Candidates' kids are OFF LIMITS

[shireen]

Say whatever you want about the candidates.

But leave the kids alone!

Palin's daughter, and for that matter, the entire Palin family, deserves our compassion and support. At this point, i don't care about the governor's politics. This is a very difficult and private family matter, so please just back off the personal attacks and focus on the issues.

Please.

[Bicoastal]

1. Yeah, tell that to Hillary Clinton.

[DeepModem Mom]

12. I wish families were off limits -- but what if Chelsea had gotten pregnant as a teen??? OMG! nt

[LisaL]

24. Exactly.

Who on here thinks republican would say "she should be off-limits, she is just a kid."
LOL.LOL.LOL.

[POAS]

25. Chelsea whose father is Janet Reno? That Chelsea?

Yea that works!

[Left Is Write]

45. Bingo!

McCain is the worst kind of hypocrite.

[trueblue2007]

2. I don't agree.

When a parent makes a stand and in their own lives, they are hypocritical, the truth needs to come out.

Are we all supposed to bury our heads in the sand? Bury the news? I don't agree with the original poster at all.

[Bicoastal]

9. Especially because the party of "family values" MAKES it our business!

Before today, the GOP was quite willing to sell Sarah as a good leader due to her "mothering" skillz--now they want us to back off? Hypocrisy!!

[proud2BlibKansan]

3. You don't care about her politics??

Then why are you posting on a POLITICAL board?

[Name removed]

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[proud2BlibKansan]

32. Oh the maturity police!

LOL

[AndreaCG]

4. Tell that to John McCain who called 12 year old Chelsea the "White House dog"

[lligrd]

26. Did He Really? nt

[yardwork]

50. No that was Rush. McCain said that Janet Reno was Chelsea's father.

[RayOfHope]

5. Yours is like the 20th post on this. No one is slamming the kids. n/t

[AZ Criminal JD]

40. You haven't read the posts. Even in this thread.

[RayOfHope]

43. HElp me out then--find a couple of posts where something negative is being said

about Bristol herself.

I see several people saying the kids aren't off limits, but I haven't seen any yet where Bristol is being directly attacked.

[POAS]

47. tic-tic-tic...still waiting? tic-tic-tic

Hope your not holding your breath!

[donco6]

6. No chance.

She helped create this hell we live in, where people's personal lives are scruitinized and judged. She can bloody well face it.

[high density]

7. Shows what kind of family the Palin family is

These people who are trying to force their heavenly values on the rest of us while their own kids can't even follow the mold get no pity from me.

[IndianaGreen]

8. McCain said that Chelsea Clinton was Janet Reno's kid

Shove your faux outrage up yours!

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

[onetwo]

10. If not for all of the rumor-mongering, we wouldn't have the gift we got this morning.

I think it's time to stop listening to the hand-wringers and "we're better than them"-ers.

[Joe the Revelator]

11. Not when the candidate's whole purpose of being on the ticket is to spread "family values"

Her ability to spread that ideal among her own brood is very very relevant.

[grantcart]

14. what is not off limits is the hypocrisy of the candidates

1) They moralize about family values and the immorality of the "urban family" and there is no difference.

2) She is against sex education in the school and yet refuses to arm her child with what she needs to survive in America as a teenager.

3) She is absolutely irresponsible as a mother by passing a few hundred hospitals in a high risk pregnancy to give birth in Alaska.


These are not rational people and with their connection with the AOG and the AIP without question the worst pick for Vice President in the history of the Republic.

[Warren Stupidity]

15. Actually no, This is an issue that goes right to the Core Republican Bullshit.

Abstinence misinformation, women's reproductive health care rights, 'we are the moral godly party', etc. They surround themselves, wrap themselves, in smug better than thou religious moral lone-upsmanship, with the clear message that the other party, that would be us, doesn't know how to raise our own kids, can't keep our peckers in our pants, and wants to hand out birth control to your teenagers, which of course leads directly to pregnancy.

Heck no. We have to be careful to not attack Bristol for what she has done, but we most surely have to attack Republicans for being hypocritical assholes, and this PR disaster is the opening we have been handed.

[4_Legs_Good]

16. No it's not

Palin and her cronies are the ones who want abstenance only sex education, and then her very own child proves it doesn't work?

This whole thing just highlights the failure of the Talibornagain policy. Sensible people have to stand up and say ENOUGH to the religious right.

I'm not dissing Palin's daughter, I'm dissing Palin's policies.

David

[951-Riverside]

17. POWs and Mothers of 5 should be OFF LIMITS too!

I don't care what the "issues" are, John McCain served his country and made great sacrifices and Palin is just a Mother of 5 trying to live the American dream so how DARE you continue to bash, trash and utterly destroy these great American heroes?



















