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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:19 PM
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Big Media/DU Myth - Obama Is Not Attacking McCain Or Defining Himself
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 01:30 PM by Median Democrat
I see a lot of concern trolls complaining that the Obama campaign is standing still. That they are not running enough ads. What is their proof? That Big Media is replaying McCain's ads, but there are no pro-Obama ads being discussed by Big Media, ergo, Obama is not doing enough. I have to ask anyone repeating these myths, are you keeping up with DU? Did you miss the discussion on DU and KO about the work of Big Media? Were you blaming Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry and now Barack Obama for lousy campaigns, rather than examining the role of corporate media?

Well, again, the attach story is fact regarding how much is being spent. Obama is spending, and will outspend McCain. However, McCain is receiving a giant billion dollar boost in free air play for his ads. He only pays for about 10 ad buys in a small market, and WHAM it gets shown nationally. Obama does not enjoy this advantage.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-07-29-ads_N.htm

/snip

Obama and McCain advertise in about a dozen battleground states such as Ohio and Pennsylvania. Obama's stronger fundraising means he can afford also to run ads in states such as Alaska and Montana that rarely see general election TV spots — as well as air his commercials nationally during NBC's broadcast of the Olympic Games next month.

"The one thing Obama will do differently than previous candidates is do more national television buys," says John Geer, a political advertising expert at Vanderbilt University. "Because he has a plan to go after so many different states, in some cases, it's going to be more effective" than buying ad time in individual markets.

Obama has spent $27 million on general-election ads and McCain has spent $25 million, according to Evan Tracey of Campaign Media Analysis Group, which tracks political ads.

Political campaigns almost always buy ad time in local markets, city by city, to target their ads more precisely. As a result, many Americans never see a presidential ad — while some see thousands. Most political ads in June, for example, appeared on morning and evening news shows, Jeopardy and Oprah, according to Tracey's group.

/snip

Of course, McCain's ads are getting much more coverage because Big Media is giving them hours of free air time in what amounts to a billion dollar in kind contribution.

Stop sitting on your duff, bitching about what Obama is going to do. He's doing it. If he was not raising the money he has, this race would have already been lost.

The question is what are you going to do? Allow Big Media to steal another election? Wait for some magical Democratic candidate who Big Media will favor?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:23 PM
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1. "Obama returned to the campaign trail today, guns blazing."
Obama says McCain is the risky pick
Posted: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 1:54 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli


SPRINGFIELD, MO -- Obama returned to the campaign trail today, guns blazing.

Responding to a barrage of attacks in recent weeks, he linked McCain to the Bush economic policies and claimed that it was the Republican nominee who was the “risky” choice in November.

“Nobody thinks that Bush or McCain have a real answer for the challenges we face, so what they are going to try to do is make you scared of me,” he told more than a thousand people at a high school here. "'He's risky' -- that's the argument... It's like, 'Well, we don't have very much to offer but he's risky.' And let me just say, it's true that change, change is hard. Change isn't easy. And the question you have to ask yourself is, 'What's more risky?’”

He added, "We are in a time right now where it is too risky no to change. It is risky to keep on doing what we are doing, to accept the tired status quo."


Obama focused almost exclusively on the economy during his half-hour opening remarks, including the high-energy costs. He challenged the notion that drilling was the answer to the crisis, saying the effort may not have an impact for 10 years, if at all.

“I know gas prices have gone down, it's grand bargain now $3.95,” he said. “Earlier George Bush was on TV talking about his energy plan. Now think about it -- where has Bush been over the last eight years? Where was John McCain over the last 25?”

more...

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/30/1234432.aspx
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:26 PM
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4. Okay DU Trolls - What Should Obama Do When Big Media Ignores This?
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 01:27 PM by Median Democrat
Thanks Babylon!

So, Obama has bought ads as you say he should. His ads buys are unprecedented by any Democrat. He is also attacking McCain, and continuing to link McCain to Bush, see above. Are you still going to second guess Obama, or are you going to re-examine the bias of Big Media?
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:25 PM
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2. Here's Obama's real benefit and curse. Obama gets RATINGS!
Clearly that's what is really driving these shows. Ratings, magazine sales, interest all peak with Obama. They droop with McCain.

So the news organizations - which are a business - want ratings. But they have to appear impartial. So how do they spend more time on Obama but appear unbiased.

They spend lots of time talking about John McCain's attacks on Obama. They focus on the state of Obama's chances. They raise the question - like a reality show - can Obama win?

They want a horse race. That will spike ratings. But Obama is the only star in the show so this is what they do.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 03:29 PM
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15. They don't want a horse race, they want a McCain landslide
But they know they won't get that, so they have to settle for a horse race.

