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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:32 AM
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"Doesn't the pick of Palin show McCain's a maverick? Not even a little?"
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 10:39 AM by jenmito
Alex Witt just asked a reporter from the Washington Post (I think) if McCain's pick of Palin proves he's a maverick because she's a woman. He replied that it does NOT-that this pick thrilled Rush Limbaugh and other conservatives, pointing out that McCain only met this woman once before the final interview. He went on to say that a "maverick" choice would've been choosing Lieberman or Ridge, two people McCain really likes, and THAT would've shown he doesn't care what his base thinks of him. So after all of that, Witt asked, "Not even a LITTLE (of a 'maverick' choice)?" The reporter repeated NO.

Then later, Joe Watkins was on and claimed "the definition of a maverick is someone who puts country first" and Palin fits that description. :wtf: But I can see the media is really swallowing the McCain line that choosing Palin is not only the MOVE of a maverick, but Palin HERSELF is a maverick. :eyes:
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:34 AM
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1. no, it shows that he is erratic and impulsive! And a sell out to the fundies.
heh, wasn't Alex Witt fired from somewhere else for showing bias? I read that on DU once...I'll have to investigate.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:50 AM
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7. Yup. I even remember a strategist saying, BEFORE the pick, if he chooses
someone he really likes, like Lieberman or Ridge, it will show he is staying true to himself...but if he chooses someone ultra-conservative, it will show he is more worried about pleasing the "Rush Limbaughs" of his party.
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RinaX Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:34 AM
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2. Great Great Point
Any pick that pleases the establishment, even if it confuses the more rational republicans out there, is NOT a maverick pick. The fact that he turned away from the guys he really wanted because Karl Rove told him to is NO maverick.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:53 AM
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8. What gets ME is the media is gushing over Palin AND MccCain as if
he's SUCH a maverick for picking someone so unexpected. It proves just the opposite-he sold out once again to the extreme RW of his party.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:35 AM
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3. No, it shows that he didn't put his country first in choosing a potential president.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:55 AM
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9. Exactly. An "independent" group should put out an ad showing McCain saying
that readiness to be president is always the first consideration, then show Palin saying she doesn't even know the JOB of a VP, and then ask, "Country first?"
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True_Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:37 AM
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4. Shows he has poor judgement
As a former Hilliary supporter, this pick is an insult. Palin is against everything Hillary stood for.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:07 AM
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12. Yup. Did you happen to see last night's Daily Show? Samantha Bee was
saying how she's going to vote for McCain because he chose a woman-and HILLARY is a woman. When Stewart "pointed out" that Hillary and Palin have nothing in common-that Palin is pro-life, against equal pay for women, against gay rights, etc., she replied something like, "Stop! That's too much for my female brain! We have the same parts! I'm voting for McCain!" Isn't it sad that there are people who really think that way?
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True_Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:19 AM
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17. Voting for Palin would be an insult to Hillary
No way will Hillary's supporters vote for McCain now.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:57 AM
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26. The fake Hillary supporters will vote for McCain, like those PUMAS whom I think
are either Repubs. pretending to be Dems. or they're so prejudiced they'd never vote for a Black person.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:40 AM
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5. I think it shows that McCain caves under pressure
He totally capitulated to the loony extreme of the Republican party..
and that certainly isn't the mark of a maverick.
McCain's proving to be more of a milquetoast
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:10 AM
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13. Exactly. He has shown he'll do anything to get elected-putting country LAST.
Someone needs to make an ad about how "UNmaverickish" he is.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:41 AM
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6. Bush is a maverick...
we see how well that worked out. NOT. People really need to see this maverick thing as a bad thing, not a good thing.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:11 AM
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14. Bush and McCain are both the same-whatever people call them.
We can't allow the "maverick" title to stick even when he's just the opposite now.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:58 AM
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10. Maria Bartomolramo (sp?) or whatever her name is, praised Palin and kept calling her
a "maverick" and "independent thinker." I lost my lunch after that. Seems to be the media talking point: Palin is a reformer. A maverick in her right. A miracle worker in her state that cares for ordinary people...
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:20 AM
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18. Bartaromo I think. I'm not surprised-she's a Repub. and wants McCain to win to keep big business
happy. Palin is not fit to be VP-a heartbeat away from the presidency. She already lied in her speech she gave the first day. She claimed she was against the "bridge to nowhere" when she was FOR it at first.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:03 AM
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11. I was just going to say as much. McCain is pandering to the Dobsons and the Roberts and ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cvn_palin_evangelicals