:sarcasm:

Two can play this game :)

[yardwork]

52. All Republicans are off limits! I don't care what their politics are!

Just lay off the Republicans! They're having a hard time right now. Their convention got all interrupted and something.

[smoogatz]

18. Snrk.

Nice try. In fact, Sarah Palin has some serious questions to answer: where was she (and where were those conservative family values of hers) when her underage daughter was having sex out of wedlock and getting herself knocked up? If you're running as a Christian conservative hockey mom (and Palin is), then that's how the voters should judge you. In that regard alone--her alleged strong suit--Palin is a total failure.

[LisaL]

19. Really?

Since when?

[jazzjunkysue]

20. But her #1 job qualification is her parenting.....As long as my uterus is her business

Her uterus and her daughter's are mine.

When they stop moralizing, I will.

[kwolf68]

27. Haha..

Amen. Great response.

[kwolf68]

21. Kid is not being attacked

But rather the extreme viewpoint of her mother that put her into this very difficult position.

I feel VERY bad for the girl, because she was obviously poorly informed, poorly educated and as a result is having a baby.

This exposes the folly of abstinence only agendas.

[bunnies]

22. bullshit. Family values = teen pregnancy.

the hypocrisy is undeniable. Not to mention her willingness to expose her daughter to political scrutiny. I've refrained from this debate thus far... but THIS is too much.

[NJmaverick]

23. Correct, but what kind of mother runs for national office, knowing

it will bring all sorts of publicity to her pregnant unwed teenage daughter? I am more concerned about Mom's values, not Bristol's.

[IndianaGreen]

29. Edwards ran for Prez thinking he could keep his affair hidden. Palin runs for Veep doing same

mistake, that she can keep something hidden. They both lied!

[TeamJordan23]

28. But that does not mean the issue of Abstinence v. Contraceptive teaching should be disregarded

Apparently, Absitence teaching (which is what Palin wants to do) does not work.

[Bonobo]

30. Children's behavior reflects on their upbringing. Sorry. Next. nt

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

31. Then the candidates should not parade their wives, husbands, children, grandchildren

in front of American voters, exploiting them to get votes. I'm all for keeping every family member in the shadows and not using them. I think it's ridiculous in the United States how candidates want us to see what a fucking goody-two-shoes family they have, as if that even remotely qualifies them for office. American politics is all about getting voters to like you because of your dog, your cat, the cat's favorite mouse, the goody-goody family members, what their favorite color is, etc. I don't want to like my President. I want to be overwhelmed with the candidate's intellectual capacities and their stand on the issues (in my case, how progressive they are). I don't care about their private sexual life or their family life. But I say if a candidate gets his/her family involved in the campaign, then it's all fair game. It's all fair game. Why shouldn't it be? The Palin family doesn't deserve even an ounce of my compassion or support. I don't know them and I don't want to know them. But if they are there to pander for votes, and if they are being exploited by the candidate, then all's fair.

[RagAss]

33. yeh right...Hey everybody....hands off the Aristocrats !!!

[Libby2]

34. Her fucking mother should have thought about that

before she said, "I do."

[dailykoff]

35. Right, Palin deserves our support.

Fuck off clown.

[shireen]

36. that's it, then ... stoop down to their level.

It's very sad to see how DU has become a place with so many discompassionate callous people. You've whipped yourselves up into a fanatical frenzied political foam, and seem to be losing touch with your humanity. You've reduced this place, that used to be a forum for intelligent insightful discussions, to gossip central. Some of the critical posts about Palin have been good analysis about her issues and hypocrisy. But the majority of them are simply immature insensitive petty gossip.

[Vinca]

37. The issue should be the mother's judgement. Besides the flight

during labor issue, there is a having children and apparently not being aware of what they're doing issue. There should also be a discussion about Gov. Palin's belief about providing birth control to unmarried women. I'd bet anything she's an "abstinence only" kind of person. We should leave the daughter out of this. It's the mother's judgement in question.

[shireen]

41. i agree.

Palin's judgment is the main issue and she should be called out on it. But I've been bothered by many of the gloating callous comments that are just plain cruel. There must be some way to discuss these things while displaying a little humanity and consideration for what the family is going through, no matter how hypocritical and politically disagreeable they are.

As much as I don't like Palin and her issues, I still have sympathy for her and her family. Sorry, I can't help it.

[creeksneakers2]

38. Sarah Palin made this all public

All she had to do to knock down the rumors was produce a birth certificate. The Alaska papers asked her for one months ago.

[chascarrillo]

39. W. That is all.

[Carolina]

42. kids off limits? No more

Repukes were vicious in their comments about 13-year old Chelsea Clinton's looks in 1992.

