Sarah Palin tied to AIP - a group that advocated Alaska's secession from the US

[NewJeffCT]

She even addressed the AIP earlier this year - good diary on Kos. I won't hold my breath on it getting as much coverage as Jeremiah Wright, though...

What is Sarah Palin's relationship with the Alaskan Independence Party (AIP)?

As user Liz Arnett informs us, Sarah Palin may have some ties with this organization, and organization whose platform includes "complete independence and nationhood status for Alaska."

Perhaps the question of whether Palin, who's a 72-year-old heartbeat away from the presidency, may want to make America a 49-state nation is something that should have come up during the vetting process? Of course, given that the vetting process is just now getting underway, that the McCain camp knows about the possibility of this bizarre affiliation is doubtful.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/1/84544/50180/809/581942

[liberalmuse]

1. Ted Nugent is starting to look pretty normal.

Yep, she's definitely a Hallmark card. Thanks, John McBatshitInsane.

[NewJeffCT]

2. I wonder if they vetted her as much as Bush vetted Bernie Kerik?

at least Kerik, Giuliani & Bush got hammered over that one.

[gmoney]

53. Maury Povich was on the selection committee

[NewJeffCT]

55. good one

he can have a "who is the father of my baby" show.

[gmoney]

54. dupe (self-delete)_

[feddup]

98. Secessionist Sarah

Hi there, this is my first post here at DU, but I've been a big fan for many years. I think this AIP story has very strong legs and really want to see it get out. The other posters in this thread (and on Daily KOS) have some great info that I compiled into an email which I will be sending to all my friends and family. I hope you find it useful and forward it on as well... Let's get this out of the blogosphere and into the MSM.

Secessionist Sarah

Why did John McCain pick a Vice Presidential running mate who supports Alaskan secession from the United States of America?

Sarah Palin, John McCain’s surprise VP pick, belonged to the Alaskan Independence Party (AIP) before she joined the Republican Party. The AIP’s main goal is for Alaskans to achieve independence from America.

She addressed the AIP State Convention in 2008 stating, “I share your party’s vision”. You can watch the entire video of her address here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

And, here is a video of the Vice Chairman of the AIP, Dexter Clark, praising Gov. Palin for her former membership in the AIP and her support: www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHFY1otOWjQ

Later, the Vice Chairman tells the AIP Convention to “INFILTRATE a Political Party if you have to…that's one way of doing it.” Interesting that Sarah Palin switched from the AIP to the GOP once she entered politics…

Why would John McCain, who says he puts “Country First” nominate someone who is clearly so un-American???

If you don’t believe me, check out this quote:

"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."

-- Joe Vogler (Founder of the Alaskan Independence Party, who died in 1993 and was buried in Dawson City, Yukon Territory, Canada, fulfilling a wish that he not be buried under the American flag)

John McCain admits he only met Sarah Palin once before picking her as his running mate. Maybe he didn’t know this truth about her. But, now that you and I do, I suggest we ask that John McCain choose a different VP who shares our American values, as opposed to someone who doesn’t even want to be an American. And, to make sure our voices are heard, forward this message to as many of your friends as possible!

[NewJeffCT]

99. great first post - welcome to DU

I'm over 25,000 posts and have only made a handful that good!

[feddup]

100. Well, as my username suggests,

I am just so sick of getting my email inbox flooded with all the lies about Obama. So, I figured this was my way of getting back (and getting the truth out) because unlike those emails, this one can be substantiated by facts...

[NewJeffCT]

103. As Colbert says

Reality has a liberal bias.

[skooooo]

3. heee hee ..

Oh that will go over well with the conservatives!

Why does Palin hate America???

[Captain Hilts]

4. Alaska is the US's #3 largest recipient for federal $$ per capita. Who would subsidize them? nt

[skooooo]

5. the oil money nt

[NewJeffCT]

6. ExxonMobil, ChevronTexaco, BP, Royal Dutch Shell

I'm assuming.

[patrice]

18. Independence? Good old-fashion Republican Responsibility?

[me b zola]

7. This is a line of attack that could & should be exploited to the hilt!

Rec #4, do we have a fifth?

[Captain Hilts]

8. Exactly. nt

[AuntPatsy]

11. You have mine

[grantcart]

9. she was a member of the AIP?

[NewJeffCT]

14. Supposedly she was before being elected mayor of Wasilla

is there proof - I don't know?

[Bjorn Against]

10. Wow, so they have a VP candidate that doesn't want to have her state be part of the US anymore

And they call Obama unpatriotic.

[NewJeffCT]

36. I'm sure the mainstream media will be all over that story

sometime in December or January.

[Forkboy]

12. Palin is possibly the biggest political blunder since "Read my lips...".

[patrice]

17. Yes! Ergo, this HAS to be ALL about solidifying their base during a time of cross-over and

re-alignment. Of course, they'll lie, cheat, and steal a "win" if they can, but Job #1 is to concretize their most reliable voters, so they have something to rebuild on and to offer re-cross-overs later.

