i do not say it lightly when i say that part of me feels palin should be ashamed of herself

[fizzgig]

i find mccain's pick of palin as his running mate to be condescending and insulting as a half-veiled attempt to appease and attract disaffected clinton supporters. in my view, his campaign (and the party) is asking us to ignore the fact that she and her views are the polar opposite of clinton's and dems/liberals and are asking us to only consider her genitalia.

now, as a disclaimer, clinton was not my pick but i would have voted for her because i knew that her views more closely represent mine than anyone else on the ballot. however, to even suggest (as i feel the repugs are doing) that palin is even close to the shadow of the woman, person, politician and leader that clinton is is absolutely repulsive and insulting on too many levels to count.

however, none of this would have happened without palin's buy-in. i absolutely do not believe that palin does not know that she was picked for this ill-guided and ill-advised strategy to attract women and clinton supporters (i actually saw a post on the local newspaper's discussion board that welcomed clinton supporters to the republican party :puke:) because she is a woman. she bought in to this, which to me says she thinks that voters are going to overlook all of her shortcomings and inexperience and, again, focus solely on her sex.

again, i use the word insulting, because that is the only way i can find to characterize this mindset. it shows just how little regard mccain, palin, the campaign and the republican party hold for us, for our heart and for our intelligence.

shame is not a word that was used during my childhood, nor is it a word i toss around lightly. however, there is a strong part of me that really does believe that palin should be ashamed of herself for thinking so little of and having such low regard for those who might not be 100 percent pleased with obama's nomination.

it sickens me, not only that the right thinks such pandering will work, but that some voters will buy into it.

[TwilightZone]

1. I can't really hold it against her. It's the chance of a lifetime.

It's the ultimate story of someone getting promoted to a zillion levels above his/her pay grade.

It's not really her fault that she's ridiculously unqualified. Even if they lose, her political (or lobbying) career is set for life. I think there was no way she could pass that up.

[BlooInBloo]

5. If someone nominated me for Mostest Awesomest Person EVAH....

I would have the good sense to turn down the nomination, since I'm drastically unqualified for it. Regardless of the fact that it's "the chance of a lifetime."

[TwilightZone]

7. Yes, but you're not a self-important religious nutjob.

I guarantee that she's doesn't think she's unqualified.

[BlooInBloo]

8. Well, I'm not religious at least....

:P

[TwilightZone]

12. In hindsight, that was a bit presumptuous of me. (edit)

You could have been a religious nutjob, and I'd never know. I should have qualified it with "right-wing". :)

[BlooInBloo]

14. hah!

[fizzgig]

6. no, it's not her fault that she's horribly unqualified

and perhaps this is easy for me to say, but i think it's disgusting that she would not only allow herself to be used like this, but she would promote herself for a job that she is dangerously unqualified to do.

[TwilightZone]

10. Ah, but you're making one assumption....

I guarantee that she doesn't think she's unqualified.

[fizzgig]

16. i will concede that point

but i think that draws back to a point i (poorly) tried to make on her arrogance

[TwilightZone]

47. Agreed. It could be arrogance, though it also appears to be ignorance.

Until very, very recently, she didn't have any clue what the VP did. From that perspective, if she thinks that it's a piece of cake, of course she'd think she's qualified.

[redqueen]

17. So you're saying she's batshit crazy? Or dumb as a box of hair? (nt)

[TwilightZone]

23. Narcissistic, perhaps.

She wasn't qualified to be governor, either. Didn't stop her.

[redqueen]

26. That doesn't somehow prove she doesn't know she's unqualified.

She's either too stupid to know she's unqualified, or too crazy.

If her narcissistic personality disorder is so severe she thinks she's ready to lead this country, then she's batshit crazy.

[TwilightZone]

32. Oh, I definitely don't disagree that she might be nuts.

Let's approach this slightly differently. I don't think she knows enough about presidential politics to even understand what she's gotten herself into. That lack of understanding could very well be part of why she would not see herself as unqualified.

I mean...this is the same woman who not very long ago had no idea what a VP even did.

[redqueen]

It's sad... the M$M is trying to make this just a human interest story...

pretending not to notice that it's an unbelievably ridiculous choice.

While sane people everywhere all go :wtf:

*sigh*

[TwilightZone]

38. 100% agreed.

I think it's a mockery of our entire political system. I think it's a slap to the face to anyone with a pulse.

On the bright side, it would seem to prove the old (and ridiculously inaccurate) claim that anyone can be president someday.

[PA Democrat]

35. She admitted that she didn't know what the duties of the Vice President were,

so I'd vote for stupid and crazy.

[frogcycle]

27. based on her interview just a month or so ago

when she said she didn't know what the VP job was but that it sounded boring, I expect she thinks she's qualified

[redqueen]

29. That would imply she's too stupid to know otherwise. (nt)

[TwilightZone]

42. Yeah, well, she is a Republican and a creationist.

;)

[Misskittycat]

11. I disagree. A truly intelligent and decent person knows when he or she is out of his or her depth.

And when accepting a job or position involves responsibilities for the general public, it is even more important to not accept a position for which you know you are unqualified or not sufficiently experienced. Ambition is great, but it has to be tempered with a certain amount of self-awareness, humility and responsibility. That's the sign of a leader. She has failed this test miserably.

[fizzgig]

22. you expect self-awareness, humilty and responsiblity from republicans?

;)

[Misskittycat]

45. Well, no. I think many Republicans are sociopaths at the very least. That's why I'm a Democrat.

[redqueen]

15. I wouldn't take a position I wasn't qualified for. Something to do with integrity, honor, pride...

Maybe it's just me.