("They" here refers to the corporations that run the media, rather than journalists and editors)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 10:38 PM
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23. That's it. They think they need mccain to win for their very
existence..and maybe they're right?
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-08 08:06 AM
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25. A horse race provides the cover for another stolen election
If McCain is 20 points behind Obama, then even the folks who get their news from the M$M will smell a rat when America suddenly decides that it doesn't want a black president after all, or that they're all a-skeert of the turrrsts and want a military guy to protect them (one or both of which I suspect would be the M$M narrative in the event of a McCain win).
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:26 PM
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3. The problem is the people don't control Big Media. The corporations that own them do.
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 01:27 PM by Selatius
The national issues that should be covered are being neglected for the sake of profits.

They want a horse race, but they do a shit-poor job of covering their platforms.
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:34 PM
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6. Thanks! To Confirm Your Point! Chart Showing ...
How Big Media controls what many DUers' think:

http://www.mediachannel.org/ownership/chart.shtml

Five corporations control it all. All these arm chair quarterbacks and DU troll fail to see that we began to lose in the 1990s with the growth of media consolidation and the demise of an independent press. Now, even DUers can't help but repeat RW talking points. Yeah, the reason why Obama is losing because he is not buying enough ads (false) and not attacking (false again).

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:54 PM
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7. Corporate Fat Cats have a constituency -- and they intend to protect them.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:31 PM
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5. THIS is how corpmedia chooses to cover a Dem nominee and the liars targeting that Dem.
Dems can go to the DU Research Forum and get the full links on the thread devoted to the 2004 response to swifts. The TRUTH does not match the corpmedia myths furthered here at DU.

For those uninterested in perusing the DU Research Forum for the data contained.........

April 14, 2004 - The website for SBVT was registered under the name of Lewis Waterman, the information technology manager for Gannon International, a St. Louis company that has diversified interests, including in Vietnam. (1) (note - Gannon International does not appear to have any relationship to Jeff Gannon/Guckert, the fake reporter.)

May 3, 2004 - "Kerry campaign announced a major advertising push to introduce 'John Kerry's lifetime of service and strength to the American people.' Kerry's four month Vietnam experience figures prominently in the ads." (2)

May 4, 2004 - The Swift Liars, beginning their lies by calling themselves "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth", went public at a news conference organized by Merrie Spaeth at the National Press Club. (1)

May 4, 2004 - "The Kerry campaign held a press conference directly after the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" event...The campaign provided an information package which raised significant questions about 'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.' " (3)


May 4, 2004 - Aug. 5, 2004 - No public activity by Swift Liars (?) Wikipedia entry (7) notes "When the press conference garnered little attention, the organization decided to produce television advertisements." (Ed. note - were there any public info or announcements, other than talk on blogs? Was there anything going on publicly? Did the campaign have reason to foresee what was coming - note that they must have, see the reactions to each ad).

Jul. 26, 2004 - Jul. 29, 2004 - Democratic National Convention held in Boston. John Kerry's military experience is highlighted.

Aug. 5, 2004 - The Swift Liars' first television ad began airing a one-minute television spot in three states. (7)

Aug. 5, 2004 - "the General Counsels to the DNC and the Kerry-Edwards 2004 campaign faxed a letter to station managers at the relevant stations stating that the ad is 'an inflammatory, outrageous lie" and requesting that they "act immediately to prevent broadcast of this advertisement and deny any future sale of time. " ' " (4)

Aug. 10, 2004 - Democracy 21, The Campaign Legal Center and The Center for Responsive Politics filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) charging that the Swift Liars were illegally raising and spending soft money on ads to influence the 2004 presidential elections. (4)

Aug. 17, 2004 - the campaign held a press conference at which Gen. Wesley Clark (ret.), Adm. Stansfield Turner (ret.), and several swift boat veterans rebutted the charges. (4)

Aug. 19, 2004 - the Kerry-Edwards campaign announced its own ad "Rassmann." (4)

Aug. 20, 2004 - The Swift Liars' second television ad began airing. This ad selectively excerpted Kerry's statements to the SFRC on 4/22/1971. (7)

Aug. 22, 2004 - the Kerry-Edwards campaign announced another ad "Issues" which addressed the Swift Boat group's attacks.

Aug. 25, 2004 - The Kerry-Edwards campaign ... dispatched former Sen. Max Cleland and Jim Rassmann, to Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas to deliver to the President a letter signed by Democratic Senators who are veterans. (The letter was not accepted.) (4)

Aug. 26, 2004 - The Swift Liars' third television ad began airing. This ad attacked Kerry's claim to have been in Cambodia in 1968. (7)

August 26, 2004 - Mary Beth Cahill sends letter to Ken Mehlman detailing the "Web of Connections" between the Swift Liars and the Bush Administration, and demanding that Bush denounce the smear campaign. (5)

August 26, 2004 - Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) submits FOIA request "with the White House asking it to detail its contacts with individuals connected to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (SBVT)." (6)

