I really don't think Palin can survive this.

[cali]

The McCain camp will try and tough it out, but if the ticket keeps sinking in the polls or if it's just a constant barrage of bad news for Palin, he'll bail on her.

He'll pick Pawlenty if that happens. And I believe it will.

[TwilightGardener]

1. I hope she survives it JUST long enough so that it's too late to replace her.

[cali]

it doesn't matter. it will simply showcase McPain's appalling lack of judgement.

he'll never survive that.

[NotThisTime]

6. We think alike in this regard - oh please let her survive a month LOL....

[NEDem]

36. She only needs to survive a couple more days

Once it is official I think it's pretty hard to replace the VP candidate. But then again they've never been one to abide by the rules.

[Bonobo]

2. B, bail on his "soulmate"?

Never!

[skooooo]

11. rofl.....

Didn't take him long to figure out she was his "soulmate!" Why didn't they get married???

:rofl:

[TwilightGardener]

15. Yeah, that "soulmate" thing was just...creepy.

edit to add: I guess Cindy was just his hawt sugar mama, it's Miss Alaska that he truly loves.

[skooooo]

26. Maybe Sarah, Todd, and John can have a 3-some? nt

[toadzilla]

3. when was the last time a presidential candidate changed his mind about the VP?

after announcing?

[Drunken Irishman]

4. McGovern?

[TwilightZone]

5. McGovern, 1972.

[RollWithIt]

27. 72.... Tom Eagleton

McGovern didn't vet him properly. He was gone in about a week or so.

[SoxFan]

38. 1972, Tom Eagleton

Eagleton had undergone electroconvulsive therapy for depression. This was missed during the vetting process, and he was pushed off the ticket a week or two after the convention.

The Democratic National Committee met to approve the nomination of Sargent Shriver as McGovern's replacement running mate.

[book_worm]

44. McGovern--only time.

[Tarheel_Dem]

7. I worry that the media circus may actually harm the daughter. If I were

Gov. Palin, I think I would withdraw for the sake of my family. I do agree that the GOP may find a reason the yank her from the ticket.

[RollWithIt]

28. That's the sick part, she brought this on herself... they hid it... McCain didn't know

Remember the post in this forum of the woman from the same town saying everyone knows that girl is Pregnant? It was true.

[Tarheel_Dem]

33. That's the danger of small town living, EVERYONE knows everybody's

business. For me, it's not the fact that she's pregnant...I mean it happens in lots of families, even my own. But this girl didn't stand a chance. Even if the family doesn't subscribe to prescription birth control, shouldn't she have been told about other forms of birth control, besides abstinence. I feel this girl's choices were very limited, and I partly blame her parents for her predicament.

I swear, whatever bandwagon the Republicans are on this week, you can rest assured they're doing the very thing they're telling us not to do.

[qwlauren35]

45. PREDICAMENT???? Maybe she WANTED to get pregnant!!!!!

Not sure why it is that no one considers this as a possibility. Lots of teenaged girls get pregnant on purpose. And for an amazing variety of reasons:
1.) to hold on to a guy
2.) to hold onto a guy's wallet
2.) to have their own baby to love
3.) to get attention
4.) to avoid school and/or college
5.) to avoid career expectations of pushy parents
6.) overt mistake/subconscious desire
7.) as a sign of their pending adulthood

Those are just the ones that come to mind off the top of my head. I'm surprised that anyone would even remotely suggest that Crystal might want an abortion when it isn't even clear that this was 100% accidental!!!!! And certainly no one has suggested that it's unwanted or unwelcome.

Remember, there's not all that much to do in Alaska when it gets cold.

[Window]

32. I agree the sensible thing would be for her to withdraw for the sake of her family.

She should not have lied from the beginning to the people she governs nor the American public, and McWar is just stupid for not vetting her properly.

The repubs can cry fowl and "mean old Democrats" all they want, but it did not originate on DU. The fault is all theirs and whatever the fallout, it's nothing less than they deserve.

The daughter is the only person I feel bad for in this entire mess.

Peace

[Tarheel_Dem]

35. You got that right. Andrea Mitchell is reporting that a team of lawyers

has descended on Alaska for deeper vetting. WTF? This goes straight to the argument that Obama's been making for months now, John McCain's judgement is sorely lacking. This was an impulsive & cynical pick, motivated purely by politics.

[MissDeeds]

47. This whole thing is a mess for the GOP

If she withdraws, it looks like the McCain team made a bad choice and didn't fully vet the candidate, which of course speaks to the issue of poor judgment. If she stays in, she runs the risk of sinking the ticket. Either way, they're screwed.

I do feel sorry for the pregnant teen who is being thrown into the middle of this, though.

:popcorn:

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

8. Then he's lost. After being teased with Failin, the fundies will be pissed and will abandon ship.

[terrya]

9. You're right.

This stuff coming out now about her apparent ties to the Alaska Independence Party will be the final straw.

Look at the stuff coming out about her in just 3 days.

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[Quixote1818]

12. If he does that he will enrage the Religious Right.

Either way he is fucked.

[Gabi Hayes]

13. how can he dump her, though, because is plays directly into Obama's hands:

experience does NOT equal judgment

either way, I think---hope---they're, uh, screwed

if he keeps her on, all the other myriad stories are coming out

wolf is asking Dana Bash, as I type, about 'troopergate,' following her interview with an Alaska delegate who says the story will HELP her, that eighty percent of americans will "LOVE THE GAL" when they hear this wonderful story!

