If you have a moment, please conatct The View re: Obama's prayer

[Coexist]

http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/ask

They were discussing how wrong it was for him to release his prayer for publicity.

Here is a link to some articles stating the prayer was stolen, he didn't release it.

http://www.jewishjournal.com/politics/article/obamas_note_at_the_western_wall_asks_for_gods_guidance_200807251/

The yeshiva student who pried Barack Obama’s prayer note from the Western Wall apologized Sunday.

Identified only by the first initial of his name, Alef, and with his face obscured, the student went on Israel’s Channel 2 television to confess that he took the presidential contender’s note last week and passed it to the press.

The resulting coverage of Obama’s private, handwritten musings on hope and sin added to the mystique of his campaign visit to Israel but drew international criticism, including from leading rabbis who said Jewish morality had been compromised by the publication.



http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/07/29/israel-reacts-to-obama-s-private-prayer.aspx

The theft--by a student at a local yeshiva--was quickly condemned by the religious figures in charge of the wall. "The notes placed between the stones of the Western Wall are between a person and his maker," Shmuel Rabinovitz, the rabbi who manages the site, told a local radio station. "It is forbidden to read them or make any use of them." Rabinovitz and his colleagues do occasionally round up the notes to make more space, but those prayers are then buried unread on the nearby Mount of Olives. In Obama's case, the yeshiva student ultimately returned the note, but by then newspapers around the world had published its contents.

[LiberalFighter]

1. The student should be expelled.

[hisownpetard]

6. I absolutely agree. He has no concept of what is sacred and no principles, either.

Kick him out, STAT.

[LiberalFighter]

35. Maybe Elizabeth Hasslecrock bribed the student to steal the prayer.

[crimsonblue]

41. Worse should happen

he violated one of the most sacred rituals in all of judaism and should be excommunicated from the Jewish faith. He is now a heretic and is forever cursed. I dare say many ortodox Jews would now believe he is going to hell for his transgressions.

[Midlodemocrat]

2. It's a beautiful prayer.

[ErinBerin84]

3. Thanks, this is really pissing me off.

God...I feel pathetic emailing the View bc I feel like it won't make any difference (I did email them by the way, thanks for the address). They need to apologize for spreading misinformation .

[hisownpetard]

4. OMG, they are such idiots. Wrote them a letter saying as much. Thanks for the link.

[roguevalley]

22. done.

[hisownpetard]

33. Good. The more the merrier.

[Whisp]

5. they thought he released the prayer on purpose?

are you kidding me?
(I didn't read the link, my comps goes nuts on some sites so I don't click too much)

that was known right off the top, that the prayer was taken by someone else?

what the hell? what a pack of dumbasses

[Hestia]

9. I emailed Fight The Smears last about a report saying that Obama's campaign staff paid

someone to steal the prayer so that it maybe published. Pathetic isn't it?

[Coexist]

11. thanks - I forgot to do that.

[Jensen]

7. Done and K&R!

[writes3000]

8. I already did. They should be ashamed. Barbara especially. n/t

[DevonRex]

30. I'm more disappointed with Whoopi. Barbara has never had my

respect. But Whoopi I had high hopes for. Now there's not even one person on there who is unbiased and who finds out the facts before spewing garbage. GRRRRRRR!!!!

[ellacott]

10. I sent them an email

Its unbelievable that they were so stupid to run with that story without confirming it.

[Whisp]

13. it's unbelievable!

of all the shit that happens during a campaign, this deeply troubles me - the fact that a tv production like this WOULD MAKE SHIT UP - i know news shows do it all the time, but I consider the view more like a variety or entertainment show, not a news one.

many will believe it even if they apologize tomorrow - that's the way misinformation is spread. Get the big lie out loud and clear and hardly whisper the correction.

I wonder how Joy reacted to this as she is one of the level headed ones there.

[ellacott]

18. It's hard to believe that was just an oversight.

[a kennedy]

12. I wrote to the view too....and thank you for making the links available.

It was such a beautiful prayer......

[Marrah_G]

14. self-delete

[Coexist]

15. I know - but maybe they will issue a 'correction' tomorrow.

a shocking number of women actually watch and trust that show.

[nc4bo]

16. I just sent a sizzling hot letter their way. I just copied and pasted the link info in the letter.

What in the name of God is wrong with all of you! Why would you say that a presidential candidate would have his own prayer stolen? All of you, every single last one of you should apologize for promoting misinformation in a public forum.

