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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 01:57 AM
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What's wrong with this picture? (warning: Palin baby related)
Why isn't the father of the child holding the baby? Why is the baby given to a teenage sibling? Don't they know there are internet rumors swirling all around about this? Why feed the frenzy?

Oh, and I really wonder if that's a wedding band young Bristol is wearing?



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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 01:59 AM
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1. ...
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 02:00 AM by wlucinda
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:05 AM
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3. If that's a reply, I don't get it - you might have to use some words n/t
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:12 AM
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28. There is a link below the photo. Guess you missed it?
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:09 AM
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5. And when Sarah's really pregnant, she looks pregnant. Thanks!
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curious one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:34 AM
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7. Ok, what date this was taken? her face shows gain of some weight that other pictures do not show.
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 02:35 AM by curious one
So I question the validity of this picture. Also other pictures do not show this huge belly of hers. There are more questions than answers.

One more thing, how airline staff miss such a big belly? and say there was no evidence that she was pregnant?
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:55 AM
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12. April 13, 2008 ...

Per Andrew Sullivan.

Which is in the linked article.

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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:05 AM
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35. So THIS happened in a month ?

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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:34 AM
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17. My understanding was this about the airline staff:
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 03:40 AM by moriah
Looking at the articles quoting the airline staff, the following is the quote:

“Governor Palin was extremely pleasant to flight attendants and her stage of pregnancy was not apparent by observation as she didn’t show any signs of distress,” Boren said.

"Stage of pregnancy" is different from "pregnancy". In other words, she might have looked pregnant, but not hugely pregnant and ready to pop and in labor.

(Edit to add link: http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/apr/22/palins-flight-labor-falls-under-scrutiny/ )
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:38 AM
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8. She looks creepy.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:05 AM
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2. To keep the baby content
The father has never held a baby in his life, its not the macho thing to do.

I pointed this out Friday, the oddness and both of the 'alleged father and mother
not looking at the baby the whole time, the girl is a natural keeping the
baby quiet at a huge noisy event.

But for now, I'm sticking with the airline flight story.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:06 AM
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4. But wait, she's running off to play VP and leave baby with daddy, yes?
And yet he is not even comfortable holding his son?

????
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:11 AM
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6. I was telling my son in NY about the story tonight.
I mentioned how the daughter, not the alleged dad, held the baby. He thought it was pretty weird, too. From a "guy's perspective" it seems suspicious.

Bristol's face is still chubby. she had gained some weight in the past few months. Coinkydink?
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:46 AM
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9. OK - now, what about the wedding ring?
Is Bristol married? If so, is it some sort of secret? Because I don't see her husband anywhere, do you? Nor have I heard word one about him - name, nada.

This story stinks so badly on it's own, it doesn't even require much "conspiracy theorizing"!
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:10 AM
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20. The idea of a teen getting pregnant is not conspiracy theory.
The idea of a mother deciding to fake a pregnancy to take her grandson and raise it as her son, however, does start ringing of tinfoil-hattery.

It's looking like it's possible, if Bristol is pregnant now and that a few pictures are coming out showing Sarah looking at least somewhat preggers, that it was just an odd coincidence that both of them were pregnant at once. I guess stranger things have happened.

I can see a politician not wanting to advertise that their daughter got pregnant and married before she was 18 and while still in high school -- saying that family privacy is important, etc etc.

If it is true that her daughter did get pregnant as a teenager but decided to get married and have the baby (and hopefully such a decision was made by the daughter and not the parents), she could spin it to suit her pro-life stance.

What she could NOT do, however, would be spin it so that abstinence-only education was still the right answer.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:16 AM
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29. Palin is pro-contraception.
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 10:16 AM by wlucinda
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:17 AM
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30. But it won't suit her pro-abstinence stance
Palin is against sex education for kids. This is a direct result of that position. How can she promote abstinence-only education, only to have her teenage daughter end up pregnant? So either the fundies will turn on her because of her immoral daughter, or she becomes a poster child on the complete ineffectiveness of abstinence-only education.
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:46 AM
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10. The baby and blanket are hiding Bristol's current pregnancy
Nobody else held the baby with that blanket that day... just Bristol.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:23 AM
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14. Yeah, I have two conflicting ideas
1) Bristol is indeed pregnant now and mom is trying to give her a good dose of reality of what it's like caring for a baby (not that she would know, lol -- oops, low blow, didn't mean to go there!)

or

2) Bristol is *not* currently pregnant but is wearing padding (like mom did -- in fact probably the same padding) and it will soon be announced that a) she's now married to her high-school sweetheart and b) oh, and she's pregnant *now* (but not before, not in April when she wasn't married) -- but, alas, within a few weeks (or sooner -- probably on 9/11 -- she will suffer the misfortune of a miscarriage... alas... but now she'll be so bonded with her "brother" and mom is so busy with the VP thing that Bristol will do the Christian thing and raise him as her own (which he is) with her new teen husband.