Aug. 27, 2004 - The DNC ran a full page ad in the Aug. 27, 2004 New York Times terming the Swift Boat campaign a smear. (4)

Aug. 31, 2004 - - The Swift Liars' fourth television ad began airing. This ad attacked Kerry's participation in the medal-throwing protest on 4/23/1971. (7)

References:
* (1) SourceWatch article on SBVT

* (2) (2004) Democracy in Action / Eric M. Appleman, Democracy in Action / Eric M. Appleman

* (3) (2004) Democracy in Action / Eric M. Appleman, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth: Kerry Campaign Response

* (4) (Sept. 8, 2004) Eric M. Appleman (apparently) Some Responses to the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" Ad

* (5) August 26, 2004 letter from Mary Beth Cahill to Ken Mehlman

* (6) Press Release (US Newswire): CREW FOIAs White House Contacts with Swift Boat Veterans Group

* (7) Wikipedia entry, Swift Vets and POWs for Truth



MH1 - This topic is to create a timeline of the response of the K/E04 campaign to the Swift Liars' smears. There is an RW-encouraged myth that K/E04 "didn't respond." As the timeline, once completed, will show, that is not true. Effectiveness of the response may be debated - that is subjective - the purpose of this thread is to collect the facts of the events.




On Aug. 19, 2004 Kerry himself responded directly in a speech to the International Association of Firefighters' Convention in Boston. (from prepared remarks)
...And more than thirty years ago, I learned an important lesson—when you're under attack, the best thing to do is turn your boat into the attacker. That's what I intend to do today.

Over the last week or so, a group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been attacking me. Of course, this group isn’t interested in the truth – and they're not telling the truth. They didn't even exist until I won the nomination for president.

But here's what you really need to know about them. They're funded by hundreds of thousands of dollars from a Republican contributor out of Texas. They're a front for the Bush campaign. And the fact that the President won't denounce what they’re up to tells you everything you need to know—he wants them to do his dirty work.

Thirty years ago, official Navy reports documented my service in Vietnam and awarded me the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts. Thirty years ago, this was the plain truth. It still is. And I still carry the shrapnel in my leg from a wound in Vietnam.

As firefighters you risk your lives everyday. You know what it’s like to see the truth in the moment. You're proud of what you’ve done—and so am I.

Of course, the President keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that. Well, if he wants to have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: "Bring it on."

I'm not going to let anyone question my commitment to defending America—then, now, or ever. And I'm not going to let anyone attack the sacrifice and courage of the men who saw battle with me.

And let me make this commitment today: their lies about my record will not stop me from fighting for jobs, health care, and our security – the issues that really matter to the American people...



Kerry defends war record
Aug. 19: John Kerry responds directly to attacks on his Vietnam military service Thursday, accusing President Bush of relying on front groups to challenge his war record.

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=40a0d9b1-0386-41ef-bc...



May 4, 2004. The Kerry campaign held a press conference directly after the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" event. (Above are, r-l, Wade Sanders, Del Sandusky and Drew Whitlow). Senior Advisor Michael Meehan said, "The Nixon White House attempted to do this to Kerry, and the Bush folks are following the same plan." "We're not going to let them make false claims about Kerry and go unanswered," Meehan said. He said his first instinct was to hold a press conference with an empty room where veterans could testify to their time spent in the military with George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.

The campaign provided an information package which raised significant questions about "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth." Spaeth Communications, which hosted the event, "is a Republican headed firm from Texas which has contributed to Bush's campaign and has very close ties to the Bush Administration." Lead organizer John O'Neill, a Republican from Texas, "was a pawn of the Nixon White House in 1971." Further some of the people now speaking against Kerry had praised him in their evaluation reports in Vietnam.

John Dibble, who served on a swift boat in 1970, after Kerry had left, was one of the veterans at the Kerry event. He said of Kerry's anti-war activities that at the time, "I didn't like what he was doing." In retrospect, however, Dibble said, "I probably should have been doing the same thing...probably more of us should have been doing that." He said that might have meant fewer names on the Vietnam Memorial and that Kerry's anti-war activities were "a very gutsy thing to do."

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/interestg/swift050404c....



Kerry campaign's quick response to Swift boat vets
By Marie Horrigan
UPI Deputy Americas Editor
Washington, DC, Aug. 5 (UPI) -- The campaign for Democratic Party presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts issued an exhaustively researched and extensively sourced 36-page refutation Thursday of allegations Kerry lied about events during his service in Vietnam, including how and why he received medals, and had fled the scene of a battle.

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040805-012143...



Kerry: Bush lets attack ads do 'dirty work'
McClellan points out criticism by anti-Bush group
Friday, August 20, 2004 Posted: 2:37 PM EDT (1837 GMT)
BOSTON, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry accused President Bush on Thursday of letting front groups "do his dirty work" in questioning his military service during the Vietnam War.

