The Smell Test

[madaboutharry]

Those of you here who may be somewhat familiar with my posts here on DU would know that I don't usually engage in rumor mongering. But something is very wrong here.

I just spoke with someone in my family who is a medical doctor and asked about Gov. Palin's 12-hour flight from Texas to Alaska after her water broke.

He said that once water breaks a woman needs to get to the nearest hospital where the mother would be monitored. Secondly, a baby could come as soon as 20 minutes after water breaks. And third, knowing that a baby would be born with Downs Syndrome would usually involve giving birth in a hospital with a neo-natal intensive care unit since babies with Downs Syndrome often have serious heart abnormalities.

The last thing he told me is that Gov. Palin is either stupid or a liar.

Just reporting, you decide.

[hisownpetard]

1. Or both. I vote for 'both.'

[abburdlen]

2. third choice

one can be both stupid and a liar.

[baldguy]

3. I'd put my money on stupid.

[avaistheone1]

37. By clinical definition this was a HIGH RISK pregnancy.

Palin was both over 35 and carrying a baby with a genetic disorder = high risk pregnancy

If Palin is in fact the mother and this is the way Palin handled it when her water broke - Sarah has a true disrespect for life and it not a very smart woman.

I would not want her leading our country.

[TexasObserver]

4. and with one of the best such facilities in the world in Houston ...

Texas Children's Hospital

How great can care be anywhere in Alaska?

It just doesn't wash.

[Hepburn]

5. Excellent observation.

IMO, the baby was being born in Alaska, so mother Palin had to get there to pretend it was hers.

This dog don't hunt.

[Binka]

11. Hey TO I Will Weigh In With My Speculation To What Has Happened Here

The daughter is the mother. She has a prolonged absence from school, claims of mono to hide the last months. How fucking 1950's is this? But remember these fucktards live in fairyville. Sarah and fundie dad are gonna make her have the baby but they are going to have the baby adopted. Good, get the baby out of the press, keep Sarah's political career safe. Check.

But the adoptive parents want to make sure the baby is "normal". Oops test show the baby has Downs. Check. Adoptive parents back out of the gig. Oops. Now Sarah has to "announce" her pregnancy. The Grannie is now gonna be the mom. Check. Then Sarah goes to Texas thinking the baby will not be born until May. Oops the baby comes EARLY. So this shit for brains concocts a story that defies logic and she tells people her water broke but she decides to fly back to Alaska and have the baby there.

Oh yeah, right, a woman with water leaking or broke is gonna take a 10+ hour plane ride back to deliver. But she has to get back there because that is where the cover is safe. She isn't preggers and she could no sooner go to a hospital in Texas then I would chew off my right leg.

She goes back to work three fucking days after giving birth? Most women can't even brush their teeth properly after three days post birth. Especially at 44. I know I had a baby at 41 and it kicked my ass. I have three other children and a birth at 40+ is ROUGH.

This entire story is "truth is stranger than fiction". Sarah is a hypocrite and a fucking liar. Just my 2 cents.

[tekisui]

13. Aren't there medical records and birth certificates?

Was the baby born in the hospital?

Someone other than Palin and the daughter know which uterus this came from.

[Binka]

16. The Re-Pukes Keep Things Secret

Do you think the assholes who helped this thing go down are gonna spill the beans? Records? HAH! That shit can be doctored. Pun intended.

[Midlodemocrat]

25. HIPAA. The best chance that this story will be

corroborated is if the father of the baby comes forward. Presuming he knew.

[TexasObserver]

20. Your assessment is dead solid perfect, Binka.

The part about the pending adoption falling through makes a ton of sense. Mom became the obvious choice late in the game, but they had to concoct a cover story.

People who think they're righteous, like these fundies, have zero compunction about lying to achieve their goals.

I do believe the daughter is mother to the baby.

[Midlodemocrat]

22. The 'mono' thing doesn't wash with me.

My daughter had mono three years ago. It is pretty standard to give a Prednisone taper to newly diagnosed mono cases which will make the person feel better within days.

Not sure why the daughter had to miss months and months of school. Even a pretty severe case would allow a child to return to school within a couple of weeks.

And, there has been no mention of homeschooling or homebound instruction for this daughter, either.

[Nine]

24. That speculation makes a lot of sense (nt)

[mnhtnbb]

26. Your analysis of the story sounds very probable. It didn't make sense

to me why these fundies would bother with the tests to know whether the fetus had medical problems,
EXCEPT if they were giving it up for adoption.

Nice call, Binka.

[ensho]

28. cripe, I was still doing hot sit baths to stop the pain of stitches

at day 3

I don't believe Palin.

[crispini]

30. Here's the problem with that.

Why would she tell people her water broke at all?

I see no reason to say that your water broke. It didn't change her plans at all.

[Binka]

31. The Baby Was EARLY So She Had To Set The Stage For The Birth

She was afraid the birth would take place befors she got back to Alaska and she was covering her ass. Stupid yes, but she is a Re-puke tool.

[crispini]

38. Well, that does make some sense... Hmm...

:tinfoilhat: Hahah!

[Solomon]

33. Damn good theory Binka.

Makes more sense than the official story so far.

[No Elephants]

34. An emergency C-Section is always a possibility, isn't it? You'd need an operating room, STAT.

[maseman]

6. I work for a company where many of us travel ALOT

I know from pregnant co-workers that typically doctors encourage women not to fly the last 3O days of the third trimester. Part of it is due to the stress of flying (many people are scared shitless) and that is unhealthy. Plus you can get blood clots from sitting too long. If this lady flew after her water broke then she was REALLY being reckless. Can't wait to see what she'll do for our country.

[KittyWampus]

9. plus, it was PREMATURE.

[apnu]

7. I concur about the water breaking

When my son was born, my wife's water broke in the early morning hours. We went into the hospital and to have things checked out, they kept her and our son was born by 3:16 PM that afternoon.

But being a well experience mother, this being her 5th child, she knew damn well what was going on with her body, and knew damn well her water broke. And if it didn't she knew she was having the baby very soon, she choose to get on a plane for hours and hours to go home so her baby could be an "Alaskan"

Shameless political pandering, again. It seems all Palin has in her bag, and all McCain has in the twilight of his long Senatorial career.

[KittyWampus]

8. you forgot to tell your doctor the water broke prematurely.

[medicswife]

10. Well, she said something in her speech yesterday that

told me the answer is that she is a liar. I'm a military wife. My husband is in Iraq again. We've gone through two deployments of our own and I've seen my friends husband's leave time and time again. Sarah claims that her son WILL deploy on September 11, how PATRIOTIC!!! However, I know from experience that the exact DATE of deployment is never fixed. Nor is even the window of DATES ever to be disseminated, especially to the media! Her son is Active Duty, and will deploy with an infantry brigade. That much is true. This he's leaving on Sept. 11 stuff is bullshit. A flat out lie, or a clear violation of Operational Security.

[Binka]

14. Bingo! When my son went to Iraq there was NO date set.

If there was we were not privy to that information. This is shameless pandering to 9/11. How crass and disrespectful to those that died on 9/11 and to those that serve. Very Re-Puke.

[medicswife]

15. I can't believe that this aspect hasn't been jumped on by

someone in the media. Because if she is telling the truth and her son's unit will deploy 9/11, then she just put the whole operation in jeopardy. There are hundreds of soldiers in that unit and a potential VP's son would be considered by Terrorists a High Value Target. So, by her going and blabber-mouthing the date of his deployment, she just put every single soldier in the Unit at risk.

Loose Lips Sink Ships

[Binka]

17. The Media Is Promoting This Lie

Because it makes people go Boo-Hoo her son is leaving on 9/11. It is yet another lie. It is McAssholes convention ploy.

[medicswife]

21. I'm starting to see message boards and blogs that have

picked up on it. And I'm starting to see a rebuttal that says that is not the date of the deployment, but the date of a CEREMONY. Which means, like I said before, she's a damned liar.

[Nine]

12. It's preposterous, isn't it?

And some DUers are saying we shouldn't be digging this up. Who's digging? These are the public facts and anyone is free to pass judgment on it. And how anyone can buy this BS is beyond me. Stupid or lying. There are really no other options.

[AzDar]

18. Kick...

:kick:

[AzDar]

19. self-delete

[mnhtnbb]

23. My brother is an OB-Gyn. I've had two complicated pregnancies myself.

Palin either has a completely incompetent OB, or she's nuts, or she's a liar. Anyway you look at it,
her judgment is questionable.

[CreekDog]

27. she also said the Dr. said it was okay, i have trouble believing that

and it would be a very big deal for a fundie type to have a pregnant kid.

of course, this is all from knowing, for all we know, the kid could have been adopted to create this story that the religious right would eat up.

but something is just a bit out of whack, and if it's true, something is way out of whack.

[crispini]

29. I can make a plausible case for "stupid"

Fifth child, and from that sort of outdoorsy suck it up and deal with it kind of mentality. Add in the fact that supposedly her water didn't break, just a trickle, I have read, perhaps she did just decide to be casual about the whole thing.

I honestly find that a little more plausible than the whole sort of cloak and dagger babyswapping with daughter kind of thing.

Of course, if the National Enquirer knows what's good for it, they've got a pack of reporters on their way to Alaska right now, haha.

[Binka]

32. Come On Crisp Think Darker Than That

NO woman with four children would think a 10+ flight from Houston to Alaska is an OK thing to do even with a leak. She is both lying and stupid. I did not endure 9 years with "shit dog the home wrecker" for nothing. That SOB taught me how to sniff out a LIAR.

[Bettie]

I am currently pregnant ...

...even though I know the drill, every single appointment comes with a reminder from the doctor and the nurses to come to the hospital immediately if there is a gush or trickle of anything that might be my water breaking. This is followed by a reminder that not to seek medical attention immediately puts the baby at risk of infection as its sterile environment has been breached at that point.

Now, I'm extra worried about this stuff in general, as we lost our first child during an induced labor/emergency c-section, but everyone I know is careful not to put their unborn babies at risk, it just hurts too much to lose them after waiting so long for them to get here.

Oh, and doctors tell nearly everyone not to travel that late in pregnancy!!

Its just weird.

[Bettie]

35. Duplicate....please delete!

Ooops....must have hit the button twice!

[Binka]

36. It Is So Weird It Just Stinks

The baby is in jeopardy once the water is broken. No fucking sane women gets on a plane for 10+ hours after this happens. Plus flying is very uncomfortable with out being pregnant, flying under these conditions? Absolutely did not happen. Sarah was NOT pregnant.