Should I write for the soaps?
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:14 AM
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21. You probably could... then again, truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.
My mother has sworn that if she ever did write an autobiography that no one would believe it was true, it'd have to be fiction.

Then again, I could also write a novel about a few things in my life, with some creative differences to make "any resemblance to real persons or events" be "entirely coincidental".
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:19 AM
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24. Yep. Same here.
Which is why I *never* rule anything out as being to bizarre or sounding as though scripted for a soap.

Art imitates life, not the other way around (well ok, it goes both ways)
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 05:22 AM
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26. Here's a situation where my reality really was too bizarre for people to believe....
My ex-husband and I met when I was living up in the Ozark Mountains in Arkansas.

He was born in Romania, moved to Germany when his family fled to escape Ceausescu's government, and came to the States as a tourist when he was about 19. He didn't speak very good English, had ended up hitchhiking along I-40 and got picked up by a bus of hippies. They were coming through Arkansas when they got pulled over and had drugs on them. They all got arrested but told the cops that he was just a hitchhiker (which was true) and he was left on the side of I-40 in Central Arkansas.

He walked to the nearest town and was talking to a few people, who decided that he needed a place to stay and knew just the place. A woman in town ran what she called her "boarding house and finishing school for youth" -- aka, she always had a lot of people living there in her big house. She was a great cook, and had just had her son as a single mom, and ran her business out of her home doing medical transcription. They took him there and he stayed for a few months, helping babysit her son and trying to teach the little infant German.

Anyway, he ended up going back to Europe when his tourist visa expired, but he'd kept in touch with that woman. He ended up deciding to go to college and then to medical school in Romania, since the government had been overturned and they were doing their best to encourage people who had left to come back so they were offering free and/or reduced tuition for people who were born there. And he decided that he wanted to move to the States when he got out of medical school.

He came over on an H1-B visa to do his medical residency. And met up with the woman he lived with for awhile -- while I was living there taking care of her son (at that time age 8). I fell head over heels and I thought he had, too. Anyways, we ended up getting married while he was in his first year of an internal medicine residency program. He decided to change his residency to OB-GYN, and went back through the Match -- which matched him to a hospital in Queens, NY. He moved up there first to get us settled.

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While he was gone, I had some health problems and was given medications that had a very bad interaction and I went into manic psychosis. I didn't sleep for a week and was, well, psychotic. I was admitted to the hospital.

I guess the whole "being psychotic" thing contributed to their disbelief, but when they asked my marital status I told them the truth -- that I was married to a foreign medical graduate who was doing his residency in OB-GYN in New York while I was still in Arkansas.

They wrote down in my chart that I was experiencing delusions of grandeur and referenced that statement as proof.

They didn't believe I was actually married and refused to let me contact him or to contact him themselves until my mother showed up at the hospital with our marriage license and the durable power of attorney for health care which named him as my health care proxy.

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We're divorced now -- apparently he fell more in love with the 17-year-old I walked in on him with. But ... heh.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:27 AM
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16. Probably hiding the "baby fat" she has not lost yet..
She was never a small girl, and she probably gained a lot while pregnant.. It take a long time to lose that "surprise" baby fat on the first one.. Women then to really watch their weight on subsequent children, because they remember how hard it was and how long it took to work off the extra from baby #1:)
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:17 AM
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22. That's entirely possible
Although the photos of Bristol really look like she is currently pregnant... but there are people supporting both stories, that her mom said the daughter's baby was hers, and that Bristol is currently pregnant and in the third trimester. I don't know what's what.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:26 AM
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25. My friend told me about her first pregnancy and we laughed until we cried
She had married "Sadie" (his nickname) two days before he shipped out to the south pacific (WWII).. they had no time to get a place for her, so she ended up staying with HIS parents, who LOATHED her.. Of course she was pregnant..and I believe her when she said it happened on their wedding night..

anyway, she was miserable unhappy,sad and scared, so she ate and ate and ate...ansd she said the worst thing was that he kept wanting pictures, and she kept stalling..

anyway after the baby was born, 8lbs something, she found herself still weighing 180..and was shocked that it did not just "go away"..