[helderheid]

13. Country First!

:rofl:

[eShirl]

23. exactly... which country?

[patrice]

15. Oh honey! THAT under-current has been out there for quite a while! So they're calling those folks

forward . . . WOW, just holy-f-ing WOW!

[votetastic]

16. so she has wanted to be President...

just not of this country

[RadicalTexan]

19. They're still no Texas!!!

;)

[IDemo]

20. Screw Babygate, this is the stuff that will make the case against her

A little more northern exposure of the soccer VP's background, and she's history. Gramps, don't worry about the vetting process, we'll take it from here!

[Kitty Herder]

21. People should know about this.

Alaskans don't even raise an eyebrow about the AIP. But to the rest of the country, it seems down-right kooky. Not to mention unpatriotic.

[NewJeffCT]

24. I'm sure it will get as much coverage as Rev. Wright

:sarcasm:

[patrice]

22. Get out there and Forward this everybody! - - - Please!

[Cirque du So-What]

25. Some nutjobs in the Lower 48 may agree with the AIP's stance

After all, the neoConfederates (and the paleoConfederates) are still fighting the Civil War, and some RW libertarians want to increase their population in some low-density state to the point that they're a majority and can then secede from the Union. Likely, there are lots of low-info voters who think secession would be a swell idea!

[NewJeffCT]

27. It will horrify a lot of Americans, though

including some Republicans

[DeschutesRiver]

56. Sure will and it should

I don't have thing against her believing that AK should leave the US - or care that she holds that view with a bunch of other like minded people.

But a person holding such a view, ie that they do not want to be US citizens anymore, esp a person whose job is governing, is not qualified to hold a job representing our entire union of states. The VP/god forbid Prez job is about all of us in the all the states, and shouldn't be held by someone who doesn't want to be part of the US anymore. And the repubs start a false rumor and bitch that Obama wasn't born here, so can't qualify to be pres? Yet their Veep choice potentially may not want to be a US citizen anymore, and supports people in her state who wish their statehood renounced? This is getting too wierd.

Man, I'd love to see a transcript of what she said to that group in her speech. I guess when Palin said she didn't know what the VP did, she wasn't joking - running the entire nation, or even considering that we are a nation might have been discussed the day she skipped class in high school.

Ever since McCain announced her, I feel like I am living in an alternate universe.

[NewJeffCT]

57. it is a bit strange

especially after a bunch of Republics dissed her and her experience in the days leading up to the announcement.

[sandnsea]

31. Militia types - Tim McVeigh types

That'll go over.

I hope the key bloggers get the connection.

[NewJeffCT]

33. You're right

hopefully it will get beyond here & Kos to TPM and/or Andrew Sullivan

[BumRushDaShow]

26. Why do repukes hate America? n/t

[BlooInBloo]

28. And yet for some reason I can't quite figure out, HER patriotism will never be questioned.

[sandnsea]

29. Militia types

You damn right I'll say I told ya' so.

"I heard about this movement through a news report about ex-Michigan militia commander Norm Olson leaving Michigan to move to Alaska to join the movement. I immediatly started searching for info and came across the AIP site. I am now considering making the move myself! Free Alaska!"

Alaska Independence Party
http://www.akip.org/guest.html

[truthisfreedom]

30. SO this will be added to her resume by rove... "Experience as leader of her own country."

[NewJeffCT]

32. BIG UPDATE - another Kos diary has video of Palin addressing AIP *this* year

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/1/4231/18477/878/581881

Look at the group's stated goals -

The AIP’s main aim is to secede from the United States, becoming either a territory or a sovereign nation. They aim to be entirely "self-sufficient" using profits from the oil and gas resources of the state.

On
their website, you’ll see this:

The Alaskan Independence Party can be summed up in just two words:
ALASKA FIRST!

And their 2008 platform:

To seek the complete repatriation of the public lands, held by the federal government, to the state and people of Alaska in conformance with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, of the federal constitution.

Also, the diary has another video of the vice chairman of the AIP talking about infiltrating national parties to further their own goals.

[mod mom]

37. DESERVES it's own thread! UFB!

[NewJeffCT]

40. I'll put it out there

thanks

[symbolman]

34. K & R!

HA HA!! I know ALL those Assholes! My Sister in Alaska is one of them, TOTAL NUTSOS on this..

You want to tie her to this, I will HELP YOU, I can make a FLASH attack ad and we can take this woman DOWN with it.. that will be my next project.. this is INSANE, No True American is going to BUY this COUNTRY FIRST Act from an AIP'r

LOL! This just gets better all the time..