[gristy]

14. She can't and she won't survive

Troopergate and all the underhanded dealing and nefarious associations will be an ongoing problem for McCain. He will have to jettison the pod.

[AlCzervik]

16. i think that as well, it's gotten way too big now, no pun intended.

[C_U_L8R]

17. Forget about Palin...I don't think McCAin can survive this

His campaign has turned into a joke at his mismanagement.
If I were a republican, I'd want a refund.

[flamingdem]

18. FYI: Bristol is a "Libra" according to her myspace = 16 years old

now since Libra runs September 23-October 22.

Another lie by Palin & Co.

[eleny]

19. I believed that yesterday and even more so today

Fingers crossed - at this point for the nation itself. This is really horrible, cali.

[flamingdem]

20. FYI: Bristol is a "Libra" according to her myspace = 16 years old

now since Libra runs September 23-October 22.

Another lie by Palin & Co.

[flamingdem]

21. FYI: Bristol is a "Libra" according to her myspace = 16 years old

now since Libra runs September 23-October 22.

Another lie by Palin & Co.

[npincus]

is she supposed to be 17 turning 18?

Has Palin said she's 17? I've seen both 16 & 17 in captions... and she can't be both!

[RollWithIt]

29. They said she was 17.... she's actually 16

Amazing huh? She doesn't turn 17 until at least a few weeks.

[Auggie]

22. It's plausible she'll "resign" due to "family matters."

It won't be voluntary either

[Honeycombe8]

23. I think you're wrong, but I HOPE you're right. nt

[seabeyond]

24. the repugs tried to put on brave face but they are tired. tired of having to justify

excuse and weather all the deceit and lies and corruptions and this is more of the same.

[Peachhead22]

25. He'll pick Lieberman

As Bill Cosby would say "The Palin pick was dumb, but not so dumb."

McCain wanted Lieberman all along but his advisers said "No, the evangelicals would bail." Now if he dumps Palin he can say to his advisers and evangelicals "I tried it your way but 'those nasty libruls' tore her apart."

He then goes for Lieberman and the evangelicals stay energized anyways just to spite our side. Ater all, we were the folks that used "dirty tactics" (at least in their eyes) against their lady.

Then we go on to still kick McSame's and Droopy Dog's ass like a rented mule. :)

[VAliberal]

34. I suspect you have called it

It would be nice though, if McCain & Co. tried to tough out Palin. His campaign would slow mo into a vortex of damage control and more of the insane spin that has been seen over the last 72 hours.

[EC]

30. No he'll pick Jendal (sp) because of the good job he did

during this crisis....

[H2O Man]

31. It's certainly possible.

I would not be surprised.

[KoKo]

46. That CNN has been crawling all over this in their two time slots says

that the "Powers that Be" are definitely going to try to ditch Palin.

I thought Obama's response about being the mother of a teen was very good. But, I was disappointed that Obama told the Lefty Bloggers to shut up and not get money to run ads against the Repugs like the Repug/527's and SwiftBoaters ran against US on the Dem side in '04.

I guess you might think that Obama is giving a "below the belt Okay" to Kos and DU and other blogs to do the dirty work...but, he doesn't want to have his "own hands dirtied by it all."

It's an interesting tactic. It definitely could win him the election.

[Bullet1987]

37. It's a Catch 22...he should have never picked her from the beginning

Even if he changes VPs...it still looks bad on him.

[Jade Fox]

39. Once "Troopergate" and the "Bridge to Nowhere" lie get widely known....

it think it will be all over.

Fer Christ's sake, the woman lied in her very first speech!!

[FVZA_Colonel]

54. Not to mention she was once a SECESSIONIST!!!

I know she'll say "but I don't agree with that now," but still... how can we trust her to put the interests of the United States of America at heart? The Alaska Independence Party membership will kill her for sure.

[Rectangle]

40. I hope she can survive long enough

for Tina Fey to do a SNL skit on her!

[Phx_Dem]

41. I'm not sure not surviving is a good thing.

She's damaged goods. On the other hand, having to replace your VP candidate shortly after choosing them, shows McCain's extremely poor and rash judgement.

[trashcanistanista]

42. Surviving is good thing for Democrats. We need her

in the Oct 4 debates. After that she can be kicked under the oil rig as far as I'm concerned. I can't hink of anyone else who is easier to beat to be put in her place except maybe Kathryn Harris.

[Skittles]

43. a DEMOCRAT could not survive this

repukes, well, they not only make excuses, the MSM is happy to make excuses for them

[nam78_two]

48. Either way I doubt it will help him

He is going to look like the absolute moron he is if that happens...

[Major Hogwash]

49. Bullshit, she has a lawyer now. She's the one he picked, he has to stick with it.

Or else NO ONE would vote for him.

She's in it for the next 64 days, bub.
Get used to it.
She's here for the duration.

[cali]

50. bullshit, mr. hogwash.

think Eagleton. Learn a little history, hog.

[Major Hogwash]

52. Nope. It's in the rulez, he has to stay with his first pick.

I know all about Eagleton, my dear cali.

That was then, this is now!!

[L. Coyote]

51. I don't think McCain can survive this.

[libodem]

53. Why doesn't she get her ass home

and raise her children?

[AtomicKitten]

55. It's fun watching their surrogates spin this on TV.

Today they were playing the VICTIM card, taking umbrage at the suggestion Miss Frozen Tundra isn't qualified. Sexism! I swear they continue to try to run Hillary's campaign knowing that tactic didn't work before. I do believe they are completely and utterly out of ideas.