When I knew her all those years later, I don;t think she ever weighed over 100 lbs..

It took her a YEAR to drop that extra weight, and of course Sadie didn't care, he loved all the pics.. and did not even SEE his daughter until she was over 3 yrs old..

With her two other pregnancies, she did NOT gain more than 20 lbs:)

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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:17 AM
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23. BINGO. My thoughts exactly. n/t
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:26 AM
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32. EXACTLY! Everywhere she goes, she carries the baby to hide her 3rd trimester pregnancy.
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GrizzlyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:53 AM
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11. Meh...they're sticking to established fundie norms
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 02:56 AM by GrizzlyMan
The eldest daughter pitches in with the cookin and the cleanin and helping to take care of the yungins. The fact that the Fundie dad isn't holding the Fundie baby doesn't really raise my suspicion too much. I've seen this type of behavior in fundie homes for ages.

But that's not to say Bristol (or whatver the fuck kind of moonbat name they gave her) isn't knocked up. Because as we know, if there's one constant among fundies it's that they're ALL giant hypocrites.
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:03 AM
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34. I can't say *all*, but you make a very good point.
I can't say that a label of "hypocrite" against the daughter is very appropriate, but if she did have premarital sex and got pregnant, it would certainly be hypocritical of the parents to continue to advocate for abstinence-only sex education to prevent teen pregnancy.

Living in the Bible Belt I know a lot of kids who were raised Fundie. I wasn't quite raised as a fundamentalist, but when my mother divorced my dad, we moved in with my grandparents, who were very religious (and I can say that neither my grandfather or my grandmother, in my opinion, were hypocritical about it -- but then again, although they were very religious, they didn't make a point of emphasizing their religious views as a "holier than thou" thing, they just had their views and in my opinion lived up to them). Since my grandfather was in very poor health, they did not go to church. They watched the tele-evangelists and studied the Bible on their own.

My mother was not a fundie, she was Christian but not a church-goer. She also advocated tolerance of other religious views. When my grandmother's coworker (who had moved here from Vietnam) converted from Buddhism to Christianity, my grandmother was so happy and mentioned she was so glad she'd stopped worshiping Buddha. I was about 5 at the time, and I asked Mom "Who's Buddha?" "That's the name that some people use for God." (Needless to say I was a bit confused about why Granny was so happy that her friend had stopped worshiping God, but ...)

Then new neighbors moved in across the street, they were a childless couple that were Southern Baptist. The woman was a very sweet lady who obviously really wanted kids as she befriended me very quickly. (I don't know what it is, maybe it's because I have no actual biological aunts or uncles -- both of my parents were only children -- but as a child and later on as a teen and adult, many unrelated women seemed to reach out to me and "adopt" me as a quasi-niece or daughter, maybe they sensed a need for other female role models/confidants in my life.) She was appalled that my mother didn't take me to church. The very sweet woman was also appalled that when she happened to mention Buddha as a "false god" that I said "But Mommy says Buddha's just another name for God." So she asked my mother if I could go to church with them. Mom's reaction: "If she wants to go, you're more than welcome to take her." My mother ended up going as well and joined their Southern Baptist church, where I met many other kids who were raised fundie.

It's pretty funny -- three of the kids who I met lived down the street from us, boys about a year older than me. Their parents apparently had talked about my family situation with the kids present, because the kids told me that I had a "poor upbringing" because I lived in a "broken home" and "went to a Godless public school".

What did those kids grow into? The preacher's daughter at the church got pregnant at 15 -- and was very severely "encouraged" to give the child up for adoption. One of the three boys fathered a child as a teen, and all three of them got into drugs. Obviously their "good upbringing" didn't stop that from happening.

But I can't see it as hypocrisy on the kids part at all, and I don't know if it is truly hypocrisy in the parents in all cases. What I think is this:

Giving your kids a strict sense of what you consider "moral" behavior in a judgmental way makes it more likely for your kids not to talk to you when they are tempted to have sex, or do drugs, or do other things that you have said are "horrible" and "immoral" and "evil". And if they actually do talk to you about it and you react in a judgmental manner, they won't talk to you about it again!

