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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:26 PM
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If these nuts pray for rain during Obama's Convention speech, then why
don't they pray for sunshine before hurricanes or tropical storms like Fay, strike, and if they don't...why not? Why do they hate America and Americans?

Why don't they pray for amputees to be cured?

I don't get it...but I'm just not that bright...
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darius15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:29 PM
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1. Very true
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:33 PM
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2. The religious right hates what they term "liberals" and a liberal can be anyone
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 06:34 PM by whistle
...who does NOT have their point of view:

<snip>
What scares right wingers to the bone?
By Mike Hersh, Jan 31, 2003

What scares right wingers to the bone? Freedom. Free speech. Free thoughts. Free people. Why? They feel insecure in an uncertain universe. Right wingers crave order and simplicity, and will impose these things where they are not and should never be.

Actual conservatives -- equally skeptical of over-concentrated power in religious, private AND government hands -- are few and far between in the current conservative "movement."

A recent a San Francisco Chronicle article by Marc Sandalow examines the current crop of right wing "conservatives" who attended the national Conservative Political Action Conference in a public display of right wing pathology.

Sandalow describes Dick Cheney leading right wingers in mob hysteria reminiscent of the "Five Minute Hate" sessions depicted in Orwell's classic 1984.

The article reported right wingers conducted "

anels to discuss 'real stories of real liberal bias on real college campuses,' and 'Are liberals an endangered species?'"

They paid "special tribute" to bigots like Phyllis Schlafly "to honor her work on the '20th anniversary of the defeat of the ERA'" and lined up for "Book signings featured authors such as Mona Charen, who wrote 'Useful Idiots: How Liberals Got It Wrong in the Cold War and Still Blame America First.'"

Sandalow noted that right wingers hate Hillary Clinton and often resort to infantile slogans in lieu of logic or facts. "'It takes a village to elect an idiot,' read one sign," from someone who confused New York State with a tiny hamlet.

Other typically simple-minded mockery abounded as "'Save a tree -- eat a beaver,' proclaimed one group's bumper sticker," and "'So you're a feminist. Isn't that cute,' read another."

Attendees bought "Democrats are evildoers," and "'Proud Member of the Right Wing Conspiracy' license plates." They sold each other "Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun" and "'End Global Whining' bumper stickers."

Meanwhile, "One vendor was hawking a placard that twisted the "s" in Islam into a swastika, while another offered a bumper sticker proclaiming, "No Muslims -- No Terrorism."

Other bigots proudly displayed rants about "The homosexual agenda," and "distributed pamphlets that warned of 'a sweeping strategy to affirm homosexuality in the nation's schools,'"

Other publications "proclaimed the acceptance of 'sexual orientation' as a civil right as having a profoundly destructive effect on business and society." See Conservatives say they're on a roll February 2, 2003: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/02/02/BA175060.DTL

How different from Barry Goldwater's view that you don't have to be straight to serve your country in uniform; you only have to shoot straight. Today's Right wingers think otherwise.

Convicted felon G. Gordon Liddy "joked" on the air about killing gays by firing them out of torpedo tubes. A typical right winger, Liddy broadcast brags about taking target practice at life-sized images of President Bill Clinton, and advised his listeners how best to kill government agents who might wear protective vests: "Head shots! Use head shots!"

There are some true conservatives whose views remain in line with historical conservatism, but even they often embrace William F. Buckley / Ronald Reagan right wing extremism.

Thanks to Buckley, Reagan, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, most so-called "conservatives" are really nothing of the kind. Right wingers are theocrats and pseudo-libertarian Social Darwinists or even fascists who embrace authority and power over the individual.

Dissent threatens right wingers' fragile sense of security. They demand that everyone believes whatever they believe -- even if that belief changes at the whim of their superiors -- because. Well just because! And don't ask questions!

Right wingers' reverence for authority makes them believe whatever their superiors tell them to believe. Their fear and insecurity make them shun the unknown and prevents them from questioning tradition or thinking in new ways.

I'd say right wingers demand that everyone think whatever they think but right wingers don't think. They listen and obey. Free thinking threatens right wingers. It weakens their precarious hold on their make-believe world.

Everyone clings to the familiar and fears the unknown to some degree. What makes right wingers different? It's their unwillingness to face these fears and strike out into the wider world.

No right winger ever came up with a new idea. No right winger developed a new medical cure, discovered a new territory, or envisioned a new approach to anything. In fact, right wingers reflexively oppose anything new.

Right wingers are stuck in time. In 1776 they attacked George Washington and supported King George III against valid criticisms from the patriots. Right wingers attack patriots who make valid criticisms against George W. Bush today.

In 1776 right wingers attacked Adam Smith, the father of capitalism and clung to failed Mercantilism. Today, right wingers oppose reforms Smith advocated to protect and invigorate capitalism. Such as anti-trust, fair trade practices, SEC regulations, and other protections for consumers, investors, workers and the environment. All of these reforms keep the economy and society healthy and growing. Right wingers reject them all.

W. Bush scorned these life-saving and economy-expanding approached in his State of the Union Address. He echoed the Reaganite disdain for checks and balances, preferring to give a blank check to big business. This demonstrates the reflexive right wing support for power over people and abuse over progress.

Right wingers dislike education and they loath science. New information and the uncertainty fostered by the free flow of fresh thinking undermine their sense of stability. They are still in denial about evolution!

Education may lead to progress and new ideas. Science uncovers new facts. Therefore, right wingers fear learning and research. Progress threatens their precious predictable status quo.

Right wingers believe superstitions and embrace propaganda. They ignore information that challenges their prejudices and preconceptions. They therefore lack judgment and eschew conception.

Right wingers care about their feelings, not facts. Facts must either support rigid right wing beliefs, or else the facts must be wrong. Those who present facts which contradict right wing dogma must be evil.

Right wingers believe in absurd contradictions, impervious to logic or education. Right wingers flock to cults of personality.

Right wingers cling to known "misleaders" like Reagan, Bush and Bush, deifying the undeserving. Meanwhile they hate champions of social progress who seek to help them attain wealth, health and wisdom.

Right wingers flock to propagandists like "Rush" Limbaugh, and eagerly participate in their own brain washing. They accept as religious doctrine that the corrupt, inept Reagan -- who had 140 criminals in his White House, blocked research and education on AIDS, and supported death squads who killed Nuns and terrorists who killed 240 US Marines -- was moral, but Bill and Hillary Clinton are evil incarnate.

Right wingers support idiotic, even fatal policies because they place nonsense over knowledge. They believe using condoms increases the chance of pregnancy and STDs. They think racism is OK, but pointing out racism is "playing the race card." Poor white male right wingers blame poor non-whites and non-males for the injustices rich white males commit.

Right wingers support the policies which comprise class warfare, but whine when anyone demonstrates the injustice of robbing the needy to enrich the greedy. Poor and working class right wingers believe increasing their taxes makes them richer, if Enron and Bill Gates get huge tax cuts.

Right wingers support theocracy and fascism -- actually craving a unified authority over their lives and even their afterlives! They support censorship. They want to impose their religious views on everyone.

They want to punish anyone who strays from the fold. They brutally suppress anyone who questions authority, and they always obey abusive controllers. They are afraid of their own freedom. They are even more afraid of yours.

None of this would really matter, except for the tendency of right wingers to burn books; burn crosses, and burn people at the stake -- although they tend not to do that so much any more. Lately they beat to death gays, firebomb nightclubs and women's clinics, assassinate doctors, and vote for other right wingers.

What scares right wingers to the bone? Essays like this, people like me who write them, and people like you who read them and pass them on.

http://www.mikehersh.com/What_scares_right_wingers.shtml

<also see>
Liberalism vs. Conservatism and Right-Wing Radicalism
By Mike Hersh
Apr 16, 2004

http://www.mikehersh.com/Liberalism_vs_Conservatism.shtml

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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:38 PM
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3. This needs to be its own discussion topic - too good to get buried in a thread.....n/t
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:56 PM
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7. You think? Go ahead and run with it DU mods have me on alert as a hate monger
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:39 PM
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10. Where are your journals? Reference, but nothing there. Hate Monger? All I have to go on is this
post.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 08:01 AM
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11. I've never maintained one...I read, respond and post for the purpose
...of discussion or query and hopefully to learn the truth or at least become better informed. I have never had intentional malaise, but I suppose as with beauty, hate takes form in the mind of the beholder.

I felt this reference to the contrast between the conservative and liberal had some relevance here, but I have had too many of my recent posts censored on the grounds I mentioned.

If you see merit in what I included above, then you are most welcome to begin a discussion with that topic using those references. Hopefully the mods will show more tolerance with you and allow the topic its full unfurling.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:38 PM
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4. people who do this are hiding behind 'religion' because
they know, without the 'religious shield' they use to justify their bigotry and hate, they'd have to stand and face their own personal reflection.

Evil isn't 'out there' it is everywhere- as Obama wisely touched on.

"god" is used to cover a multitude of bad actions, and hateful prejudices.

IMO-


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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:40 PM
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5. Because they only pray when they need something that they can benefit from......
They are selfish self absorbed SOBs. That's why.
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hoosier_lefty Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:56 PM
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6. hurricanes aren't gay...
....and the amputee was not aborted.
After you're born you're on your own.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:57 PM
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8. As if God would join them in their petty hateful bullshit
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:57 PM
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9. Why don't they pray for rain in the drought areas?
and why doesn't God answer those prayers with a "yes"?
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 08:09 AM
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12. I'd be perfectly happy if it rains...
75,000 Obama fans cheering him on in the rain would be quite a site to behold. Theres no way rain will keep people away from this.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 09:32 AM
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13. According to my Wiccan friends...
...this will come back to bite 'em in the ass.


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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 09:41 AM
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14. Or why can't they accept that if God's will was for it to rain on Obama's speech
that they wouldn't have to pray for it?
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 09:57 AM
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15. They DO pray for things like that....but like all
begging to a non-existant being, they never are answered. And when their "prayers" are NOT answered, its just "GODS" will. And mankind isnt priveledged to know gods will. I grew up a holy roller.....I am speaking from experience. Then my eyes were opened, thank goodness.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:28 AM
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16. You hit on something that I always say to people:
"I'll believe in the power of prayer to heal when I see ONE amputee healed. Just one."


In all of human history, there has to be at least ONE amputee who truly prayed to be healed and was pure of heart.

And we would've certainly heard about an amputee magically growing a new limb, dontcha think?



Like George Carlin said.... he began praying to Joe Pesci instead of to "God".... and he noticed he got the same 50% return rate on having his prayers answered.

The only difference.... he has evidence that Joe Pesci is REAL, and that's what tipped him in that direction.


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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:02 AM
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17. Funny! and what a loss to human-kind or at least
thinking-human-kind..

irreplacable
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:05 AM
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18. Only Angry Old Testiment God answers prayers, silly.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 12:14 PM
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19. I don't know, but I've taken to praying lightning hits their church.
Of course, as an atheist, I haven't got that same hot line to the Almighty.
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