IF indeed she's a part of this, there MAY be an opportunity to TIE her to the DISSAPEARANCE of the HEAD AIP guy, JOE VOGLER..

Google his ass.. he was KIDNAPPED and KILLED, I don't know if they even found his body yet.

(Sadly he was a really cool guy, but as for the AIP scene, total nutso..)

Oh, this is GOOD..

I am SO ON THIS!

[NewJeffCT]

35. Their motto is Alaska First

Why do they hate America?

[Liberal_in_LA]

38. bump. Important story

[symbolman]

39. HOLY SHIT!

The people in the Video YouTube link are MY SISTER AND BROTHER-IN-LAW!! I Gold Mined with them for two summers in AK.

Small goddam world..

I'm going to have to Roast them to Roast Palin.

Man, oh man.

[NewJeffCT]

41. wow

that is a small world.

[symbolman]

43. I feel

so Dirty... :)

they're a total fringe group.. they'd fit in a living room. I've talked to them, batshit crazy.

[NewJeffCT]

45. so, even more fringe than, say

Jeremiah Wright's church?

:evilgrin:

[symbolman]

47. You devil :)

Yup Yup! (The mating call of the Wild Palin)..

Watch the video... if you listen near the end of part one Mr Clark is saying, "INFILTRATE a Political Party if you have to.. that's one way of doing it.."

I hate to use my own brother-in-laws words, but if they get that woman kicked out of the Repig Party, then it's worth it.

Maybe these Secessionists will inadvertantly SAVE our Country from McCain and Palin.

That would be Cool. :)

[WeDidIt]

42. NOW WE KNOW WHY SHE FLEW BACK TO GIVE BIRTH!!!

She wanted Trig BORN on Alaskan soil because of her secessionist views!!!

[NewJeffCT]

44. oh, that's a good one

didn't even think of that.

[symbolman]

46. Good POINT!

I'm going to add that to the video I need to make of this, gotta make this VIRAL, this is great stuff, wanna see this on KO at minimum..

thanks for bringing that up :)

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

48. Does she wear a lapel pin with the Alaskan state flag?

Rejecting the United States doesn't look too patriotic, does it?

[symbolman]

49. Oh, she has a US flag on her shoulder

so big that if she tripped the flagpole would go right through her neck.

Now THAT's Patriotism man.. except for her addressing the AIP and wishing them "LUCK".. was that "code"?

I think she's addressed a lot of groups, for votes. I wonder if she's actually BEEN a Member, anyone KNow?

[NewJeffCT]

50. Supposedly, some AIP members called her a "former member"

don't know if there is any official proof, though.

[symbolman]

59. Lemme tell you

that's my Bro-in-law talking, I wasn't kidding about that, and he'd go to his grave admitting she was a member if she was.. he's a Moral guy.. and stubborn :)

[demobabe]

76. Dexter Clark said Palin won Mayor and that she was their candidate

...And that she campaigned as a Republican so she could win. Similar to what Ron Paul is doing, running as a Republican when he is a Libertarian. Many of these AIP folks are Libertarians.

[MiniMe]

51. If she is successful, they can shoot all those damn polar bears and wolves

and drill where they want.

[NewJeffCT]

52. drill drill drill

that's the ticket.

[jonnyblitz]

58. Now THIS is something to be concerned about in regards to

Palin. Thanks for posting.

[NewJeffCT]

60. No problem

it's a bit more important than who really is the mother of the recent Palin baby

[Starry Messenger]

61. kick

[NewJeffCT]

71. another kick

thanks

[democrat2thecore]

82. And another kick - this is DAMNING -nt

[IDemo]

62. I'm just assuming Keith's crew is on top of all these gems

but if not, how does one forward a link to him?

[NewJeffCT]

63. I'd check the MSNBC/Countdown website

and, also Rachel Maddow on Air America

[IDemo]

65. Thanks, I'm not seeing a 'contact us' link there, unless I'm missing it

[NewJeffCT]

69. I didn't see one either - found other NBC "news" shows, but not countdown

weird.

[FatDave]

78. [e-mail]

Don't know one for Rachael's show yet.

[Alexander]

88. Sent.

[robertpaulsen]

64. AIP Vice Chairman Clark: "She was an AIP member before she got the job as mayor".

This could be bigger than the Bridge to Nowhere.

"I was for secession before I was against it".

:wow:

[NewJeffCT]

66. see above on that one

The guy saying that is DUer Symbolman's brother-in-law.

[robertpaulsen]

70. Holy shit indeed! Go Symbolman!

That is rich! I hope Countdown covers it soon and often! This could be the GOP's "God Damn America" moment. Although I think AIP would parse it "Goddamn America!"

[symbolman]

74. All I have to do is to be able to attend family reunions

but I'm seeing an "out" in Dexter's speech, as far as saying that Palin had moral or integrity problems..