[fizzgig]

19. exactly

i know when i'm out of my league

[TwilightZone]

20. As I've said in other responses in this thread, I don't think she sees herself as unqualified.

That's essentially my point. She thinks that she's God's gift (perhaps literally) to politics. I doubt that she sees herself as unqualified for *anything*, including the presidency.

Example: just consider her "glass ceiling" comment.

[redqueen]

24. I responded to that point in post 17. (nt)

[TwilightZone]

28. Gotcha. We'll continue there.

:)

[Misskittycat]

46. That's another reason she is unqualified. She does not have a realistic

view of herself and the world. That's a failure of intelligence, common sense, and morality.

[grasswire]

2. rove always did put his thumb in the eye of the opponent

I feel like that's the case here. Palin has been thrown in as a false target. So outrageous and attention-grabbing that no one will be aiming arrows at McCain.

I believe the word is "chaff."

[fizzgig]

9. i think that's an apt analysis

and that is why i'm not as dismissive of this ticket as i was yesterday

[City of Mills]

3. She's in it to make history

All she had to do was accept (which she did), and win or lose she is going down as the first Republican Vice Presidential candidate in U.S. History. I think that was the only buy-in she needed to see.

[fizzgig]

13. i don't disagree with you

but it still makes me ill

[City of Mills]

Same here..

The republicans are acting as psychological hunters, looking to poach our Democratic Hillary supporters. But they underestimate the intelligence of their prey, because from the three 'political' phone calls I have received in the past two days from my female family members who NEVER talk politics, they are shocked and insulted by this VP pick and are definitely NOT voting for McCain now.

[CTyankee]

21. You know, that's really second best. The Dems did it with Geraldine Ferraro in 1984.

So it's no BFD. So while it's the Repubs FIRST VP candidate, it is really old news. Great.
The Republican Party comes in second to the Democrats on this score. I'm really impressed...

[redqueen]

33. Has a woman ever tried to run for the republican nomination for president?

[TwilightZone]

40. Elizabeth Dole in 2000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Dole#2000_United_States_Presidential_candidacy

She's the first one I thought of. Can't think of any more off-hand.

[CTyankee]

41. Yep. Look where that went. Nowhere. n/t

[TwilightZone]

43. Yep, she didn't even make it to the primaries.

Couldn't raise money. Hopefully, history will repeat itself.

[orestes]

4. She's an Assembly of God church goer

so she probably needs to ask her husband's permission before she can feel ashamed.

[1Hippiechick]

39. OMG. Unless they've changed, they don't allow women to even hold leadership positions in church!

The only time it is acceptable is on an interim basis--until a man can be found. Right out of the Bible. I know - I was at such a church and not up on my Bible knowledge. But that Sunday many years ago when a little sniveling assistant minister stood in the pulpit and made that pronouncement, I got up and walked out. Ask my husband. The teacher of our current Sunday School class is starting to dance around politics, and hubby already knows that I WILL get up and walk out mid-sentence if that crap starts in church. He is a saint, bless his soul, and he knows that I mean it.

[ecstatic]

18. And what does it say about the PUMAs who kept carrying on about "experience?"

It confirms that they were just racist assholes looking for any excuse to not vote for Obama.

[fizzgig]

30. as i said, it's sickening

i have little doubt that my idiot asshole of an uncle will run with this ticket. from what i've heard, he's already said he won't vote for obama because a) he's not clinton and 2) he's black

it makes me want to :puke:

[pdxmom]

25. If I hear the word "arrogant" thrown out about Obama after the arrogance

of this woman in thinking that "yup, yup" she's ready to be the nation's next VP, I'm going to scream. I can't believe that she really thinks she is ready or qualified to do this job. Hell, she doesn't even know what the job is!

[redqueen]

31. Excellent point. (nt)

[fizzgig]

36. amen

that or 'inexperienced'

[seabeyond]

34. i have been feeling the same way all day. i feel like what these pig repug males has done

in more harm to the feminism and such a slap in the face to all female. i am so thoroughly disgusted.

[fizzgig]

37. this has brewing for me all day

it's been making me want to scream

[Kahuna]

44. In her defense, her husband Moondoggie is very dreamy. nt

[applegrove]

48. Don't blame you for being disgusted. If I was voting in that election I would

be very insulted at how stupid the GOP constantly thinks the voters are. Let's hope the majority of Americans don't fall for it this time.

[Danger Mouse]

49. WOW, you post in GD:P no less! I'm impressed. Are you going to become one of us now?

Give me a moment to read it all and take it all in before I flame you. :hi: :hug:

[Danger Mouse]

50. Very well said. I agree with you. However, I also agree with other posters on this thread...

she's a fundie nutbag and out of her gourd. Most likely she thinks she's fantastic, and isn't at all intimidated by the enormity of the job she'd have to do should something happen to McCain.
That scares me.

[Kajsa]

51. I couldn't agree with you more, Kagehime!

The only thing I have in common with Palin is my gender.
She stands for everything I oppose.


I heard an interesting comment from John Kerry this morning,

John McCain's first picks were other Repub candidates, Joe Lieberman
was one of them. The extreme RW faction of his campaign crew said
"no!"- Palin was picked- showing that McCain is NOT his own man,
( hasn't been for some time now) and will follow the neocons to the gates
of hell if he has to.

Unfit for the office- PERIOD!

Great thread, Kagehime!

:) :pals: