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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:12 PM
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Update on Nevada Delegation Fiasco for RNC: WSJ: Could cause state to go to Obama
Edited on Sun Aug-31-08 08:21 PM by grantcart
Another major story that has been completely ignored by the MSM is now facing a breaking point. As of today two groups of delegates from Nevada are heading towards the RN Convention and the convention, as of Sunday night, has announced that they will not seat either group.

Dissatisfaction and feelings of strong arm tactics among Ron Paul supporters are causing more and more Republicans to think about voting for a third party candidate - something they did for Ross Perot in big numbers. It could cost McCain 5 electoral votes he has to have to win.

Here are the Details as reported by the WSJ:


Delegation Split May Prompt Votes For Libertarians



http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB121944799376665201.html


Background:

PAHRUMP, NEV. -- Two Nevada delegations are packing their bags for the Republican National Convention Sept. 1, and if the latest party ruling stands, neither of them will be seated.

A fiasco at the state convention spawned the dueling delegations -- one for John McCain and one for Ron Paul -- and their continued wrangling has exposed a split in the party that may spell trouble in a key state for the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.

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In April, riding high on a second-place showing in the Silver State, the grass-roots Paul supporters were well represented and well organized at the Republican state convention. Winning a key rule change, the Paul delegation began electing a majority slate for its candidate, when party officials dropped the gavel, turned out the lights and adjourned the convention indefinitely.

The state party leadership went on to appoint a slate of McCain delegates to the national convention by private conference call. Meanwhile, the spurned Paul faction gathered for its own "reconvention" to produce a competing delegation. In a decision Aug. 5, the national party's contest committee recommended against seating either slate, citing flaws in the selection process. The fate of Nevada's 34 seats at the Republican National Convention may not be decided until the final days before it begins.


How it could effect the GE:


he Texas congressman has not taken a position on Nevada's delegation dispute, but his campaign spokesman said he won't be pushing his supporters in Minnesota toward Sen. McCain. "There are some really good candidates running third-party campaigns," said spokesman Jesse Benton. "If the GOP happens to lose because they've abandoned their principles and traditions, maybe that will be a signal for the future."

More than the distraction in Minnesota, Sen. McCain may have to worry what discontented Ron Paul voters are doing back in Nevada, where longtime Republicans with a libertarian streak are already discussing alternatives to the party establishment.

In the city of Pahrump, 60 nearly barren miles west of Las Vegas, in a windowless tavern called Irene's Casino, a group of friends gathered to pass around a bottle of Ron Paul Revolution Cola and discuss how the Republican Party had wronged them.

This is a place where people move to be left alone, where mobile homes are sold as Freedom Homes and where Mr. Paul won the local Republican caucus, as his campaign signs along the highway still attest. He owed his victory to spontaneous gatherings like this one, where supporters fed up with the size of government, the Iraq war and the incursions on their civil liberties organized their own grassroots campaign.

"Out here folks draw water from their own well," said compatriot Kenny Bent, a former rancher, miner and lumberjack with long gray hair and mustache past his lower lip. "They have their own sewage system. They don't need the government and they don't want its intrusion."

Across the state, lifelong Republicans like Mr. Bent who now identify more closely with Mr. Paul's cause than with the party establishment say they won't vote for Sen. McCain.

Recent history shows Nevada's frustrated conservatives can swing an election. The last Texan presidential candidate preaching small government, Ross Perot, took 10% of the vote here in 1992 and 27% in 1996, helping Democrat Bill Clinton to carry the state both times. A Libertarian Senate candidate in 1998 tipped a close race to Majority Leader Harry Reid.

Mr. Barr's running mate, Wayne Allyn Root, a sports-betting entrepreneur and resident of greater Las Vegas, says their campaign is perfectly suited for his home state, citing Nevada's low taxes, frontier spirit and premium on personal freedom.

"We're all about turning America into a great big Nevada," Mr. Root said. "Nevada proves the model works."