"The president keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that," Kerry told a firefighters' union conference in his hometown of Boston.

"Well, if he wants to have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: Bring it on."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/19/kerry.attacka... /


http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/oldtricks.php




August 5, 2004

VIA FACSIMILE

Re: Swift Boat Veterans for Truth

Dear Station Manager:

We are counsel to the Democratic National Committee and John Kerry, respectively. It has been brought to our attention that a group calling itself "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" has bought time, or may seek to buy time, on your station to air an advertisement that attacks Senator Kerry. The advertisement contains statements by men who purport to have served on Senator Kerry's SWIFT Boat in Vietnam, and one statement by a man pretending to be the doctor who treated Senator Kerry for one of his injuries. In fact, not a single one of the men who pretend to have served with Senator Kerry was actually a crewmate of Senator Kerry's and the man pretending to be his doctor was not. The entire advertisement, therefore is an inflammatory, outrageous lie.

"Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" styles itself as a group of individuals who personally served with John Kerry in the United States Navy in the Vietnam War. In truth the group is a sham organization spearheaded by a Texas corporate media consultant. It has been financed largely with funds from a Houston homebuilder. See Slater, Dallas Morning News, July 23, 2004.

In this group's advertisement, twelve men appear to make statements about Senator Kerry's service in Vietnam. Not a single one of these men served on either of Senator Kerry's two SWIFT Boats (PCF 44 & PCF94).

Further, the "doctor" who appears in the ad, Louis Letson, was not a crewmate of Senator Kerry's and was not the doctor who actually signed Senator Kerry's sick call sheet. In fact, another physician actually signed Senator Kerry's sick call sheet. Letson is not listed on any document as having treated Senator Kerry after the December 2, 1968 firefight. Moreover, according to news accounts, Letson did not record his "memories" of that incident until after Senator Kerry became a candidate for President in 2003. (National Review Online, May 4, 2004).

The statements made by the phony "crewmates" and "doctor" who appear in the advertisement are also totally, demonstrably and unequivocally false, and libelous. In parrticular, the advertisement charges that Senator Kerry "lied to get his Bronze Star." Just as falsely, it states that "he lied before the Senate." These are serious allegations of actual crimes -- specifically, of lying to the United States Government in the conduct of its official business. The events for which the Senator was awarded the Bronze Star have been documented repeatedly and in detail and are set out in the official citation signed by the Secretary of the Navy and the Commander of U.S. Forces in Vietnam. And yet these reckless charges of criminal conduct are offered without support or authentication, by fake "witnesses" speaking on behalf of a phony organization.

Your station is not obligated to accept this advertisement for broadcast nor is it required to account in any way for its decision to reject such an advertisement. Columbia Broadcasting System v. Democratic National Committee, 412 U.S. 94 (1973), You Can't Afford Dodd Committee, 81 FCC2d 579 (1980). The so-called "Swift Boat Veterans" organization is not a federal candidate or candidate committee. Repeated efforts by organizations that are not candidate committees to obtain a private right of access have been consistently rejected by the FCC. See e.g., National Conservative Political Action Committee, 89 FCC2d 626 (1982).

Thus, your station my freely refuse this advertisement. Because your station has this freedom, and because it is not a "use" of your facilities by a clearly identified candidate, your station is responsible for the false and libelous charges made by this sponsor.

Moreover, as a licensee, you have an overriding duty "to protect the public from false, misleading or deceptive advertising." Licensee Responsibility With Respect to the Broadcast of False, Misleading or Deceptive Advertising, 74 F.C.D.2d 623 (1961). Your station normally must take "reasonable steps" to satisfy itself "as to the reliability and reputation of every prospective advertiser." In re Complaint by Consumers Assocation of District of Columbia, 32 F.C.C.2d 400, 405 (1971).

Under these circumstances, your station may not responsibly air this advertisement. We request that your station act immmediately to prevent broadcasts of this advertisement and deny andy future sale of time. Knowing that the advertisement is false, and possessing the legal authority to refuse to run it, your station should exercise that authority in the public interest.


Please contact us promptly at either of the phone numbers below to advise us regarding the status of this advertisement.

Sincerely yours,
Marc Elias
Perkins Coie
607 14th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20005


General Counsel
Kerry-Edwards 2004 Joseph Sandler
Sandler, Reiff & Young
50 E Street, S.E. #300
Washington, D.C. 20003


General Counsel
Democratic National Committee


http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/ads04/dem080504ltrswift...




From the transcript of the Aug. 5, 2004 White House Press Briefing with Scott McClellan:

Q Do you -- does the President repudiate this 527 ad that calls Kerry a liar on Vietnam?

MR. McCLELLAN: The President deplores all the unregulated soft money activity. We have been very clear in stating that, you know, we will not -- and we have not and we will not question Senator Kerry's service in Vietnam. I think that this is another example of the problem with the unregulated soft money activity that is going on. The President thought he put an end -- or the President thought he got rid of this kind of unregulated soft money when he signed the bipartisan campaign finance reforms into law. And, you know, the President has been on the receiving end of more than $62 million in negative attacks from shadowy groups.

* * *

In the days after the release of the ad a host of major newspapers published editorials condemning it including the Arizona Republic ("Campaign Non-Starter," August 6), Los Angeles Times ("It's Not All Fair Game," August 6), Plain Dealer ("Ad Says Kerry Lied; Record Says Otherwise," August 8), St. Petersburg Times ("An Ugly Attack," August 9), Las Vegas Sun ("Ad's Smear Should Be Condemned," August 9), Oregonian ("Now It Gets Nasty," August 11), and Washington Post ("Swift Boat Smears," August 12).

* * *

On Aug. 10, 2004 Democracy 21, the Campaign Legal Center and the Center for Responsive Politics filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) charging that Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is illegally raising and spending soft money on ads to influence the 2004 presidential elections.

* * *

From the transcript of Bush's Aug. 12, 2004 appearance on CNN'S Larry King Live:


KING: In view of that, do you think that it's fair, for the record, John Kerry's service record, to be an issue at all? I know that Senator McCain...
G. BUSH: You know, I think it is an issue, because he views it as honorable service, and so do I. I mean...
KING: Oh, so it is. But, I mean, Senator McCain has asked to be condemned, the attack on his service. What do you say to that?
G. BUSH: Well, I say they ought to get rid of all those 527s, independent expenditures that have flooded the airwaves.
There have been millions of dollars spent up until this point in time. I signed a law that I thought would get rid of
those, and I called on the senator to -- let's just get anybody who feels like they got to run to not do so.
KING: Do you condemn the statements made about his...
G. BUSH: Well, I haven't seen the ad, but what I do condemn is these unregulated, soft-money expenditures by very wealthy people, and they've said some bad things about me. I guess they're saying bad things about him. And what I think we ought to do is not have them on the air. I think there ought to be full disclosure. The campaign funding law I signed I thought was going to get rid of that. But evidently the Federal Election Commission had a different view...

Kerry spokesman Chad Clanton's response to Bush's Aug. 12, 2004 appearance:
"Tonight President Bush called Kerry's service in Vietnam 'noble.' But in the same breath refused to heed Senator McCain's call to condemn the dirty work being done by the 'Swift Boat Vets for Bush.' Once again, the President side-stepped responsibility and refused to do the right thing. His credibility is running out as fast as his time in the White House."

* * *

On Aug. 17, 2004 the campaign held a press conference at which Gen. Wesley Clark (ret.), Adm. Stansfield Turner (ret.), and several swift boat veterans rebutted the charges.

* * *

DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe issued a statement on Aug. 18, 2004:

"By saying nothing at all George W. Bush is a complicit contributor to the slanderous, lie-filled attack ads that have been launched on John Kerry on Bush's behalf. Instead of stepping up and taking the high road, George Bush's response has been evasion, avoidance, everything but disavowal.

"Larry King asked George Bush to 'condemn' it. He refused. Reporters asked the President's Press Secretary if he'd 'repudiate' it. He ducked. They can try to blame it on the rules or whoever else they want, but the blame belongs squarely on the Republicans. They wrote it. They produced it. They placed it. They paid for it. And now it is time for George W. Bush to stand up and say, 'enough.'

"This is not debate, Mr. President, and this unfounded attack on Senator Kerry has crossed the line of decency. I call on you today to condemn this ad, the men who put their lies behind it, and the donors who paid for it. It's time."

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/ads04/swiftadresponse.h...




(August 19, 2004 -- 01:26 PM EDT)

WELL, IT SEEMS there wasn't something in the air.

I didn't know the Kerry campaign was finally going to return fire today over this Swift Boat nonsense. But this morning, in a speech to the International Association of Fire Fighters in Boston, he responded squarely to the attacks. You can see complete text of the speech and the new response-ad they're running. But the key point is that he aimed his remarks at precisely the right target ...

Over the last week or so, a group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been attacking me. Of course, this group isn?t interested in the truth ? and they?re not telling the truth. They didn?t even exist until I won the nomination for president.
<...>


This is a good thing -- and not simply because Kerry has to respond to the president's surrogates who are trying (and, to an extent, succeeding) in damaging his candidacy with scurrilous and discredited attacks.

There is a meta-debate going on here, one that I'm not sure even the practitioners fully articulate to themselves and one that I'm painfully aware the victims don't fully understand.

Let's call it the Republicans' Bitch-Slap theory of electoral politics.

It goes something like this.

On one level, of course, the aim behind these attacks is to cast suspicion upon Kerry's military service record and label him a liar. But that's only part of what's going on.