My mother did her best to be a mom that I could talk to about anything. When I did decide I wanted to have sex, I didn't go to her first though. The school I went to had a free clinic inside it that would give students free birth control, so I went there, got my first gynecological exam, and got on the Pill when I first started thinking I might decide to have sex. I did tell my mother before I had sex, and what she said was "Well, honey, if this is what you want we need to take you to the doctor and get you on the Pill, but before you do it, remember it's not something you can undo, and your first time should be special. Just be careful, both with your body and your heart." And she didn't seem hurt that I had already gotten on the Pill -- she was relieved! I actually think she had that speech rehearsed, it came out pretty quickly, but I think it was the right thing to say. It didn't judge, it offered advice.

I have seen some really horrible examples of hypocrisy from true-red Fundies... like the Church of Christ (NOT United Church of Christ, the other one, the really Fundie one) preacher who beat his wife and molested both of his daughters while preaching against extramarital sex and family values from the pulpit. But I pray to ALL that is holy that at least that particular brand of hypocrisy (more like fucking sick and evil) isn't all that common.

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As for the whole "oldest daughter" being put into Second Mother role in such families, you are very correct. Just look at the Duggars (my favorite whacky Fundie family, the ones who are expecting their 18th child, they live pretty close to me in Arkansas).

From their website:

"Our daily routine begins with personal hygiene (get dressed, brush teeth, comb hair, etc...). Each older child has a younger buddy or two that they help. We eat breakfast & read Proverbs at 8:00a.m., then we "quick clean" the house (older child & their buddy work together to clean their jurisdictions)."

"We break for lunch at 12:00pm. Jill (age 17) prepares lunch & we all help cleanup."

"We have dinner at 5:00p.m. Jana (Age 18) prepares dinner & everyone helps cleanup."

While yes, the fact that she has two older daughters who help out is probably the only reason she is able to continue having so many kids and them not be horribly neglected, I still think it's a very unfair burden to put on a kid -- even a 17 or 18 year old one that you are trying to train into being another Quiverfull Mommy just like you.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:23 AM
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13. Why are there no socks on that baby's feet? WTF? That child should
have socks on at least.. AND seriously, why would you even parade the baby out in front of a noisey croud like that.. ARe they insane, oh wait, stupid question.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:24 AM
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15. LOL - at first I thought you were mocking us
And then I remembered the sock thing!! OMG, you must be a mother!
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:53 AM
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18. yep, I would say something about a hat, but he's about 1 mo past needing
a head cap.. and that is freaking sad that they are parading this kid all over the place.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:24 AM
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31. That was my thought too....
look at those bare little toes...that baby needs little booties on!

This might sound weird, but when I saw Sarah holding the baby-I got strictly "granma" vibes from the body language. Mom's hold their babies differently. Bristol holds that baby with love.

Yeah, it sounds crazy, but thats what I saw in those pics.
This whole thing is crazy, though...from her being VP pick in the first place right on down to this baby thig.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 08:46 PM
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36. I couldn't beleive that when they were paraded in either she or dad wasn't
holding the baby.. I thought that she would carry the baby and hand it to her husband.. At the first introduction to the world, I thought it really odd that they didn't have "parent" vibes and that the elder girl seemed like the mother.. that was the first instict before knowing anything about them at all.
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ComplimentarySwine Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:09 AM
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19. Eh, whatever...
When I go somewhere with my niece and sister, it's as if there is a contest to see who can be the one to hold/play with/feed my 22-month-old son.
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 05:24 AM
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27. Lame argument....
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 05:24 AM by ALiberalSailor
...I've got about 3500 pictures of my son and daughter, and I'm holding them in probably only 20 percent of them. Family members, friends, etc are holding them in the rest. Considering he's "new" and the family has had to deal with the fact that he has Down, it lends itself to being a potentially galvanizing event for the family where the other siblings might feel an extra kinship with him. At least, that's the way it worked in my case with ALiberalSergio, who does have Down. We get nowhere with Palin by attacking her family. She's done enough in Alaska to discredit her without having to dissect her family.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:27 AM
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33. Get real
There are many pictures in my family's album where my then 11 year old sister or I (age 12) held our infant sister. Certainly a 16 year old would be likely to at some point be pictured holding her sister.

If this were a Democrat, people would be demanding genuine backup. Remember the reaction to the Edwards story even after he was caught in the hotel. This is worse because it involves an innocent 16 year old. Looking at the photos, she it might be that suffer from depression - something that mono can trigger and which coupled with mono could well keep her out of school for 5 months. (Not to mention many medications cause weight gain) As someone pointed out the baby was born in a hospital and falsifing the parentage would be very hard to do and keep secret.
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