Fuck 'the we're above that' shit. We are not calling Palin's daughter names; we are pointing out the hypocrisy of the adults around her! There is no such thing as a private family matter anymore when you enter politics. After all, it's the politics of personal destruction that the repukes crafted against Bill Clinton -- and continually used to their winning advantage in the echo chamber of cabal news and hate radio -- against all Dems.

You think if Obama had a 17 year old unwed, pregnant daughter, they wouldn't be all over it like flies on dog shit? They'd be calling her every type of imaginable stereotype and saying if he can't manage his household, how can he manage the nation...

Fuck 'em. Call 'em on their hypocrisy.

[Left Is Write]

44. No, the entire Palin family does NOT deserve our support. SARAH PALIN

thrust her own family into the spotlight by accepting McCain's offer to run for VP.

SHE is responsible for the spotlight on her own daughter. SHE did this to her daughter.

[Neshanic]

46. Really, becuase if you have kids, she wants to tell YOU what the gig will be if they are pregnant.

[TheDonkey]

48. I wonder if you were standing up for Michelle Obama during the rethug onslaught on her

[yardwork]

49. John McCain said that Chelsea Clinton was fathered by Janet Reno.

That kind of off limits?

[graywarrior]

51. Only dem's kids are not off limits. huh?

What goes around comes around. I wish I could be so fair and just, but this is war.

[seabeyond]

53. NO. this woman is running on "real mom". it is MOM's job to protect her children

she willingly and selfishly put HER need before her children. she fails on what she is running on. a parent.

and that is NOT about the children. that is ALL about the candidate

[EndElectoral]

54. I do care about the Gov.'s politics. This girl's pregnancy may be a direct reflection of that.

[Damian the LHP]

55. Your CONCERN is noted.

Now begone.

[shireen]

58. good idea

with the likes of you increasingly dominating DU, it's no longer a place for intelligent empathic discussion. The rabid foaming-at-the-mouth reactions displayed by many people is truly sad.

[loyalsister]

56. Absolutely

Has anyone thought through the unintended consequenses?

Say Obama gets elected. Don't forget there will be 4 years and another election where he has two kids in the WH.

Are the people here who have declared kids fair game going to change the rules?

[BlooInBloo]

57. Palin made "family values" an issue. It therefore deserves to be examined.

[still_one]

60. Absolutely. If palin was concerned about the spotlight, why did she accept to be mccain's VP /nt

[still_one]

59. This has nothing to do with their kids, it has EVERYTHING to do with positions on birth control

sex education, etc.

compassion my ass. They want to appoint judges that will take away the right of privacy between a woman and her doctor

They don't want equal pay for equal work

If she didn't want to be under the spotlight she should have never accepted to be mccain's VP

I am sick and tired of holier than thou attitudes, especially when dealing with this group of thugs and the last 8 years

[AuntPatsy]

61. Your talking about giving a free pass for a man, man mind you who

is running for a leader of this country who has had no trouble in the past of going after the children, Chelsea ring a bell? sorry, but they put it in play, its not my fault if they cannot handle the same...

[Wapsie B]

62. Yes, just like Chelsea Clinton.

And Obama's kids will be. :eyes:

[Bluenorthwest]

63. Crock of shite

Palin uses her family as props- they are all public figures. She opely opposes even the most basic rights for my family. I ask you this, OP, where the hell are you when the likes of McCain and Palin attack GLBT families? Where were you when McCain said Janet Reno was Chelsea's dad- also called her ugly, using the word ugly. Where in the name of all that is Demcoratic were you when Rush called Chelsea the family dog, on national TV? McCain is the Republican nominee, he attacked the child of our last President by name and in no uncertain terms. I see no one atttacking this poor besotted girl of Palin's. I see Palin running with a guy who attacked other kids though. Palin seems ok with that, does she not?
And you know what? Palin and her family deserve nothing from me but contempt and hard core opposition. And that is what they will get. Hypocrites and vipers.

[demobabe]

64. You can say that all you want, but people are not going to leave her alone

Sarah Palin should have considered her family before running for public office. She is putting her own aspirations and wants ahead of her family's best interest. Greed. There is NO WAY people are NOT going to talk about the pregnant 17 year old daughter of a woman who is against Sex Ed, birth control, and abortions. This woman is a dangerous Fundie, and she will take away your rights if you give her the chance. Don't cry to me when the snake bites you after you've helped it heal.

[kestrel91316]

65. Attacks on parents for their failures when they campaign on their

allegedly pristeen, superior parenting skills are fair game.

The ruckus is now all about Palin's abject failure to give her daughter the necessary skills (solely the parents' duty according to her worldview) to avoid out-of-wedlock or even in-wedlock pregnancy. She failed at the abstinence teaching thing.

FAIR GAME.