Consider for a moment what the big game is here. This is a battle between two candidates to demonstrate toughness on national security. Toughness is a unitary quality, really -- a personal, characterological quality rather than one rooted in policy or divisible in any real way. So both sides are trying to prove to undecided voters either that they're tougher than the other guy or at least tough enough for the job.

<…>

This meta-message behind the president's attacks on Kerry's war record is more consequential than many believe. So hitting back hard was critical on many levels.

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Altercation Book Club: Lapdogs by Eric Boehlert
Relatively early on in the August coverage of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth story, ABC's Nightline devoted an entire episode to the allegations and reported, "The Kerry campaign calls the charges wrong, offensive and politically motivated. And points to Naval records that seemingly contradict the charges." (Emphasis added.) Seemingly? A more accurate phrasing would have been that Navy records "completely" or "thoroughly" contradicted the Swifty. In late August, CNN's scrawl across the bottom of the screen read, "Several Vietnam veterans are backing Kerry's version of events." Again, a more factual phrasing would have been "Crewmembers have always backed Kerry's version of events." But that would have meant not only having to stand up a well-funded Republican campaign attack machine, but also casting doubt on television news' hottest political story of the summer.

When the discussion did occasionally turn to the facts behind the Swift Boat allegations, reporters and pundits seemed too spooked to address the obvious—that the charges made no sense and there was little credible evidence to support them.. Substituting as host of "Meet the Press," Andrea Mitchell on Aug. 15 pressed Boston Globe reporter Anne Kornblut about the facts surrounding Kerry's combat service: "Well, Anne, you've covered him for many years, John Kerry. What is the truth of his record?" Instead of mentioning some of the glaring inconsistencies in the Swifties' allegation, such as George Elliott and Adrian Lonsdale 's embarrassing flip-flops, Kornblut ducked the question, suggesting the truth was "subjective": "The truth of his record, the criticism that's coming from the Swift Boat ads, is that he betrayed his fellow veterans. Well, that's a subjective question, that he came back from the war and then protested it. So, I mean, that is truly something that's subjective." Ten days later Kornblut scored a sit-down interview with O'Neill. In her 1,200-word story she politely declined to press O'Neill about a single factual inconsistency surrounding the Swifties' allegations, thereby keeping her Globe readers in the dark about the Swift Boat farce. (It was not until Bush was safely re-elected that that Kornblut, appearing on MSNBC, conceded the Swift Boast ads were clearly inaccurate.)

Hosting an Aug. 28 discussion on CNBC with Newsweek's Jon Meacham and Time's Jay Carney, NBC's Tim Russert finally, after weeks of overheated Swifty coverage, got around to asking the pertinent question: "Based on everything you have heard, seen, reported, in terms of the actual charges, the content of the book, is there any validity to any of it?" Carney conceded the charges did not have any validity, but did it oh, so gently: "I think it's hard to say that any one of them is by any standard that we measure these things has been substantiated." Apparently Carney forgot to pass the word along to editors at Time magazine, which is read by significantly more news consumers than Russert's weekly cable chat show on CNBC. Because it wasn't until its Sept. 20 2004 issue, well after the Swift Boat controversy had peaked, that the Time news team managed enough courage to tentatively announce the charges levied against Kerry and his combat service were "reckless and unfair." (Better late than never; Time's competitor Newsweek waited until after the election to report the Swift Boat charges were "misleading," but "very effective.") But even then, Time didn't hold the Swifties responsible for their "reckless and unfair" charges. Instead, Time celebrated them. Typing up an election postscript in November, Time toasted the Swift Boat's O'Neill as one of the campaign's "Winners," while remaining dutifully silent about the group's fraudulent charges.

That kind of Beltway media group self-censorship was evident throughout the Swift Boat story, as the perimeters of acceptable reporting were quickly established. Witness the MSM reaction to Wayne Langhofer, Jim Russell and Robert Lambert. All three men served with Kerry in Vietnam and all three men were witnesses to the disputed March 13, 1969 event in which Kerry rescued Green Beret Jim Rassmann, winning a Bronze Star and his third Purple Heart. The Swifties, after 35 years of silence, insisted Kerry did nothing special that day, and that he certainly did not come under enemy fire when he plucked Rassmann out of the drink. Therefore, Kerry did not deserve his honors.

It's true every person on Kerry's boat, along with the thankful Rassmann, insisted they were under fire, and so did the official Navy citation for Kerry's Bronze Star. Still, Swifties held to their unlikely story, and the press pretended to be confused about the stand-off. Then during the last week in August three more eyewitnesses, all backing the Navy's version of events that there had been hostile gun fire, stepped forward. They were Langhofer, Russell and Lambert.

Russell wrote an indignant letter to his local Telluride Daily Planet to dispute the Swifties' claim: "Forever pictured in my mind since that day over 30 years ago John Kerry bending over his boat picking up one of the rangers that we were ferrying from out of the water. All the time we were taking small arms fire from the beach; although because of our fusillade into the jungle, I don't think it was very accurate, thank God. Anyone who doesn't think that we were being fired upon must have been on a different river."

The number of times Russell was subsequently mentioned on CNN: 1. On Fox News: 1. MSNBC: 0. ABC: 1. On CBS: 0. On NBC: 0.

Like Russell, Langhofer also remembered strong enemy gunfire that day. An Aug. 22 article in the Washington Post laid out the details: "Until now, eyewitness evidence supporting Kerry's version had come only from his own crewmen. But yesterday, The Post independently contacted a participant who has not spoken out so far in favor of either camp who remembers coming under enemy fire. “There was a lot of firing going on, and it came from both sides of the river,” said Wayne D. Langhofer, who manned a machine gun aboard PCF-43, the boat that was directly behind Kerry’s. Langhofer said he distinctly remembered the “clack, clack, clack” of enemy AK-47s, as well as muzzle flashes from the riverbanks." (For some strange reason the Post buried its Langhofer scoop in the 50th paragraph of the story.)

The number of times Langhofer was subsequently mentioned on CNN: 0. On Fox News: 0. On MSNBC: 0. On ABC: 0. CBS: 0. NBC: 0.

As for Lambert, The Nation magazine uncovered the official citation for the Bronze Medal he won that same day and it too reported the flotilla of five U.S. boats "came under small-arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks."

The number of times Lambert was mentioned on. On Fox News: 1. On CNN: 0. On MSNBC: 0. ABC: 1 On CBS: 0. On NBC: 0.

Additionally, the Washington Post's Michael Dobbs, who served as the paper's point person on the Swifty scandal, was asked during an Aug. 30, 2004, online chat with readers why the paper hadn't reported more aggressively on the public statements of Langhofer, Russell and Lambert. Dobbs insisted, "I hope to return to this subject at some point to update readers." But he never did. Post readers, who were deluged with Swifty reporting, received just the sketchiest of facts about Langhofer, Russell and Lambert.

If that doesn't represent a concerted effort by the press to look the other way, than what does?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12799378/#060518



Please use this information as a guideline for 2006 and 2008 campaigns. What the media edits out of our campaigns is CRUCIAL to public perception.

Even many Democrats are unaware of the real fight that occurred in 2004 and are buying wholesale the corporate media spin which conveniently protects the corporate media who failed to give honest coverage of Kerry's defense against the lies of the swift vets and their Republican handlers.

Not recognizing the extent of the corporate media's duplicity is a danger for all Democratic candidates in 2006 and 2008.

This can and WILL happen to any Democratic candidate.

This CAN and WILL happen to ANY Democratic candidate. FIGHT THE MYTHS. Stay tough KNOWING the media is aligned with these liars.
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Ramonna Villota Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 10:38 PM
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22. nice
I love posts like this (great post)

Well written
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-08 08:54 AM
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26. It's just copied from Research Forum...the links are live and well there.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 02:12 PM
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8. This part is key:
Obama has spent $27 million on general-election ads and McCain has spent $25 million, according to Evan Tracey of Campaign Media Analysis Group, which tracks political ads.

Political campaigns almost always buy ad time in local markets, city by city, to target their ads more precisely. As a result, many Americans never see a presidential ad — while some see thousands. Most political ads in June, for example, appeared on morning and evening news shows, Jeopardy and Oprah, according to Tracey's group.


Campaign ads are costly so they have to be strategically placed. Some people seem to think that a once a campaign makes an ad and everyone in America gets to see it.



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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-08 12:56 PM
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27. Yep - that's why corpmedia can spin away and many Dems will get sucked in
and repeat the spin for years.
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 02:16 PM
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9. What's the oppisite of "concern trolls"?
"Everything is OK trolls"? Seriously though, I think there's a difference between posters who are obviously trying to stir anti-Obama shit up, and others that may be seriously worried about the Obama campaign's strategy.
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 03:03 PM
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11. The Concerns Trolls Have These Unsupported 1 Liner Attacks On The Campaign
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 03:06 PM by Median Democrat
That usually have a rhetorical question like "Why aren't they attacking more!" Or, "Where are the Obama Ads!" The threads are filled with uninformed assumptions regarding the Obama campaign with the biggest assumption being an ommission, the pervasive influence of Big Media. Big Media gets a free pass, because the trolls assume that if Obama attacked McCain or if he ran a commercial, it would receive the same coverage given to McCain's attacks. This has been repeatedly proved to be false most recently in a study conducted noted by the LA Times.

In comparison, look at the responses to this thread. They are filled with facts and analysis, rather than random, "Why Aren't We Doing Better?!?!?!?" posts.

