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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:15 AM
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Klein:I believe there are a small group of Jewish neoconservatives who are pushing for war with Iran
As Talkingpointsmemo's Josh Marshall said, "Good for Joe Klein for taking these folks on."
When Extremists Attack

Posted by Joe Klein

I have now been called antisemitic and intellectually unstable and a whole bunch of other silly things by the folks over at the Commentary blog. They want Time Magazine to fire or silence me. This is happening because I said something that is palpably true, but unspoken in polite society: There is a small group of Jewish neoconservatives who unsuccessfully tried to get Benjamin Netanyahu to attack Saddam Hussein in the 1990s, and then successfully helped provide the intellectual rationale for George Bush to do it in 2003. Their motivations involve a confused conflation of what they think are Israel's best interests with those of the United States. They are now leading the charge for war with Iran.

Happily, these people represent a very small sliver of the Jewish population in this country. Unhappily, their views have had an impact in the highest reaches of the Bush Administration--and seem to have an influence on John McCain's campaign as well. Happily, the Bush Administration seems more interested in talking to the Iranians than in launching on them--and, according to my Israeli friends, the Israelis are not going to do anything foolish, either. I remain proud of my Jewish heritage, a strong supporter of Israel and a realist about the slim chance of finding some common ground with the Iranians. But I am not willing to grant these ideologues the anonymity they seek.

In early 2003, during my first weeks as a Time Magazine columnist, I wrote a handful of skeptical columns about the coming war in Iraq, including this one about Israel's security as a hidden casus belli. Then, with the troops in place and the war about to begin, I said something stupid on Tim Russert's cable TV show--reluctantly saying ok, we should proceed with the attack. It was the only statement I made in favor of the war and I quickly came to my senses--but that's no excuse. We have lost more than 4000 Americans, tens of thousands have come home grievously injured, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been killed and wounded, and we are weaker, palpably and morally, as a result.

I am not going to make the same mistake twice. I don't think a war with Iran is coming, thank God, but this time I am not going to pull any punches. My voice isn't very important in the grand scheme of things, but I'm going to do my job--and that means letting you know exactly where I stand and what I believe. I believe there are a small group of Jewish neoconservatives who are pushing for war with Iran because they believe it is in America's long-term interests and because they believe Israel's existence is at stake. They are wrong and recent history tells us they are dangerous. They are also bullies and I'm not going to be intimidated by them.

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/07/when_extremists_attack.html
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:21 AM
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1. "There is"----Klein used correct grammar.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 12:21 PM
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17. You are correct.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:36 AM
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2. Eric Alterman had said almost exactly the same thing several months ago
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:40 AM
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3. Umm, no shit, Sherlock Klein...
It took Klein this long to figure this out? There are lots of us who have been aware of PNAC, and the neocons' plans for the Middle East for years.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:49 AM
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5. When his job at "Time" is threatened, Joe can finally speak out...
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 07:49 AM by KoKo01
Yet, Eric Alterman and others have been speaking out for years. Still, it's good to see Klein finally give exposure to those in the Jewish Community who are working very hard to keep us out of Iran and who want to expose the influence of the Neo-Cons outside the Liberal Blogs.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:50 AM
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7. KoKo01? Do you know if there is a list of names I can bookmark? nt
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 02:12 PM
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19. You mean a list of names of Non-NeoCon leaning Bloggers?
:shrug:
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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:56 AM
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10. Its funny when i was young i thought all american jewish people were these pro- civil rights types..
marching with King and were all mostly peacenik types. I didnt realise till later that theres this strong segment thats sees so many boogeymen when it comes to Israel.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 02:31 PM
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22. It's not a matter of not knowing this--it's a matter of being permitted to or having the courage...
...to come right out and say it as bluntly as Klein did. It's no small thing, and the backlash he's getting rather supports that.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:43 AM
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4. The wants and needs of a few outweigh the wants and needs of the many.......
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 07:44 AM by nc4bo
business as usual for the neocons but what good is Klein coming out if the names of these few remain unknown?

Sure sunlight is a disinfectant but is not effective unless we know where to aim it. Disregard if the information is already known because now we've got an entirely different set of problems.

Out the bastards, even if it is done anonymously.
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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:50 AM
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6. Gwynne Dyer mentioned the same thing in a book last year...
I'm sure he also mentioned it way before that in one of his other books or columns. Its understandably a touchy subject because it sounds like a "secret jewish cabal" or something, and thats like straight out of the medieval anti-semitism that fanatic christians used on jewish people back in the day to incite pogroms and killings.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:55 AM
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8. The large majority of American Jews reject neoconservatism
I wish more people knew this.
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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:00 AM
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11. I see it as being something in the same spirit as quebec nationalism.
Separatists play on the sentimental feelings of others to get more than what the majority of quebec francophones actually want. Maybe its all some kind of remnant from the old clan/tribe days.
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sourmilk Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:55 AM
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9. "a small group of Jewish neoconservatives..."
Unfortunately, a good number of them live in the USA and have the ear of the current administration.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:03 AM
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12. I have every confidence in the Jewish American community to
overcome this blemish that the neo-cons have given them.

More importantly, I'm sure they'll come up with a less destructive plan to keep Iran from being a threat.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:36 AM
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13. good for him.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:38 AM
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14. No kidding
Welcome to reality, Joe.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:38 AM
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15. Golly - ya think?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:40 AM
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16. He's tried the same "I was against the Iraq war" bullshit before. Greenwald was there to catch him.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:58 PM
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18. Sadly, this is no joke. This "small" group has managed to pull strings to AXE BRZEZINSKI
from Obama's National Security team, even though he was one of the earliest supporters with National Security chops.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 02:18 PM
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20. K&R, but don't forget the Christian neoconservatives...

in the past they have provided much broader support for Bush's policies.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 02:25 PM
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21. Well, Joe, start namin'. It is time for the people of the world
to realize that the national interests of the US and Israel are not always 100% the same. It is time to weed out extremists of all stripes--Christian, Muslim, and Jewish.
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