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Brent's reply suggests we ad the following graph

I mean its not like Nevada is close or anything:

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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:13 PM
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1. Latest Poll has Obama up 7 there
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:27 PM
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8. good point
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:45 PM
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10. +7 is another stupid state poll
Edited on Sun Aug-31-08 08:47 PM by Awsi Dooger
Seriously, I have no idea how you guys put so much stock in state polls. So many of them are outright laughable, including this one. It's like amateur hour.

I've lived in Nevada since the mid '80s. It's sheer buffoonery to project Obama with a 7 point lead. The local media pundits always talk about the "Republican lock" on Nevada in statewide races. That's obviously overstated but there's reason for the tag. The state has 34-37% conservatives in every survey and the independents lean to the right. The cow counties turn out in great numbers. After 9/11 there became great concern about terrorist strikes on the huge casino hotels so national security is a big underlying issue. I could go on.

All of it adds up to a state that is very much in play, but if we win it the margin will be narrow. Current trading prices are basically 50/50 with a slight tilt to the Republican ticket, basically 53-47.

If I told the biggest political bettors I know that the over/under on Nevada was a 7 point Obama lead and they could play either way, they would fall dead in a seizure of laughter before any chance to announce their decision.

BTW, Nevadans don't give a damn about the topic of this thread. I've been back in the state for more than 2 months and haven't heard one peep about it.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:51 PM
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11. haven't heard anything because its not in the media

It is a big topic among the Ron Paul people who, after all, had enough people to take control of the state convention.

Obviously if Barr pulls even 5% in Nevada it would be a major problem for McCain in a state that neighbors his home state and that he has been boasting he would take safely.

Pretty smart that Intrade is trading evenly because the last polls show a dead heat:

http://www.pollster.com/polls/nv/08-nv-pres-ge-mvo.php
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:14 PM
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2. Such a shame, such a shame ...
:rofl:
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:15 PM
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3. yay
:bounce:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:32 PM
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9. lol
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:18 PM
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4. Oh Yeah!
"There are some really good candidates running third-party campaigns," said spokesman Jesse Benton. "If the GOP happens to lose because they've abandoned their principles and traditions, maybe that will be a signal for the future."

But, no thanks to this.. "We're all about turning America into a great big Nevada," Mr. Root said. "Nevada proves the model works."

Is it any wonder factions from Bob Barr and Ron Paul have sprung up after 8 years of bushite?



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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 09:28 PM
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14. lol
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:19 PM
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5. ROFL....I have NO idea why I think this is sooooo funny
But I just love it when Republicans cant stop the clusterfuck.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:23 PM
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6. try and say McCain/Palin without laughing


CNN just announced that the convention credentials committee report will be handled by the convention tomorrow.


It would appear that this is going to be the main piece of business


You bring the popcorn.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 09:06 PM
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13. I'm there!!!
:popcorn:
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:27 PM
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7. The model works
Yea, right, if you are a compulsive gambler with other obsessive-compulsive disorders or addictions. As long as the keno runner gets the tickets in before the game closes and the buffet doesn't run out of shrimp, most Nevada voters don't give a crap.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 09:52 PM
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15. lol
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:54 PM
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12. OMG, a reference to Wayne Allyn Root
Somehow I missed that the first time.

"Mr. Barr's running mate, Wayne Allyn Root, a sports-betting entrepreneur and resident of greater Las Vegas, says their campaign is perfectly suited for his home state, citing Nevada's low taxes, frontier spirit and premium on personal freedom.

"We're all about turning America into a great big Nevada," Mr. Root said. "Nevada proves the model works."

Root is a local laughingstock. He's a blowhard TV tout, giving picks on sporting events. Last year his "Play of the Decade" lost by something like 50 points. I'll tell you what it was, Colorado at home getting about 4 points from Missouri. Look up that result if you want a belly laugh. I wonder if anyone will bring that up during the campaign?

He also writes frequent letters to the editor on political topics, with far right wing lunacy. I had no idea he was Barr's running mate.
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 10:38 PM
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16. NV paper says delegates will be seated
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