Focus on the Family founder James Dobson, who initially said he could not vote for McCain but has since opened the door to an endorsement, called Palin "an outstanding choice that should be extremely reassuring to the conservative base" of the GOP. Dobson added that the ticket "gives us confidence he will keep his pledges to voters regarding the kinds of justices he would nominate to the Supreme Court."

P.A.N.D.E.R.E.R

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:26 AM
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21. WOW-He made James Dobson happy? What a maverick!
:eyes:
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:12 AM
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15. It's time to take the maverick to the glue factory
or put him out to pasture.
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:16 AM
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16. What's lovely about McCain's blunder in this pick ...
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 11:17 AM by elkston
is that it plays directly into the "temperment" issue that Obama officially opened up with his acceptance speech on Thursday.

Obama's VP pick was the result of a measured and steady process.
He thought not only of short-term gain in winning the election, but the long term goal of governing.

McCain's pick, on the other hand, was impulsive and reckless. Not the qualities we want of a commander in chief.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:54 AM
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25. Very true. They all said picking your VP is your first important decision that shows your
judgment. Obama won BIG-time on this one.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:21 AM
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19. They've been calling Palin a maverick, too, so I guess we're running against
a maverick and maverickess.:rofl:
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:25 AM
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20. Both McCondo & Palin are extreme risk-takers.
That makes me very uncomfortable. It wouldn't surprise me if they started trying to out do each other.

McCain will do anything to get elected this time.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:31 AM
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22. No it tells volumes about how McCain likes his women, pretty, young &
inexperience, oh and all of them were beauty queens
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:12 PM
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28. Jon Stewart called Palin McCain's "third wife."
I wouldn't be surprised if they have an affair.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:33 AM
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23. Has Joe Watkins consulted a dictionary any time recently?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:16 PM
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29. Since when do Repubs. care about what words MEAN?
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:26 PM
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36. They obviously don't, if they go around making up definitions for words.
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:36 AM
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24. He's whipped
It proves he's Rush's bitch.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:17 PM
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30. Yup.
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:02 PM
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27. Lieberman definitely would have been the 'maverick' choice.
I honestly would have been a little worried with Lieberman on the ticket because of his appeal to indies. Hardcore conservatives will bite their tongues and vote Republican no matter what. Palin will not score the women vote, there's no way. She may even drive some men from voting the ticket. It's a two way street and she is simply a poor choice to suddenly be elevated to a position like VP. It's ridiculous. McCain's camp has definitely lost their minds.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:22 PM
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32. That's for sure!
IF he had chosen someone like Lieberman, not only would he have a REASON to call himself a "maverick" in that regard, he MAY have gotten some Hillary supporters and Independents. Now all he did was "sure up" his conservative base which has fewer voters than ever. This choice WILL probably turn off men and anyone else who wanted reassurance that if anything happened to McCain, his VP would be COMPETENT.
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kwyjibo Donating Member (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:20 PM
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31. Let's define "maverick" for the MSM. It's a non-conformist, a rebel. Someone who votes with Bush 90%
of the time is not a rebel, he's a chump.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:23 PM
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33. Exactly. n/t
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:24 PM
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34. If by "maverick" you mean
"unqualified joke" then yes, bot McCain and Palin are clear mavericks.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:33 PM
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37. I wish that's what people thought it meant.
:)
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:26 PM
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35. HERE is the real maverick!
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 12:27 PM by dana_b
Not damn McSame and Paltry



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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:38 PM
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38. I think McCain is THIS kind of "maverick":
mav·er·ick (mvr-k, mvrk)
n.
1. An unbranded range animal, especially a calf that has become separated from its mother, traditionally considered the property of the first person who brands it




The neocons branded McCain and own him.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:21 PM
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39. ZING!
the first person who brands it? LOLOLOL!
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