It would be nice if more criticism was constructive and informed. For example, I do think that Obama campaign needs to actively and even more aggressively explore the use of alternative media such as youtube, and Obama should continue to focus on the ground game, and not forego the huge rallies because Big Media tells Obama to do so. My take on big rallies is that they energize people, and they make it tough for Big Media to avoid the enthusiasm surrounding Obama. The fact that Obama is getting attacked for these big rallies is a sign that these rallies are effective in allowing Obama to side-step the talking heads, and talk directly to the voters.

I would also like to see the potential VPs more. This is my main criticism. The potential VPs will get media attention, because they are potential VPs. I would consider having them conduct more interviews and become more visible, in part to see how they handle being an Obama surrogate. Can they stay consistent to Obama's platform, or do they allow themselves to become a distraction by trying to push the envelope? How do they handle questions designed to exploit differences of opinion between Obama and the possible VP?
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 02:26 PM
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10. I ask and will continue to ask: WHERE ARE THE FUCKING DEMOCRATS??
Here's my thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I'm not really blaming Obama, but he hasn't really gone on the offense. However, even if he did, the M$M would spin that to his disadvantage. I'm not sure what the answer is. If no matter what he does--good or bad--the press spins as something negative, I don't know what Obama can do to combat that. Regardless of how much money, organization or support Obama has, if the M$M has a history of helping Republicans such that their take on things has a substantial impact on public opinion that translates into skewed polls, I don't know what can be done to turn that around.

I know that we can write letters and turn off the T.V., but what about the low information voters which are a majority of the American electorate? How do we persuade them when they refuse to even admit that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction? How to we convince them that they've been lied to because the T.V. told them otherwise? Again, I'm not sure how much we or anyone else can do to influence public opinion such that people stop voting against their own best interests.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 03:14 PM
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12. Don't call us concern trolls because we don't have our heads in the sand
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 03:14 PM by Bullet1987
Case in point...Obama laughing off Phil Gramm when he should have made a scathing ad attacking his comments.
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 03:23 PM
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13. See, As I Said, One Line Post. No analysis or facts.
All we get are these concern posts with anecdotal references. Are you suggesting that ad numbers are wrong? Are you suggesting that what Obama said today was not said? Also, what is your response regarding Big Media? Also, Obama is running attacks ads, as noted in the article. I've seen them.
What is your solution for getting Fox News to devote an entire evening playing and replaying that attack ad?

(crickets)

To confirm you are full of it, please respond with another 1 liner or an ad hominem attack devoid of support or links.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 03:26 PM
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14. The FACT is we missed an opportunity with the Gramm comments
There's nothing "concern trollish" about that as it is FACT! Instead of going to boardroom meetings with Bush economic people...which Rachel Maddow even called dumb...he should be hitting the doors. I guess he's become too good for that.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 03:35 PM
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16. When folks are in denial about a pattern, no amount of facts will suffice
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 03:58 PM
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18. Thank you for confirming my point!
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 03:59 PM by Median Democrat
As previously noted:

"To confirm you are full of it, please respond with another 1 liner or an ad hominem attack devoid of support or links."

:rofl:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 04:07 PM
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19. We discussed this AT LENGTH yesterday
Perhaps along with a propensity for insulting folks, you also have a short memory.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6555199&mesg_id=6555199
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 10:34 PM
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21. Yes, And Your Strategy Of Simply Outspending McCain Was Naive
For the reasons discussed in this story. As noted in this story in the NYT, Big Media has shown McCain's commercials hundreds of times even though they are demonstrably false. They are fictional, yet instead of simply discussing the fact that it false, Fox News plays the commercial hundreds of times for free. Now, to follow your proposed strategy of simply matching the times McCain's ads gets free air time, Obama would need to raise close to a billion dollars, not just the hundreds of millions he has. Your strategy simply does not take into account or respond to the fact that Big Media is heavily biased, thus you cannot rely on traditional tactics like simply trying to come up with a clever new commercial and play it a lot or have everyone use the magical word of the day "grumpy," "confused," or "McSame."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25938013/

Obama needs to stick to, and expand on what made him successful, not abandon it, and try to follow some Son-of-Rove strategy because Rove's strategy depends on the bias of Big Media, which will give McCain's campaign freebies.

Tell me. Do you disagree with the idea the Big Media is biased and that it will give McCain's ads hundreds of free showings?
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 03:38 PM
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17. I am hopeful, but not a concern troll (LOL!)
Excellent post! :thumbsup:
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Born_A_Truman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 04:13 PM
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20. Obama responds...
NOT A QUOTE: (Was just on MSNBC but I am paraphrasing here)

"He doesn't seem to have anything positive to say about himself...he only has negative things to say about me. You might want to ask him about what he stands for..."
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 10:42 PM
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24. Obama has done a fine job Defining Himself - he hasn't stooped to McBush's level in attack ads yet..
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