You do this after you enjoyed the outstanding ratings the appearance of Michelle Obama gave your show a few weeks ago. You smiled in her face and kissed her ass well and good when it was to your benefit. You then turn around slap the Obama's in the face by promoting a bunch of Republican lies with the same cheesy sh*teating grins.

Disgusting, the lot of you.

Because you ladies seem to be ignorant about the stolen prayer note, allow me to give you a few links so that you can educate yourselves on the facts.

Facts, ladies is what the American people want to hear, not the Neo-Con, right-wing M$M (MainStreamMedia).

Here ya go:

http://www.jewishjournal.com/politics/article/obamas_no... /

The yeshiva student who pried Barack Obama’s prayer note from the Western Wall apologized Sunday.

Identified only by the first initial of his name, Alef, and with his face obscured, the student went on Israel’s Channel 2 television to confess that he took the presidential contender’s note last week and passed it to the press.

The resulting coverage of Obama’s private, handwritten musings on hope and sin added to the mystique of his campaign visit to Israel but drew international criticism, including from leading rabbis who said Jewish morality had been compromised by the publication.

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/07/...

The theft--by a student at a local yeshiva--was quickly condemned by the religious figures in charge of the wall. "The notes placed between the stones of the Western Wall are between a person and his maker," Shmuel Rabinovitz, the rabbi who manages the site, told a local radio station. "It is forbidden to read them or make any use of them." Rabinovitz and his colleagues do occasionally round up the notes to make more space, but those prayers are then buried unread on the nearby Mount of Olives. In Obama's case, the yeshiva student ultimately returned the note, but by then newspapers around the world had published its contents.

Stop being a part of the neo-con problem and become part of the solution.

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[Cha]

20. Thanks for giving the view the right information..

they must have the same resources as charlie gibson.

[AZBlue]

37. Done!

K&R

[my3boyz]

17. It probably won't do any good. They are on haitus now. They will probably

be gone for a few weeks. I can't believe none of them knew the truth. They were probably told by ABC to push that lie.

[Cha]

19. How god damn stupid do you have to be

to not get this information right? I don't care if they are on hiatus..they need to come back and cackle their effusive apology.

Michelle Obama should contact them, too..and set them straight on their stupid spreading of propaganda.

There's enough for them to set their collective fangs on without lying or just being plain ignorant.

Thanks for the links and the info.

[glowing]

21. Done and thanks for the links.

[Bluerthanblue]

23. I did- thanks for getting the word out-

:hi:

[tishaLA]

24. Also contact Fight the Smears and have THEM contact The View

They WILL be responsive to the campaign because Obama and Michelle bring in viewers. The show needs that.

[DevonRex]

25. I already did. But thank you for starting a thread about it, since

some folks might not have seen the link in the original thread. I can't stand that show. A bunch of RW fools and tools is what they are.

[Born_A_Truman]

26. Here's my message to The View

What evidence do you have that the Obama campaign released his prayer to the media? The McCain campaign perhaps? Or Sean Hannity/Fox News?

And to further state that since Obama is not a Jew , his prayer isn't
confidential is offensive.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215331112489&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

In response, a Ma'ariv spokesman said that "Barack Obama's note was approved for publication in the international media even before he put in the Kotel, a short time after he wrote it at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. In any case, since Obama is not a Jew, publishing the note does not constitute an infringement on his right to privacy."

Obama's campaign has neither confirmed nor denied whether the prayer published by Ma'ariv was in fact written by Obama. A campaign spokesman, however, made clear that the campaign hadn't approved the publication of any kind of prayer note.



The Senator and his supporters deserve an apology and the matter needs to be addressed on the air.

[earth mom]

27. My how convenient for the fundie vote.

:eyes:

[margotb822]

28. My email to ABC:

I know you like to think of yourselves as journalists and purveyors of news, but you really blew it with the talk that Obama released his own prayer. A simple search would have revealed that Obama's prayer was, in fact, stolen from the wall by a yeshiva student. Here's the link if you're too lazy to get it yourselves: http://www.jewishjournal.com/politics/article/obamas_note_at_the_western_wall_asks_for_gods_guidance_200807251

The mainstream media is becoming more and more pathetic every day. And I expect more from a Barbera Walter's show. Maybe ABC's goal is to keep this election close, but the Center for Media and Public Affairs at Geroge Mason University has shown how partisan and destructive the media has become. Why don't you try providing equal coverage and substantial discussion on both candidates? Oh, probably because the Republicans would kick and scream that you were being "libral." Even though I have lost respect for this network, I know many Americans are still influenced by the petty trash you peddle as news, so as a plea on their behalf I say: stop spreading lies and start reporting facts!