He DID say that they should INFILTRATE OTHER Parties.. Republicans anyone? :)

I gotta get something going today and send it to KO and Rachel.. does she start her new show tomorrow?

We've got a SCOOP for her.. she can deliver the "death blow" (metaphorically speaking of course..)

Off to the Flash Work Room..

[NewJeffCT]

80. Maddow's show starts September 8

the week after the RNC.

[robertpaulsen]

97. Hmm...if he thinks Palin has moral or integrity problems...

Any chance he might give you written documentation that she was in fact a member before she became mayor?

Then again, maybe he is well aware that she is part of the "infiltration" and wants to keep mum on the subject until after November 4.

I can't wait to see what you put together on this!

[Coexist]

67. not very patriotic is she?

[NewJeffCT]

68. She's a Republican, though

All she has to do to prove her patriotism is to wear a flag pin. A US flag pin

[RamboLiberal]

72. Statement of the founder of AIP

"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." - Joe Vogler, founder of the Alaskan Independence Party

http://www.dailykos.com/

Sounds Rev Wright'ish to me.

[symbolman]

75. Joe was in the word they used "assassinated" I knew him

He was a nice man, had a real Statesman Feel to him.. a goldminer, and I mined gold there for two summers.. he was Torn from his bed, murdered and stuck in the cold ground for at least a year, no one knew where he was, it was frightening.

They got REALLY paranoid about everything, lemme tell ya.

I won't crap on Vogler, I'll quote him, but he was a good man, just wanted his own country, and up there, you can almost believe it could happen.

But NOT with someone like Palin at the helm, and if she WAS cheering these guys on, and I KNOW she was a member, if my bro-in-law says so then it's true, then she has NO BUSINESS as McCain's running mate. Like I believe you said,

"She was FOR Succession before she was Against it.." :)

Gonna use that in my video if folks don't mind, SO DAMNING..

[Douglas Carpenter]

73. these are the kind of stories that need attention -- not the nutty babygait stories

[NewJeffCT]

81. you're 100% right

does it really matter about the baby?

[Kerrytravelers]

77. I put all this up on the Randi Rhodes message board, in addition, I emailed it to her.

I think we should all email her so it will get their attention.

[NewJeffCT]

89. good idea

do you have a link?

[Kerrytravelers]

95. Here is my link.

http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?showtopic=7682&st=0&gopid=130919&#entry130919

[democrat2thecore]

79. THIS will do her in. What? 48 hours? KICK! This is HUGE! -nt

[Alexander]

83. K&R

[KingFlorez]

84. Oh, this is just too good

Where is her patriotism? And If she connected with people who think Alaska should be independent, why does she want to be VP?

[democrat2thecore]

85. How about THIS from their "FAQ"

Q: Would I lose my U.S. citizenship?

A: Depending on the form of independence, several forms of citizenship would be possible, including the retention of U.S. citizenship or dual citizenship. However, considering the moral, educational, and economic decay of the U.S., Alaskans' who hold themselves to a higher standard might very well decide to at least maintain an arm's length distance from a country in decline.

God Bless America, huh?

This is like the fringe separatists getting one of their own into the highest level of the "enemy" camp!

[grillo7]

86. Isn't that basically the definition of un-American?

We should be running with this instead of baby-gate and hope it sticks. Can you imagine if this had been Obama, by the way? The Repigs would bury us in how un-American and treasonous it was. At the very least it should makes her look pretty mentally unstable...

[NewJeffCT]

87. I know - this makes Rev. Wright look like a minor quibble

I personally could care less about babygate.

[polly7]

90. It makes sense ......

Alberta here has most of the oil drilled in Canada, they were all for separating at one time too. Many still are, some my own relatives among them. It's called "we keep ours and screw the rest of you". Palin is so big on oil and drilling, I can absolutely see her being a former member of this party.

[NewJeffCT]

91. good point

thanks for posting & welcome to DU

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

92. If she was a member, then this is the biggest scandal of all

I've looked at the website of the Alaskan Independence Party. These guys are really nuts. They consider the U.S. Constitution to be merely a treaty among 50 separate governments subject to being null and void if any member including the federal government violates that treaty. If Sarah Palin was or still is a member of this organization, then this more than anything else makes her seem very extremist and out of step with the rest of America. Her patriotism also has to be called into question.

[NewJeffCT]

96. see symbolman's posts above

he & demobabe know some AIP VIPs.

[RagAss]

93. It Must Be Covered By MSM - if true - It's Sedition, for God's Sake !!!

[nam78_two]

94. Oh dear

Nice find! This pick looks better and better (well if the Repukes lose that is..or else :scared:)-troopergate, horrible environmental record, ties to all manner of shady groups...

[grateful581]

101. wow

she hates America and this is proof. Hopefully other news outlets cover this.

[NewJeffCT]

102. I hope so as well

I'm not counting on it, but you never know.