issues like the economy, health care, energy, etc.
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:52 PM
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14. I hear he's a terrible public speaker, too, and that is soooo important. n/t
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:56 PM
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18. No way.
We need someone who would be a good president. I would not support Biden in that role.
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:57 PM
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19. I've wondered if Rep. Joe Sestak (PA) has gotten a look by the vetting committee.
Edited on Tue Jul-29-08 07:59 PM by Purveyor
31 years military (navy) experience. Uprooted Weldon for the House seat. Slapped the neocons around really good when allowed to...

Rep. Joe Sestak Refuses To Be Bullied By Sean Hannity About Obama’s Trip Abroad

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=160142
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:57 PM
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20. isn't this choice all about finding the running mate that will help him win?
Edited on Tue Jul-29-08 07:58 PM by Gabi Hayes
does anything else matter?

they can dress it up with all the BS they want about choosing someone who can help govern, but that's all it is....BS

and who cares? once the man is in office, the Veep, with one hideous, glaring exception, has been pretty much irrelevant to the function of government

if Kaine brings in Virginia, it'll be a fantastic choice

the only reason they picked Lieberman was because they thought he'd bring Florida, which he did, making it a good choice. a problem of some sort arose, though....can't remember what it was now
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 08:24 PM
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23. Biden, the guy who made it harder for hard-working folks to declare bankruptcy? Fuck him.
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 09:36 PM
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26. LOL.....yep, lets decide on one topic
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 08:36 PM
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25. I don't like the sound of Kaine
Edited on Tue Jul-29-08 08:38 PM by napoleon_in_rags
Totally superficial, but it bothers me. IT reminds me of this professional wrestler.

And it also reminds me of the whole thing in the Bible where Abel offered meat (Gore) Cain offered plants (Bush) and God prefered the Gore/meat, so Cain killed Abel. (election theft) and then there was only Cain, aka McCain, aka Kaine. It bothers me at some symbolic level.
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