[tishaLA]

29. I also emailed HuffPost

they post about the idiocy on The View all the time. The more push-back this story gets, the better.

[Cha]

34. Thank you, Tisha..

Good idea!

[central scrutinizer]

31. media fairness

Let me see if I understand this: BO's private prayer is stolen and made public and it is somehow BO's fault and the media is all over it. But, McW's son resigns from a sinking financial institution and that is off limits.

[FloridaJudy]

32. This is a Yeshiva boy?

Sheesh. My family hasn't been observant in over a hundred years, and we know better than that! Disgraceful.

[hootinholler]

36. WHAT??? When Pelosi was on, they said nothing bout Obama releasing it!

They said it was wrong that someone took it out of the wall. I may still have it on the DVR, but can't get DVR to my computer because it's ComCastic.

When did they say anything about him releasing it?

-Hoot

[Coexist]

40. here's a recap:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/30/112526/895/28/559340

[hootinholler]

42. It's bullshit!

On the July 28th show, 25 mins in by my recorder (includes commercials) Whoopie introduced the segment saying the prayer somehow ended up in an Israeli newspaper. Then she was pissed off that someone would take it from the wall.

She never said the campaign released it, the accusation is bullshit.

-Hoot

[Coexist]

45. Here, topic #2, Published prayer

http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/index

[hootinholler]

48. So, they had it right before and screwed the pooch today.

Whoopi opened it with fact, stating the Israeli paper claimed to have his permission to publish. Barbara Piled on with bullshit and said that staff released it.

Thanks! I was obviously confused.

-Hoot

[goodgd_yall]

38. Naughty boy

That sure was a tasteless thing to do. I'm sure the kid caught hell for doing that.

I wasn't aware there was reporting that Obama's people released it. That doesn't even make sense. It's a personal prayer and wouldn't serve his campaign anyway. Too bad a guy's prayer between him and his god can't even be held sacred. Stupid kid.

[nsd]

39. K & R

I wrote this morning asking them to make a retraction and offer an apology.

[nomaco-10]

43. Here's the deal with these idiots...

baahbaah is supposed to be up on all these things. Joy and Whoopi are well intentioned, self described democrats that spout misinformation daily. And don't even get me started on elizabitch.

The deal is, the damage is already done. They say it and 500,00 morons watching this show tell another 300,000 morons who tell another 500,000 morons and on so and so on. Oh, and then fox picks it up as actual fact and reports how everybody on the view panel picked on poor, wittle wizzie.

These women are an embarrassment to all free thinking, intelligent, truth-seeking women everywhere.
Joy does try, I'll give her credit, but unfortunately falls short on the facts more often than not.

[Cha]

47. America has its Dumb Factor and too bad they have

control of the airwaves. They still need to be held accountable for passing Bullshit of this magnitude.

[endelfam]

44. Done....

[kskiska]

46. Video: THE MOMENT Obama prayer snatched from Western Wall

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i7v85iEgvY

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And the story:

(snip)

Start here: Ma’ariv’s story from last Friday on the note is still available on line (in Hebrew). It explains how the paper got the note:

As soon as left the wall, a yeshivah student hurried to the stones where the note had been inserted and searched between them until he found the hoped-for note… which has reached Ma’ariv’s hands.

The picture of the note showed it folded and crumpled. Yediot Aharonot, Israel’s largest-circulation paper, was reportedly offered the note and turned it down. Apparently, the yeshivah student was shopping his find around. Yediot is also a tabloid with screaming headlines, not known for its tact, but even its editors knew where to draw the line.

So virtually every paper in Israel was soon publishing that statement from Ma’ariv about how Obama had really handed out the note itself. The statement’s last sentence (take anti-nausea pill before reading) said:

In any case, since Obama is not a Jew, publishing the note does not constitute an infringement on his right to privacy.

Now let’s say I’m a journalist, and I read Ma’ariv’s second version. How should I relate to it?

Well, if Obama really had offered the note to everyone, everyone would have published it, and no one would have been upset. That’s exactly what happened when Pope John Paul II visited the Wall in March, 2000, during his historic journey of reconciliation, and publicized the prayer he inserted between the stones. He made a point of writing it in English. You can find it on the website of the Franciscan Custody of the Holy Land, a Church body. No one thought the pope had violated religious custom. The pope’s prayer was meant to be public, so there was nothing untoward in publishing it. It was like printing words of a sermon. Publishing Obama’s words was the equivalent of using a secret mike to capture a whispered prayer.

more…
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=07&year=2008&base_name=obama_didnt_release_the_note_h